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 Fixed Deposit Rates in Malaysia V3, Read 1st post to find highest rate.

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plumberly
post Nov 20 2012, 07:39 PM

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Asking myself this question a few hours ago.

Suppose A has a 12 months RM100K FD at BR at 4% with monthly dividends paid to his saving account.

After getting the 6th month dividends, A needs to terminate the FD. Will A get the full RM100K after 6 months or RM 100K - sum of the 6 months paid dividends ?

Anyone who has been through this with BR?

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post Nov 21 2012, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 21 2012, 04:28 PM)
New retail bonds by CIMB... more or less as safe as FD unless the bank close down.  tongue.gif

Offer period:                        8 November 2012 - 7 December 2012
Minimum investment amount: RM250,000 in multiples of RM5,000
Tenure:                                  Up to 10 years, First Call Date no later than 5 years from Issue date
Indicative Variable Coupon: 4.80% p.a.** referenced to 6-month KLIBOR

Principal will be returned on call or maturity date by reference to CIMB Bank Berhad Tier 2 Subordinated Debt (rated AA+ by MARC)
Receive Fixed Coupon of indicatively 4.00% p.a.* if investment is flipped or if the investment is not called (after year 5)
Transparent payoff features with assurance of daily prices and liquidity

Looks like a good deal if anyone wanna lock in very long term yield, interest paid every 6 months. laugh.gif
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gark,

Thanks. Hope you can help a layperson new to this $ industry.

What is meant by "referenced to 6-month KLIBOR" ? x% varies as per KLIBOR rate ?

If so, then my view is, when economy recovers in 1-3 years time, the bond rate will drop. No ?

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post Nov 26 2012, 02:33 PM

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I know this is slightly off the topic but with the FD gurus here, hope that you can help me with this.

Thinking of putting some $ in PRS (Private Retirement Scheme) which has just started this year. Why ?

Mainly because of the tax benefit.

Looking at PB's PRS, charges are :
* sales charge (3%, once off on purchase)
* annual fees (mgt (1%), trust (0.04%), admin (RM10)).

With A's 26% tax rate, his effective returns after 5 years will be :
* PRS with 0% pa return, => 4%
* PRS with 3% pa return, => 6%

(assuming he retires in 5 yrs, otherwise a 8% tax rate on early withdrawal).

Your view ?

Thanks.

P/S Yes, PRS has no capital guarantee or protection.

PP/S Compared to BR's rate for 5 yrs, then this PRS is about the same (with PRS's return at 3% pa).

This post has been edited by plumberly: Nov 26 2012, 02:45 PM
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post Nov 26 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(gsc @ Nov 26 2012, 03:05 PM)
With bank and government advertiseemnt on PIDM protection, there is explanation from where and how PIDM get the money to protect the depositors money in the bank. PIDM gets the money from the members bank to join as the members and now they have included insurance company to pay the money yearly as well to be a member and claimed to the public it is PIDM protected. There is no financial reporting nor statement reported in the public on PIDM perform yearly and also no transparency on the mechanism on how it get the money to protect depositors.
I guessed this is another government "initiative" to collect money.
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gsc,

Good point. I have been wondering wihat really is this PIDM, do banks pay to PIDM for the guarantee, how much, etc., etc.

Even with member banks paying for this service, I really doubt that the service fees will be sufficient to pay to the depositors if the bank(s) closes down. Maybe the final big brother at the end of the line is the govt to decide and bail out the troubled bank(s). Just my thought.

How much do banks pay for this PIDM service ? RM x million per bank per year ?

How much are depositors' total amount in a typical bank ? RM 100 million ? RM 1 billion ?

Something does not add up.

My 2 cents.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 26 2012, 03:35 PM)
Where are these 4% and 6% derived from ?
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aeiou,

Briefly, saving :
a. in tax is 3000*0.26 and put that in FD at 3 % pa
b. return after fees deduction for PRS zero and 3% return cases.

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P/S An idea just came to mind - a possible loophole with this PRS RM3000 tax deduction. Will find out more first. Ha.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 26 2012, 04:23 PM)
What about the following year (second year)?
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I only did it for once off RM3000 deposit and then see what is the outcome after 5 yrs.

One can repeat the RM3000 deposit on the 2nd, 3rd .. yrs.

My rough estimates after 5 yrs with RM3000 yearly are

PRS ZERO return total amount after 5 yrs = +20%
PRS 3% return total amount after 5 yrs = +30%

Sorry if the above is still not clear. smile.gif

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 26 2012, 06:22 PM)
I don't know how PRS works but for the tax exemption benefit, I doubt you can enjoy it again for the second year with the same RM3000 balance brought forward from first year. 
I guess only additional fresh fund in second year gets the tax relief for the second year. The 1st year deposit no longer entitle to claim tax relief.  With that in mind, you may not achieve the above returns.
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Yes, fresh RM3000 every year as you have described.

I do not mean 20% pa for the 5 yrs.

But at the end of the 5th year, the total amount will increase by 20%.

I do not know how to calculate the effective rate for a moving capital add-in (additonal RM3000 every year). Thus use the increase in amount after the 5th year as the yard stick.

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 26 2012, 06:52 PM)
How do you get the 20% return in 5 years on a deposit of RM3000 if:

1)Tax benefit is just for the 1st year.
2) PRS ZERO return for the 2nd to 5th years ?  hmm.gif
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Just finished tidying up my spreadsheet.

Can you show me how to show cut and paste an image here ?

The IMG button here refers to a web site I am having access problem.

To avoid further table tennis here, may be give me your email address and I will forward to you my spreadsheet.

Thanks.


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post Nov 26 2012, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 26 2012, 08:00 PM)
Press print screen button once > patse it on Paint > crop it > save as jpg file type on the desktop.

Attachment > choose file from desktop > add this attachment > add to post.

I don't need the calculation, just wonder where the return comes from, from 2nd years onwards when PRS zero return.
Assuming you only invested rm3000 for the whole tenure of 5 years.
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Finally, found the attachment function at the bottom !

So here it is.

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post Nov 27 2012, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 27 2012, 01:22 AM)
My opinion is, I don't think IRD allows you to claim 5 times tax relief with single initial rm3000 investment.
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Sorry that my spreadsheet is still "muddy", hard to understand.

For the table I have posted, this example is for one tax claim only. Otherwise in the "FD with tax refund" column, the amount will increase by 3000*0.26 every year i.e. 780. In the table, it increases only by the annual FD interests.

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 27 2012, 03:58 PM)
I see. If you have a large taxable income under 26% category you may also want to add on the below tax deviation planning:

The benefits are better than PRS though.

Skim Simpanan Pendidikan Nasional (SSPN-i)

* Tax relief up to RM6000 each year per IRD income tax account (Budget 2013) for "INCREMENTAL NET DEPOSIT" each year.
* 2011 dividend paid out was 3.75% and 2010 dividend paid out was 3.25%
* Free Takaful insurance cover.
* No 5 years contract, can withdraw and deposit any time.

Condition: You must open a children account.

Please input to your spreadsheet and see what is the return after 5 years ? brows.gif
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Thanks.

Learnt that from a friend some 2-3 years ago and I have used it for my tax return. The RM6k is not to be missed for this year.

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post Dec 4 2012, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(sweetpea123 @ Dec 4 2012, 09:11 AM)
why la the banks have to make things so difficult for the depositor ? Really dislike those promos where the ask you to deposit a certain sum in FD and CASA. Can't they be straightforward? And BTW, how come Bank Rakyat's rates is in a class of its own ? No other Islamic banks can even come close.
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My personal view is that banks have targets to meet (number of customers, number of current accounts, etc etc). This is one of the ways to generate a higher number.

Why the number of accounts ? I think on paper, the bigger the number, the bigger is the bank or more popular. Maybe some requirements from Bank Negara for the banks to meet as part of the licensing ?

My 2 cents.

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QUOTE(HiT-AbLe @ Dec 4 2012, 09:51 AM)
Went to BR branch at DU just now, tried to nego the rate with the staff, ended up he told me that I need to have at least 500k before I can nego the rate.

I told him that someone can get better rate for just 100k and asked why your branch can't do the same? He said different branches have different policies about the rate, and 500k is the min requirement before I can talk abut the rate with him at his branch.

Does anyone here have this kinda problem? For me he looks like doesn't want to make the deal with at all, or maybe this's the policy for this branch.
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2 things :
a. Yes, one needs a larger amount to get the extra % (my guess is >500K)
b. Mode of approval is, the branch manager makes the first call within his authority level. If customer wants more, then they will have to check with their state HQ.

My 2 cents.
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post Dec 19 2012, 01:31 PM

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Got a call from BR this morning, asking me to pick up BR 2013 diary and desk calender.

Got them, nice diary.

Nice of BR. Ha.
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post Jan 25 2013, 03:58 PM

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Just got a call from BR, inviting me and partner to a Chinese New Year dinner!

Did not know that there are spin-off benefits like the above for FD customers there. Ha.

Check it out if they also have one in your location. Ha.

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post Jan 31 2013, 10:09 AM

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Withdrew my children's FDs due in Jan in PB & AB and opened a new FD at BR yesterday. 6 months rate at 3.75% and I asked for 3.8%. Amount was less than RM10K and they gave me the 3.8%! In real term, there is only RM2 extra for the 6 months deposit but nonetheless I still feel happy. Ha. Maybe not the extra RM but the satisfaction of getting what I asked for.

Later, I felt bad asking for the free gift (face towel). Ha.

Expect a 20-30% drop in KLSE with this GE13. Plan to switch my children's FD to shares for the long term (10-20 years). Of course, getting only the proven secured shares.

Gong Xii Fatt Chia to all!
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QUOTE(ts1 @ Jan 31 2013, 10:11 AM)
bank rakyat? so good deal 3.8% for how long
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For 6 months only.

But no PIDM gurantee.
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Just came back from the CNY dinner by Bank Rakyat. Impressed with their kind gesture with the nice dinner and also not forgetting the big hamper I got for the last 10 lucky ones. About 15 tables and about 60 hampers were given away!

Thanks Bank Rakyat!


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