This guy opened a thread few days ago in Garage Sale,selling SONY PSP STANDARD PACK with the starting bid of RM400 with the ending bid on 29th January 2006 12PM

I bidded the highest which is RM560.

As time flew pass 12PM today,I noticed him that he was online 2 times after 12pm.I did PM him twice reminding him that the bid is over and shall eligible for the purchase.But to no avail,he's not even replying me back.

Below is the PM he sent to me :


Re:PSP, Today, 04:39 PM
sorry..forgot to tell u someone already offer me rm600 yesterday...forgot to update the thread....really2 sorry


I'm pissed off with his statement and this wholly proves that he purposely ignore me and waiting for higher offer as the bid should be ended at 12PM.If he forgot,he should reply me as I already PM him TWICE.

Below picture shows that I'm still the leading bidder.
I was unable to trace back the link as it was deleted too quickly just after he closed the topic.EDITED**** Found the link ~

Therefore,what I want to convey is that,palette doesn't uphold his promise especially for the bidders.

If he can't do that,I recommend he don't try to "play" with the thing of BIDDING ~

Just hope you guys becareful of him.He may not be a conman,but the way he deal with this matter simply makes him such as pathetic in business arena.Take note guys!

This post has been edited by larkowen: Jan 29 2006, 07:34 PM


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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=244984&hl=

Is this the link you are talking about?

Yups...That's right...Thanks ya!

"thread close......sold to one of the forummer rm630.."

See! That time he told me reserved for RM600 ~

Then say sold for RM630

Lol...Setting a dateline for bidding and at the end didn't honour it..

Do kindly drop palette a PM to inform him about this thread so that he can come forth and explain ... It's unfair for him if he do not know about the existence of this topic referring to him ...

Ok..Thanks...Will do it right now..

Before that I have PM-ed him that I'll make a complaint against him but turned to deaf ear instead..

Will PM him now.

Dear Moderator,I don't think he's interested to clarify here because :

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I observed his online duration time..He online since about 10pm ++ till 1am++

That's all I can report.So,is up to you guys how you want to judge him la.

Ignorant is annoying & pityful

Do allow him some time to give a reply here.
A grace period of 1 week is usually given unless the cases are very serious like involving huge amounts of fraud.

True...
Although this case is not serious,I just hope people will be more cautious when bidding on something.Is something same like those FFK-ers at the end.

Thank You ~

Yeah.
And speaking of letting other forumers be more cautious of the person you are reporting, you already have done a good job by posting this thread here.
A lot of traders check the Trade-Dispute section from time-to-time to see what is going on. So a lot already have been extra-cautious.

sorry no comment........i already said that i forgot to update the thread ...someone offer me the higher than him.......that all....

That somebody is who?
Give some prove plz thanks.

sorry...confidential..hehe....anyway really2 sorry..

Nice answer, since he is already winning bidder, why hide?

A simple excuse such as "Ohh..I forgot update the thread...",acceptable?

You guys judge loh..

Somemore I observed his online time too and reminded him twice.

So,I believe the buyer offered higher price after the end of bidding time.

Simple to say : What the hell he put the end of bidding date for?

I lost nothing but my precious time.And is worth to lodge this complaint.Wrong is wrong...Apologising is another matter.

If that's the way you do business,you make more foe than business partners.

yalor why hide,
aihhh palette as a responsible lyn member you should have take the efford to update ppl. put yourself in larkowen's place. what would u felt?

so nice to ffk ppl?
next time in future sure got ppl ffk u.

i do hope the winner has paid u, if he/she ffk u.....

Buying stuff also need to be so secret???

war...really simple...lidat oni



y dun u discloz ur buyer?
i dun c any gud reason y u must hide it from us...

sounds fishy...

Whatever la...I also lazy want to pursue this matter any further.Just want to let you all know.So up to the mod whether to give him warning or anything la.

I finished my part as a responsible LYN-tians ~

Thanks for informing us.

wow.. what's wrong with this? did the buyer promise in black & white that he will sell it to the higher's bidder?

is there any legal contract formed bnetween you and the seller?

no rite. so it's both parties fault. one for being ignorant about malaysian trade law. another for being not professional and has no ethic in trading

The seller did mentioned that the highest bidder will get the item by the time when it reached the final date. Thats the way of the bid.

If not, why dont he just changed it to normal trading way ?

This is just because of the seller.
For the seller for being not professional and irresponsible.
I once faced this also, but what can i do ?
I can't do anything also since the item is sold.

This post has been edited by LittleLinnet: Feb 3 2006, 01:34 PM

What are you trying to express here?

Perhaps your statement encourage people to FFK or maybe CONS as much as possible especially in internet trade.

Legal contract?
I guess everyone dealing in bulk and garage section should make legal contract if everyone listens to you.Then the TRADE ZONE DISPUTE RESOLUTION CORNER shouldn't be here anymore.

I don't think is my fault at all because I'm the leading bidder.

Anyway,no use I explain all again to you if you keep saying "Ya...Malaysian Trade Law...bla bla...legal contract....black and white..this and that statement...sue you sue me...fair not fair...whose fault"

Then you should post the very same statement at all complaint threads here in this sub-forum.


Finally,your statement doesn't even help at all.Well done ~

as far as i know palette is a good lyn member la... but oso have to face it lowh palette tat when ur putting ur stuff for bid or auction and ppl won it at a low price, u have to sell it too..

@larkowen wut time u place ur last bid..?

This post has been edited by StratOS: Feb 3 2006, 10:38 PM

well, 1st of all, LYN isn't a trading forum or site or whatever

the mods are there on ly to help

and the threadstarter is just yepping around, like some kids comlianing to their mama, except in this case, the mods aren't the mama

nobody was harmed in this case rite? so, no biggie

and i do not encourage ppl to FFK or what, but if u dun have a legal written contract, then nothing can be said. bring it to court, the supreme court if u wish, nobody can help. juat live with it. that's what i'm pointing out


the trade dispute zone is more like if money has been involved, where payment has been made, and item has not been received or not in the agreed condition, ie rosak punya item

If I'm not mistaken,I placed the bid last two days before the bid ended.


I admit this is no biggie thing la but at least I want let people know the nature of the seller ma.From his reply,you know that he's not serious about apologising.The way he apologised is just like a No Big Deal matter.Please la,show some respect and sincerety.

That's why I say up to you all to judge him.What I know is he FFK and he did it.

In other words : He's unethical

That's all...I didn't made up any extra stories.If mod consider this is small matter,they may close it.Is great to prevent something then letting myself to lose my real valuables.That time is too late for me to complain,right?

Then,I just let mod to close/delete this thread la.

And I'm not trying to impersonate a kid that is trying to complain to mama.Before something worst happen,I just explained what happened only.

If not afford to put something on bidding system,don't SIMPLY do it.Hate people trying to exploit/manipulate this forum's weaknesses.

aiyah.. still not settle ar???...

I think what threadstarter did is correct, he was just trying to let us know about that seller's irresponsible behaviour so we can becareful next time..

thanks for informing us about this unethical seller but i guess you'll have to live with that ..

Sure I'm living with that

Glad I got a better offer than him

palette, you are not following your principle of selling item. What does auction means?? Very simple, someone bidded on that particular price till the dateline is the winner. It doesnt matter someone offer you RM 630!!! as its not valid in the auction thread.

If you unable to get that guy to post in the auction thread, that he is bidding at RM 630 before dateline, NEXT TIME DON'T ever come to LYN to do trading since you dont have word of honour.... Cause saying excuse of forgot updating your thread is bunch bullSHIT! Is common sense, you want to sell something urgently, you want money, you got to be watching the thread to get update of the price can be sold.....

Lame EXCUSE!

nice one....fully agreed

yeah forgot i also wanna add he still have headpiece pmed,called its oredi a while but at least he could appologise or watever,...

Oh yeah in this thread starter case,..IMHO ur word as good as black and white here!!If u dont u just dont have sales ethics just my 2cents

hmm i have been having same probs trading in lyn, and it turns me to be more cautious. there is a lot of FFKers in lyn and what i recommend is to make ur personal list and try not to deal with them ever again.

@larkowen - i know how u feel about this , but from the past experience trading in lyn u should already know that any transaction in lyn forum the seller has full power. if he ffk u then u have nothing to do except 4 wat u did now. unless if u trade in lelong u can already post some bad feedback to the seller.

Yeah...I know..I just wanna "teach" the seller ma..

You can't afford to lose anything in the bidding system,don't make it.

The way he managed the bidding is just like playing with the sand.

That's why I want remind all members to becareful in this matter now or in future.

Prevent is better than cure.I'm not seeking any damages funds or compensation from the seller.

JUST WANT TO REMIND MA..SIMPLE AS THAT

Thanks anyway for those understand this situation

Wish to make this "trading" forum more safe and reliable

Yup, or at least show us the PM that some body else who bid it the highest before the auction deadline.

@lucifah, the threadstarted doesnt mean he wants anything to do with the seller, I think he is here to inform us, that's all. There is no need to drag in supreme/federal courts or whatever legal involvements in here. The seller did owe him an apology after all.

FOR ME!!!

"PALETTE" BLACKLISTED................................. OBVIOUSLY

According to mods, FFKers can be put into Minor Offender list.
Me even created a thread asking about FFKers.

@deathwing : noted

@threadstarter: yeah, i got mizunderstood abit. neway, next time just plz be more cautious. it saddens me when someone got ffk by a seller. worse still if someone got conned of money. haih~

Update: Palette added to M.O. list.

Reasons can be found on the link below.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=5920428

Dear mod,so I can close this thread?

LOL

put for bid but end up sell to higher offer..

totally irresponsible n the excuse given is another great thing

Topic closed.

You are incorrect. An oral contract is as enforceable as a written contract. And in this case, the contract was in the auction. It is a very legitimate contract which the seller broke and the buyer has every right to feel aggrieved. If you don't know anything about Malaysian trade law yourself (or the law of contracts) don't mislead the general public.

There is no supreme court' in Malaysia. Legally speaking, the buyer may sue the seller here for breach of contract, but of course, thats another story for another day. I just wanted to correct your wrong statements so sellers here know their responsibilities.