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 Fixed Deposit Rates in Malaysia V3, Read 1st post to find highest rate.

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aeiou228
post Nov 3 2012, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Nov 2 2012, 11:48 PM)
Aiyo.. one can go crazy trying to manage all these certificates.  rclxub.gif

Try different TIME of entry lah.. put one FD on 1st month, and skip to month 2, month 4.. etc.
Then try to take out the one has matured or closest to maturity first.

Also, plan for some emergency money in savings account. At least FD interest can be protected..
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 3 2012, 10:39 AM)
Wah lau if all split like that.. mah many many FD accounts? For me i split into batches of 10K, 25k and 50k..no need so many FD accounts. laugh.gif
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I think my post not clearly illustrated and created misunderstanding if not reading it properly.

Depositor A with 10K FD in one account : split to 1k+2K+3K+4K total 4 receipts only
Depositor B with 20K FD in one account : split to 1K+2K+3K+4K+10K total 5 receipts only
Depositor C with 30K FD in one account : split to 1K+2K+3K+4K+10K+10K total 6 receipts only
Depositor D with 40K FD in one account : split to 1K+2K+3K+4K+10K+20K total 6 receipts only
Depositor E with 100k FD in one account : split to 10K+20K+30K+40K total 4 receipts only
Depositor F with 1m FD in one account : split to 100K+200K+300K+400K total 4 receipts only
Do the math for the next level........

The above combinations allows withdrawals in multiple of 1K or 10K or 100k with minimum split receipts

@danmooncake
Monthly FD maturity dates has the following downsides:
The money hold back for the following months FD placements losing out on better interest income.
For small time depositor, the deposits are split to even smaller amount, thus he may not grab promotion rates which requires a large deposit amount.



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post Nov 8 2012, 08:46 AM

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I think ngaisteve1 is talking about instead of placing 20k in FD earning 3.x%, might as well use the money to cover up the flexi loan account Interest at 4.2%.
His rm20k "yields" better in flexi account than FD account. A sensible move indeed.
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post Nov 9 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(whereis the love @ Nov 9 2012, 08:38 AM)
Not im confusing wanna put into fd or get some stocks as investment..haizz..juz wanna a stable savings but the interest not so attracting..
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You may want to consider Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT). Here are the poisons:

1) Dividend yield better than FD rates on average. Some counters as high as 7 to 8% pa. But on average, i would say 5.5%.
2) Very liquid. T+3days to cash out.
3) Low entry and exit costs.
4) Very transparent. REITs are listed in Bursa Malaysia. You are crystal clear of your investment value any time, any day.
4) Low entry capital. Few thousand riggit to "own" a small portion of rental properties like MV or Starhill. How nice. thumbup.gif
5) stable price movement and not volatile as compare to stocks market.
6) Regulated by Securities Commission (SC)

There is a risk of capital loss though but no as high as if you buy the real property directly.
Unlike real property, you can cash out the investment within days if your gut feeling tells you the rental properties market is coming down.

I'll let other members here to list down the disadvantages of REITs. notworthy.gif

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post Nov 10 2012, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Nov 9 2012, 07:01 PM)
If the stock market index drop to 1000 point, will it affect the price for REITS ?
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REITs in Malaysia have not been tested by such severe market crash, thus no precedent to qoute. There wasn't any REIT during the stock market meltdown in 1998 if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure panic selling will definitely put on downside pressure to the prices of REITs. But the lower the price the higher the yield as mentioned by Bro gark above. Which REIT bargain hunter wouldn't jump in to buy IGB (MV & Garden Mall) and Pavillion REITs when the divident yield above 10% ?

QUOTE(gark @ Nov 9 2012, 07:13 PM)
Remember REIT acts like bond/fd during good times but when the economy crash or during bad times it will act like a stock. REIT in SG dropped over 70% during the last financial crisis, although continuous dividend is still being paid with yield >15%-20%. MY REITs does better, dropping to 30%-40% during the time, with yield reaching 10%. The yield is more or less following the interest rate movements and being a leveraged investment, will have even higher swing. There is a risk factor to everything and no free lunch.  tongue.gif

Basically during meltdown, people put their brain in their ass. You must have enough holding power and do not panic.  wink.gif  laugh.gif
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After crisis, how fast your REITs ( the price ) correct itself back to the average market divident yield ?
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Nov 10 2012, 09:12 PM)
Good point. Reits are more price resistance as their business is relatively more stable compare with other companies.

On the other side of the coin, the same can be said when the market rise from 1200 to 1600, the price of Reits should lag behind ?
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I guess so. That's why it got the characteristic of minimum price volatility. As dividend yield is determined by rental income, If REITs prices increase within a short period of time, the dividend yield drop, more selling than buying.

QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 10 2012, 09:19 PM)
I think REITs can lose money too, when it leverage to highly to acquire real-estates and the falling rental income during a crisis cannot match the loan interest and other expenses.
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I would agree with you on this. Must check the gearing before jumping in.
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post Nov 12 2012, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(RigorMortis @ Nov 12 2012, 03:42 PM)
Thanks for your reply.

What I mean is, do they accept applications by means of post or email? (For non residents)
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Which city in Malaysia you are currently residing in ? I may have some info you needed.
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post Nov 12 2012, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(RigorMortis @ Nov 12 2012, 04:52 PM)
I'm not residing in Malaysia..

Just want to open a bank acc to lock in some FDs..
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In that case it is not possible to do that. The bank needs original identity documents and to witness your signature in person.
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post Nov 14 2012, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Nov 14 2012, 04:41 PM)
Anything from Hong Leong recently? Just got a call from them asking to meet up at my office this Friday to show me their new promotion. The girl said something about guaranteed return and better than FD promo rates.
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That's pretty clear hints already. Cancel the appointment to save your precious time unless you really interested in long term investment link product.
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post Nov 18 2012, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(joshuatly @ Nov 17 2012, 11:19 PM)
Dont know if here is the place to ask this question, i dont know how to calculate, so I need you guy's help.
Its regarding the PTPTN 20% discount vs putting the money in FD.

I borrowed RM41,250 from PTPTN, i get 1% charge instead of 3%, i can pay back within 15 years (RM 263.55 x 180 months)
If I pay back all the money within September 2013, I get 20% from RM41,250.

Is it worth it?
What if I put the money in fixed deposite and slowly pay back for 15 years, which one save me more?
Can anyone help/teach me how to calculate this out?

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I did some homework too, but just dont know if my method is correct. I've did the calculation in a spreadsheet, any guru please check.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...9GeTZwT3c#gid=0

My question is, from my calculation, if i slow slow pay i get 13k bonus at the end of year15, but if i pay in full, end of next year i got back 8k.
if i take inflation into account, isnt that 8k now worth more than 13k 15 years later?
How how? icon_question.gif
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Based on your calculation, your assumption is if you have a ready cash of rm47,439.00 to settle the either by installment of by full-settlement right ?

For the full settlement, you had omitted to factor in the potential FD interest income for the next 15 years for the RM8250 20% discount.

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post Nov 21 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(im.thetrader @ Nov 20 2012, 10:44 PM)
I do investment for bank, specifically in stock market(malaysia market). As I see the FD rate is so so low, why still so many people putting so much money in FD? Why not invest in some of others instruments that gives higher return(higher risk of course)? Please don't get wrong that I'm not saying take out all FD and invest in other place, but why not move some of the money and park in other place? Sorry for the question if you think it's dumb.
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Good point, smart guy. What other instruments that gives better return then FD but as liquid and secured as FD ?
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post Nov 21 2012, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(im.thetrader @ Nov 21 2012, 07:42 AM)
The other tools may be saving account like Hong Leong Income building, deposit RM25k per year for 6 years, will get RM6.5k every year for 30 years. and the risk to me is near 0~ It just a lot of people don't know there is actually such a good investment tools.
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Interesting. Two questions.
Since you are a investment planner, without doubt you know how to calculate EFFECTIVE YIELD, can you please provide the forum the effective yield for the above ?
As for the risk is near 0, can you please substantiate it ? Protected by PIDM ?
Thank you.
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post Nov 21 2012, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(im.thetrader @ Nov 21 2012, 08:40 AM)
Bro I'm not investment planner la  blink.gif I'm equity trader for bank, not good in calculating the yield but the effective yield thing I think you can just google it : )

Hope can answer you question bro.
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in that case, how do you quantify "deposit 25k over 6 years and get rm6,500 for 30 years" gives higher return than FD hmm.gif ?

I did not google or use a financial calculator, but just at the glance with brief mental calculation, I guess it was way below FD return of 4% p.a ( assuming fixed rate for 30 years), correct me if I'm wrong.
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QUOTE(im.thetrader @ Nov 21 2012, 11:10 AM)
Do you mind to tell me how much you will get if deposit 150k in FD for 30 years?

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Aik ?? you throw the ball back to me pulak ?? I can give you the compounded cash value for 150K FD x 30 years easily (assuming fixed rate for the sake of calculation) but since you don't know how to calculate the effective ROI of HLB income building, how are we going to engage in a more meaningful and intelligent debate in this matter ? hmm.gif

QUOTE(im.thetrader @ Nov 21 2012, 12:04 PM)
The quotation is not with me now, if i remembered correctly 30years in that income builder surrender value 950k+++. kind of confuse why forumers here saying its way below FD rate  hmm.gif
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If I give you the compounded cash value of 150k x 30 years FD, how you are going to compare it with HLB income builder ? Compare the final cash value at year 30th??
How do you get 950K ?? Is it for real ?? drool.gif drool.gif

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QUOTE(im.thetrader @ Nov 21 2012, 06:25 PM)
After i did the calculation, the rate is only ~0.04567 =.='' FD can be higher?

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I'm sorry bro, I can't comprehend what was written on the above bold words. Is that a new term for interest rate ?
Anyway, how can 0.04567 be higher than FD rate of 4.6% sweat.gif
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 26 2012, 02:33 PM)
With A's 26% tax rate, his effective returns after 5 years will be :
* PRS with 0% pa return, => 4%
* PRS with 3% pa return, => 6%
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Where are these 4% and 6% derived from ?
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 26 2012, 03:47 PM)
aeiou,

Briefly, saving :
a. in tax is 3000*0.26 and put that in FD at 3 % pa
b. return after fees deduction for PRS zero and 3% return cases.

Cheerio.

P/S An idea just came to mind - a possible loophole with this PRS RM3000 tax deduction. Will find out more first. Ha.
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What about the following year (second year)?
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post Nov 26 2012, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 26 2012, 05:12 PM)
I only did it for once off RM3000 deposit and then see what is the outcome after 5 yrs.

One can repeat the RM3000 deposit on the 2nd, 3rd .. yrs.

My rough estimates after 5 yrs with RM3000 yearly are

PRS ZERO return          total amount after 5 yrs = +20%
PRS 3% return            total amount after 5 yrs = +30%

Sorry if the above is still not clear.  smile.gif

Cheerio.
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I don't know how PRS works but for the tax exemption benefit, I doubt you can enjoy it again for the second year with the same RM3000 balance brought forward from first year.
I guess only additional fresh fund in second year gets the tax relief for the second year. The 1st year deposit no longer entitle to claim tax relief. With that in mind, you may not achieve the above returns.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 26 2012, 06:40 PM)
Yes, fresh RM3000 every year as you have described.

I do not mean 20% pa for the 5 yrs.

But at the end of the 5th year, the total amount will increase by 20%.

I do not know how to calculate the effective rate for a moving capital add-in (additonal RM3000 every year). Thus use the increase in amount after the 5th year as the yard stick.

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How do you get the 20% return in 5 years on a deposit of RM3000 if:

1)Tax benefit is just for the 1st year.
2) PRS ZERO return for the 2nd to 5th years ? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 26 2012, 07:49 PM)
Just finished tidying up my spreadsheet.

Can you show me how to show cut and paste an image here ?

The IMG button here refers to a web site I am having access problem.

To avoid further table tennis here, may be give me your email address and I will forward to you my spreadsheet.

Thanks.
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Press print screen button once > patse it on Paint > crop it > save as jpg file type on the desktop.

Attachment > choose file from desktop > add this attachment > add to post.

I don't need the calculation, just wonder where the return comes from, from 2nd years onwards when PRS zero return.
Assuming you only invested rm3000 for the whole tenure of 5 years.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 26 2012, 08:28 PM)
Finally, found the attachment function at the bottom !

So here it is.

Cheerio.[attachmentid=3175422]
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My opinion is, I don't think IRD allows you to claim 5 times tax relief with single initial rm3000 investment.

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