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yuhhaur
post Aug 14 2012, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 14 2012, 03:16 PM)
sorry la for show and black kaler only. (thats what i ask the bank girl about the difference of plat and gold, she said only kaler difference lol)

if i rich i also wont be in negative finance with zero savings la  doh.gif
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Coincidentally, my gold card credit limit is more than the combined limit of the 3 blacks doh.gif
Still manage to stay afloat after the car and housing loan.

ONTOPIC:
Botter only bot about gold? any way botter will bot about gooding equipment? hmm.gif

Well that explains why there are market for equipment selling for more than 50mil. Too bad the D3 economy won't collapse until the game dies out.

OFFTOPIC: Watch out for the local property market, there's lots of rumors saying that it will collapse. Somehow I relate them to the D3 economy.


Added on August 14, 2012, 3:38 pmNever use any VISA on anything but the game title itself. Even with the involvement of RMAH, I still restrict that to at most one way (cash) out.

whoops, today sell another 30pcs of ToSecret for USD6.37 nett, can buy more gold to buy better weapon tongue.gif


This post has been edited by yuhhaur: Aug 14 2012, 03:38 PM
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post Aug 14 2012, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Aug 14 2012, 03:33 PM)
OFFTOPIC:
Coincidentally, my gold card credit limit is more than the combined limit of the 3 blacks doh.gif
Still manage to stay afloat after the car and housing loan.

ONTOPIC:
Botter only bot about gold? any way botter will bot about gooding equipment? hmm.gif

Well that explains why there are market for equipment selling for more than 50mil. Too bad the D3 economy won't collapse until the game dies out.

OFFTOPIC: Watch out for the local property market, there's lots of rumors saying that it will collapse. Somehow I relate them to the D3 economy.


Added on August 14, 2012, 3:38 pmNever use any VISA on anything but the game title itself. Even with the involvement of RMAH, I still restrict that to at most one way (cash) out.

whoops, today sell another 30pcs of ToSecret for USD6.37 nett, can buy more gold to buy better weapon tongue.gif
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OFFTOPIC: Watch out for the local property market, there's lots of rumors saying that it will collapse. Somehow I relate them to the D3 economy.

Not trying to agitate you Summerfist but thats what I call herd mentality... of course the property market is softning ..but property "Investment" all depends on

Location, location..location. smile.gif If buying for stay..I would tell people to buy now...rather to wait and take the risk of a bublle burst. If the burst dont come..owning a house may be paid over 2 generations next time...smile.gif
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post Aug 14 2012, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Aug 14 2012, 03:29 PM)
I use VISA to buy D3 gold.
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and i thought blizz takes a cut in that too? i mean, people are crying about how blizz earns money with the RMAH and all so...

or i suppose you bought gold from blackmarket and not from RMAH?
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post Aug 14 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 14 2012, 03:43 PM)
and i thought blizz takes a cut in that too? i mean, people are crying about how blizz earns money with the RMAH and all so...

or i suppose you bought gold from blackmarket and not from RMAH?
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Yes, I bought gold from black market, way before they set up of RMAH for gold trading.
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post Aug 14 2012, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Aug 14 2012, 03:33 PM)
OFFTOPIC:
Coincidentally, my gold card credit limit is more than the combined limit of the 3 blacks doh.gif
Still manage to stay afloat after the car and housing loan.
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lol same here, my gold card can swipe a sports bike off but my blacks can barely swipe a latest/high end 46" tv XD

pretty sure the banks just want to bankrupt my ass so i can live a forever suffering life (assuming i dont kill myself if it does happen)
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Aug 14 2012, 03:47 PM)
Yes, I bought gold from black market, way before they set up of RMAH for gold trading.
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So that's where the source of supply your great barbarian gear was?
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post Aug 14 2012, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Aug 14 2012, 03:48 PM)
So that's where the source of supply your great barbarian gear was?
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Yes, that's the source of gold supply.
Well, as I said, I can't go on farming for gold for hours.
I need to spend time on family, work and other activities.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Aug 14 2012, 03:41 PM)
OFFTOPIC: Watch out for the local property market, there's lots of rumors saying that it will collapse. Somehow I relate them to the D3 economy.

Not trying to agitate you Summerfist but thats what I call herd mentality... of course the property market is softning ..but property "Investment"  all depends on

Location, location..location. smile.gif If buying for stay..I would tell people to buy now...rather to wait and take the risk of a bublle burst. If the burst dont come..owning a house may be paid over 2 generations next time...smile.gif
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Well, I just met with 2 separate bankers both tell me the same thing: they are now very precautions to giving out loan. And I saw more and more "FOR SALE" sign up. This indicated that there are more seller than buyer within the agreed pricing. Not a good sign.
Much like the current GAH market. those 1H 1k dps are on sale at a few hundreds millions but I doubt there will be buyer.
Average gamer without botting farm 100mil gold? LoL. By the time I farmed 100mil most likely I will be bored out to even want to buy that skyhigh pricing weapon.

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Aug 14 2012, 03:59 PM)
Average gamer without botting farm 100mil gold? LoL. By the time I farmed 100mil most likely I will be bored out to even want to buy that skyhigh pricing weapon.
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or, it actually drops for you and you dont even have to buy anymore.

i never RMAH (not even sell to lolearnusdbebusinessman), no swipe card nothing, no bot too obviously.
yet i am sporting the gear i am wearing now.

granted, i played (past tense, they all quit now lol) with friends and coop only, and we exchange gear without questions. gearing each other up fairly fast compared to most. so... yea.
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Agreed. There are more personal achievement when THAT gear drops infront of you - priceless.

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post Aug 14 2012, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Aug 14 2012, 02:10 PM)
lansi ppl also must lansi got standard, no standard lan your own si and sau pei

just sayin
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Even you dont agree with me in some terms.

but i like this sentence. +1 for BEE.

Remind me of Hedge Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight.
"Let me show you an good example of villain."
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 14 2012, 04:11 PM)
Remind me of Hedge Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight.
"Let me show you an good example of villain."
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I don't think he said that unsure.gif
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post Aug 14 2012, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 14 2012, 04:11 PM)
Remind me of Hedge Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight.
"Let me show you an good example of villain."
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you said that you do not confuse yourself between reality and fantasy:
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My real world do not merging the virtual. I just PLAY my game in virtual world. I think you need to see doctor, if you can no longer differential between REAL/Virtual World. For the earning cash part, i am a web designer. i always design virtual product and selling of for real money. For some in-game item, that just a small bonus for my tea time..... I never wanted it become a big part of my real world. Wake UP BRO...


however it seems like you're confused between a fictional movie and reality.

last i remembered, being a villain is bad.
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post Aug 14 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(awyongcarl @ Aug 14 2012, 03:08 PM)
Oh god, my sides.
This is probably the best 'bot' related joke I've read in my entire life.
10/10 will definitely read again.

Just when you thought closet-botter is bad enough, now we have botter that are openly trying to justify botting is completely legal. And what's even better, botter derogatorizing genuine player who worked hard for their achievements.

And your theory/conclusion of "automation" is retarded, yes I am saying that to your face and I meant it. Try and think again about it, from the ground. (Then again, expecting someone who is trying to legalized the iilegal to think. Har har har.)
I can prove it to you why it's retarded.

For instance:
just like in this industry, so many automation production, of coz there are still have some hand made product which are costly, and take longer duration to produce compare to automation.
"Like in this industry" Tell me just what industry you are talking about here.
Just pointing it out, what you are saying is, say a Ferrari that are being handcrafted and a Toyota and are assembled mostly by automation processis the same end product.
Are they really the same products with similar quality? NO.

Now tell me how exactly did you came to think that it's wise to compare that in Diablo 3, where items are digitally and randomly generated?

hand made = if no bot in Diablo 3, do you think the those high end weapon/item will sell in current price? The price will be multiple few times for the current price
Let's set up a hypothesis here and it's pretty much self-explanatory. (If you are a 'businessman', anyway)

Hypothesis 1
H1: Market price of equipment will be expensive with massive amounts of botters
H0: Market price of equipment will not be expensive with massive amounts of botters

Anyone can tell you that H0 will be the correct one, it doesn't even require one to think. (Which in this case, your point of argument)
However..If we take botting out of the picture:

Hypothesis 2
H1: Market price of equipment will not be as expensive and instead, will follow what genuine player's capability of earning gold legally
H0: Market price of equipment will be as expensive, and will not follow what genuine player's capability of earning gold legally

Now tell me again, which one is the correct one? Does it make any sense to you? It's no rocket science.
Your argument is flawed, if you have not noticed that yet then please for pete's sake, I hope you do now.

Of course, I acknowledge that in a gaming environment, cheating cannot be avoided. But that does not grants you the privilege to justify the wrong and attempts to make it 'sounds' right. What makes you think that just because YOU, a single individual treating the game as a "part-time business" grants you the right to do the illegal?
YOU are still violating the rules, business or not. Let's not forget you are part of the cancer that is killing the gaming industry.

PS: All these craps kind of reminds me why I'm reluctant playing in a English community so much.
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I am not trying to force every ppl here to accept my point of view, i am doing business here, and i put my effort to build the bot which is no harm to their(blizzard) hardware or software. Blizzard can sue me because i build a bot and bot in the game? they can just ban me by their(blizzard) rules only, so for me bot is legal in business view, if i got sue and will be jail or penalty, then i am doing illegal stuff.

Are they really the same products with similar quality? NO.
what make you think that it is a NO?? almost everything you using now is produce from automation company, and this is how some of the hand made product stop produce, why they stop produce? coz their can't fight with the price, and some of the quality is even better and cheaper than hand made coz they produce large amount.

In diablo item, all stats are randomly generated, so botting is making higher opportunity of crazy stats item exist (this is how Athene can beat inferno diablo with eyes close!), when the crazy state item exist, the middle high end item price will drop. I know the ratio of gold price will be huge different, but if you willing to spent USD1, u know how much u can get rite? as i said this is a business more than a game, you pay for it, u get it.

some how, our point of view is different, for me, any game with real money transaction is a business, as long as i am not breaking the business law I will do it, and Diablo 2 is a true game. smile.gif

This post has been edited by davve: Aug 14 2012, 04:34 PM
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post Aug 14 2012, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(davve @ Aug 14 2012, 04:31 PM)
I am not trying to force every ppl here to accept my point of view, i am doing business here, and i put my effort to build the bot which is no harm to their(blizzard) hardware or software. Blizzard can sue me because i build a bot and bot in the game? they can just ban me by their(blizzard) rules only, so for me bot is legal in business view, if i got sue and will be jail or penalty, then i am doing illegal stuff.
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do you care to give me your IRL personal details/email so i can mail to blizzard and see if they take any legal action or not? dont worry i am a weak normal guy IRL that gets robbed and threatened (by thugs) so i wouldn't/can't possibly physically harm you in anyway. we can also sign a contract that in anyway i sell out your information, you are free to sue me for legal damages smile.gif

i am merely curious on how far their legal extent can go. chances are nothing will happen to you since you're a no name in Malaysia (very far from USA!) right?
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QUOTE(davve @ Aug 14 2012, 04:31 PM)
I am not trying to force every ppl here to accept my point of view, i am doing business here, and i put my effort to build the bot which is no harm to their(blizzard) hardware or software. Blizzard can sue me because i build a bot and bot in the game? they can just ban me by their(blizzard) rules only, so for me bot is legal in business view, if i got sue and will be jail or penalty, then i am doing illegal stuff.
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Actually, they can sue you. You agreed NOT to bot when you read the ToA. You violated the ToA. Hence, you can be sued. Blizzard has gone after quite a few establishments that were making money by programming and selling bots, and has managed to get injunctions against them.

The only reason they aren't coming after you is because you're a small fry, and they wouldn't get anything even if they bankrupt you.

So hay hay! What you're doing is not legal! Be a man, keep your word and delete your bots.
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Aug 14 2012, 04:11 PM)
Even you dont agree with me in some terms.

but i like this sentence. +1 for BEE.

Remind me of Hedge Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight.
"Let me show you an good example of villain."
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Actually...

The Joker: "I'm only burning my half. All you care about is money. This town deserves a better class of criminal. And I'm gonna give it to them! "


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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Aug 14 2012, 04:55 PM)
Actually...

The Joker: "I'm only burning my half. All you care about is money. This town deserves a better class of criminal. And I'm gonna give it to them! "
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and he dares mentioning the joker quote, eh?
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Joker also mentioned: "why so serious?" whistling.gif

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