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 Fixed Deposit Rates in Malaysia V3, Read 1st post to find highest rate.

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post Jan 1 2013, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(gsc @ Dec 31 2012, 10:12 PM)
Today last day of the year, went to Public Bank and bank in some money into EPF account under self contribution program. This year no limit but next year maximum RM 60k per year. Interest calculated is daily.

Also went to OCBC  and opened another saving combo deal with effective interest about 3.8%. Next year interest rate is about the same but the money put into Smart Saver has to be fresh fund.

Ocbc is closing the loop hole on the saving combo. When first introduced, the money in SS account can be withdrawn the next day. They then changed the rule to have it kept for three months.

The money matured in the SS can be used as part of the Saving combo as "investment" in SS need not to be fresh fund.

2013, Ocbc called it Bonus Saver, this time FD and money invest in saving account have both to be fresh fund. In view of this change, I have decided to open Saving combo to make use my matured fund in SS today.

Ocbc 2013 FD promo

Pure FD - Islamic banking 3.5% flat for three or 12 months.

Bonus Saver replaced saving combo
FD interest 4.5 % but customer has to put certain sum of money into saving account. The ratio of FD to Saving account is 2:1.

Example, for 20k FD, 10k has to be put into saving account. Customer can choose any saving account or smart saver. Of course SS give a better rate of 2.9% but any withdrawal will end up very low interest rate. No change in the rate but the rule has changed, only fresh fund is allowed for the SS or any other saving account.

Based on the scenario given above and if a customer bank in RM1k every month into SS to enjoy the max rate of 2.9%, the effective interest rate is 3.76% which is slightly lower than that of the saving combo.
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It seems Saving Combo is better than Bonus Saver.
My calculation based on total amount of 33k is 3.91% for Saving Combo vs 3.69% for Bonus Saver.

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This post has been edited by magika: Jan 1 2013, 01:29 AM
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post Jan 1 2013, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(gsc @ Dec 31 2012, 10:12 PM)
Ocbc 2013 FD promo

Pure FD - Islamic banking 3.5% flat for three or 12 months.

Bonus Saver replaced saving combo
FD interest 4.5 % but customer has to put certain sum of money into saving account. The ratio of FD to Saving account is 2:1.

Example, for 20k FD, 10k has to be put into saving account. Customer can choose any saving account or smart saver. Of course SS give a better rate of 2.9% but any withdrawal will end up very low interest rate. No change in the rate but the rule has changed, only fresh fund is allowed for the SS or any other saving account.

Based on the scenario given above and if a customer bank in RM1k every month into SS to enjoy the max rate of 2.9%, the effective interest rate is 3.76% which is slightly lower than that of the saving combo.
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Thank for the update Bro.

Like I speculated, OCBC's promo rates would at least match UOB's.

QUOTE(magika @ Jan 1 2013, 01:27 AM)
My calculation based on total amount of 33k is 3.91% for Saving Combo vs 3.69% for Bonus Saver.

Happy New Year 2013  thumbup.gif
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Based on 4.5% with ratio of 2:1 as reported by gsc, I work out the effective interest rate ranges from 3.8% to 3.9667% with Smart Savers (2.4% to 2.9%). Pretty good if deposit RM1K into SS every month.

But to note, the effective interest rate reduces every single day (starting from beginning of the month) since the SS interest rate drops to 0.5% with a single withdrawal. So in order to get the maximum effective interest rate, the deposit should be on 1st of every month (and take note on the clause on the savings portion when withdrawing, e.g. maintain for 90 days or 3 months since February only has 28 days).

Happy New Year 2013 smile.gif

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 31 2012, 11:32 AM)
12 months tenure higher interest rate but fund tied up for 12 months.
1 month tenure lower interest rate but better in liquidity.

For 10k deposit, it is wiser to split to 4 FD receipts of 1k, 2k, 3k and 4k, so that in the event of premature FD uplifting, you can withdraw only the amount you need in multiples of RM1k.
For rm100k, split to 4 FD receipts of 10k, 20k, 30k and 40k.
For other odd deposit amount, decide your own combination depending on your need.
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Hi,

I don't really get it, what is the benefit splitting it up?

For 12 month vs 1 month pros and cons I understand, but how do they link to splitting up to 4FD Receipts?
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post Jan 1 2013, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Jan 1 2013, 01:27 AM)
It seems Saving Combo is better than Bonus Saver.
My calculation based on total amount of 33k is 3.91% for Saving Combo vs 3.69% for Bonus Saver.

Happy New Year 2013  thumbup.gif
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The interest rate is dropping.......but at least Ocbc is stilll continue providing promo....some banks will probabaly promote the most for a year and some even shorter or close the promo when the quota is met.

For the calculation I used by day (multiply by 90 days instead of three months) and I asume there is a deposit of 1k every month into the SS. Thus the total amount is 33 + 2k.
For the SS amount, I calculated based on 30 days and interest added on monthly.

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Added on January 1, 2013, 2:40 am
QUOTE(jasmine2001 @ Dec 30 2012, 09:39 PM)
Lets says principle is RM10,000
3.26% p.a for 1 month ,    after  1 year you got 10,330.92
4.05% p.a for 12 months,  after  1 year you got 10,405.00

then,which one is better?
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It is more appropriate and reflect in actual life to compare by month for the two scenario rather than by a year.

For 3.26% p.a. for a month, you may not get the same 3.26% for the subsequent month especially if it is a promotional rate. You may get 3.26 in month one but in month two it may drop to <3.26 and for the subsequent month 3, 4...
By multiplying by 12 months you are making an assumption that the 3.26% rate is fixed for the next 12 months which is unlikely.

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What is the fastest and cheapest way to transfer RM30k lets say from UOB Bank to CIMB Bank? Other than physical cash transaction? Thanks.
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What is the fastest and cheapest way to transfer RM30k lets say from UOB Bank to CIMB Bank? Other than physical cash transaction? Thanks.
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IGB transfer at counter.
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post Jan 1 2013, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jan 1 2013, 01:58 AM)
Hi,

I don't really get it, what is the benefit splitting it up?

For 12 month vs 1 month pros and cons I understand, but how do they link to splitting up to 4FD Receipts?
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The benefit is in the event of contigency FD withdrawal, you can withdrawal only the amount needed in multiples of rm1k. Example, you can withdraw rm5k with combination of rm4k + rm1k FD receipts. The remaining balance of rm2k and rm3k receipts will still earn the full FD interest and not affected by the premature withdrawal.

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jan 1 2013, 12:22 PM)
The benefit is in the event of contigency FD withdrawal, you can withdrawal only the amount needed in multiples of rm1k. Example, you can withdraw rm5k with combination of rm4k + rm1k FD receipts. The remaining balance of rm2k and rm3k receipts will still earn the full FD interest and not affected by the premature withdrawal.
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post Jan 1 2013, 05:44 PM

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[quote=Gen-X,Jan 1 2013, 01:55 AM]
Thank for the update Bro.

Like I speculated, OCBC's promo rates would at least match UOB's.
Based on 4.5% with ratio of 2:1 as reported by gsc, I work out the effective interest rate ranges from 3.8% to 3.9667% with Smart Savers (2.4% to 2.9%). Pretty good if deposit RM1K into SS every month.

But to note, the effective interest rate reduces every single day (starting from beginning of the month) since the SS interest rate drops to 0.5% with a single withdrawal. So in order to get the maximum effective interest rate, the deposit should be on 1st of every month (and take note on the clause on the savings portion when withdrawing, e.g. maintain for 90 days or 3 months since February only has 28 days).

Happy New Year 2013 smile.gif
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Bro, I redo my calculation, if not wrong then Bonus Saver is better than Combo ?


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post Jan 1 2013, 06:26 PM

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Hi guys, I received a RM10 "BULK CREDIT" in my OCBC smart savers (part of FD combo). Anyone knows what's that for?



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[quote=magika,Jan 1 2013, 05:44 PM]
[quote=Gen-X,Jan 1 2013, 01:55 AM]
Thank for the update Bro.

Like I speculated, OCBC's promo rates would at least match UOB's.
Based on 4.5% with ratio of 2:1 as reported by gsc, I work out the effective interest rate ranges from 3.8% to 3.9667% with Smart Savers (2.4% to 2.9%). Pretty good if deposit RM1K into SS every month.

But to note, the effective interest rate reduces every single day (starting from beginning of the month) since the SS interest rate drops to 0.5% with a single withdrawal. So in order to get the maximum effective interest rate, the deposit should be on 1st of every month (and take note on the clause on the savings portion when withdrawing, e.g. maintain for 90 days or 3 months since February only has 28 days).

Happy New Year 2013 smile.gif
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Bro, I redo my calculation, if not wrong then Bonus Saver is better than Combo ?
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Interesting. Too bad my yr 2012 combos will only end in Jan and Feb 2013, respectively. I need to hold on till Feb or else the amount in smart saver a/c will need to be accumulated again (without withdrawal) with the new 2013 combo.


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So the main difference are
1. 4.5% instead of 4% for fd
2. 2:1 split of total amount instead of 20% of fd sum into saver account.

Am I missing out on any details?minimum fund?fd tenure still 3 months?

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[quote=magika,Jan 1 2013, 05:44 PM]
[quote=Gen-X,Jan 1 2013, 01:55 AM]
Thank for the update Bro.

Like I speculated, OCBC's promo rates would at least match UOB's.
Based on 4.5% with ratio of 2:1 as reported by gsc, I work out the effective interest rate ranges from 3.8% to 3.9667% with Smart Savers (2.4% to 2.9%). Pretty good if deposit RM1K into SS every month.

But to note, the effective interest rate reduces every single day (starting from beginning of the month) since the SS interest rate drops to 0.5% with a single withdrawal. So in order to get the maximum effective interest rate, the deposit should be on 1st of every month (and take note on the clause on the savings portion when withdrawing, e.g. maintain for 90 days or 3 months since February only has 28 days).

Happy New Year 2013 smile.gif
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Bro, I redo my calculation, if not wrong then Bonus Saver is better than Combo ?
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Based on rm 20k what is the effective interest rate you get for bonus saver?

Saving combo is slightly better in terms of interest rate and also do not need fresh fund (can use the fund in SS which is matured after 3 months)
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QUOTE(gsc @ Dec 31 2012, 10:12 PM)
Today last day of the year, went to Public Bank and bank in some money into EPF account under self contribution program. This year no limit but next year maximum RM 60k per year. Interest calculated is daily.
We are allowed to deposit money (maximum RM 60K per year) into KWSP's Self-Contribution program (Form 6A1) start from the age
of 14 and until the age of 75.

QUOTE(gsc @ Dec 31 2012, 10:12 PM)
Also went to OCBC  and opened another saving combo deal with effective interest about 3.8%. Next year interest rate is about the same but the money put into Smart Saver has to be fresh fund.

Ocbc is closing the loop hole on the saving combo. When first introduced, the money in SS account can be withdrawn the next day. They then changed the rule to have it kept for three months.

The money matured in the SS can be used as part of the Saving combo as "investment" in SS need not to be fresh fund.

2013, Ocbc called it Bonus Saver, this time FD and money invest in saving account have both to be fresh fund. In view of this change, I have decided to open Saving combo to make use my matured fund in SS today.

Ocbc 2013 FD promo

Pure FD - Islamic banking 3.5% flat for three or 12 months.

Bonus Saver replaced saving combo
FD interest 4.5 % but customer has to put certain sum of money into saving account. The ratio of FD to Saving account is 2:1.

Example, for 20k FD, 10k has to be put into saving account. Customer can choose any saving account or smart saver. Of course SS give a better rate of 2.9% but any withdrawal will end up very low interest rate. No change in the rate but the rule has changed, only fresh fund is allowed for the SS or any other saving account.

Based on the scenario given above and if a customer bank in RM1k every month into SS to enjoy the max rate of 2.9%, the effective interest rate is 3.76% which is slightly lower than that of the saving combo.
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I have some money in my Smart Saver account, if I want to move my money from Smart Saver to 4.5% FD, then I need to withdraw
and re-deposit again since Bonus Saver needs fresh fund?

So Smart Saver is no longer available?

Thanks
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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Jan 2 2013, 12:42 AM)
We are allowed to deposit money (maximum RM 60K per year) into KWSP's Self-Contribution program (Form 6A1) start from the age
of 14 and until the age of 75.
I have some money in my Smart Saver account, if I want to move my money from Smart Saver to 4.5% FD, then I need to withdraw
and re-deposit again since Bonus Saver needs fresh fund?

So Smart Saver is no longer available?

Thanks
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Last year 2012 no limit. Starting this year 2013, max rm60k.
Those already contributing to EPF through current employment cannot participate in 1M Retirement fund, thus they can participate in self contribution program.

If fund in SS not mature, let it be. Moving any part of it will cause the interest rate drop to minimum level. If mature then only take it out.

Bonus Saver is not a saving account. It is the promotion program name replacing the earlier Saving Combo or Booster plan (something like that)

The bonus Saver required the customer to place certain amount into any saving account. I used SS as an example is because it gives higher interest rate than normal saving account. SS is still available.
If place into other saving account type, the effective interest will be lower...

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QUOTE(gsc @ Jan 2 2013, 01:09 AM)
Last year 2012 no limit. Starting this year 2013, max rm60k.
Those already contributing to EPF through current employment cannot participate in 1M Retirement fund, thus they can participate in self contribution program.
I heard a different explanation from KWSP. Fot those who participate in 1M Retirement program also can participate in Self-Contribution program,
but the total amount from both programs cannot exceed RM 60K per year.
Anyway, I am not interested in 1M Retirement program which I think it is a bit troublesome (need to fill out a form to apply), furthermore, it pays
only extra RM 60 per year only.

QUOTE(gsc @ Jan 2 2013, 01:09 AM)
If fund in SS not mature, let it be. Moving any part of it will cause the interest rate drop to minimum level. If mature then only take it out.
If I opened my Smart Saver account in 20th of the month, then it will mature in 3 month from 20th? Or it will mature at the end of the month?


Added on January 2, 2013, 1:38 am
QUOTE(gsc @ Jan 2 2013, 01:09 AM)
If fund in SS not mature, let it be. Moving any part of it will cause the interest rate drop to minimum level. If mature then only take it out.

Bonus Saver is not a saving account. It is the promotion program name replacing the earlier Saving Combo or Booster plan (something like that)

The bonus Saver required the customer to place certain amount into any saving account. I used SS as an example is because it gives higher interest rate than normal saving account. SS is still available.
If place into other saving account type, the effective interest will be lower...
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Ok..I got it. Thanks


Added on January 2, 2013, 1:51 am
QUOTE(gsc @ Dec 28 2012, 10:51 AM)
Wonder what is their current/saving account rate? Without 10% kept in saving/current account, effective rate is 3.72%..
Estimated interest rate with 10% FD kept in SA or CA is between 3.38 to 3.72%
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Please check to see if my calculations for the effective rates are correct or not?

Alliance FD with Alliance Buddy:

First 3 months: 3.1% x 3 months = 9.3%
4th to 5th month: 3.2% x 2 months = 6.4%
6th month: 6.6%

9.3% + 6.4% + 6.6% = 22.3% / 6 months = 3.71%

3.71% x .9 (deduct 10% in saving, assuming no interest in saving account) = approximately 3.34% Effective Rate

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Alliance FD with Saving Account:

First 3 months: 3.1% x 3 months = 3.3%
4th to 5th month: 3.2% x 2 months = 6.4%
6th month: 6.0%

9.3% + 6.4% + 6.0% = 21.7% / 6 months = 3.61%

3.61% x .9 (deduct 10% in saving, assuming no interest in saving account) = approximately 3.25% Effective Rate


Refer to Post #1565 on Page #79 contributed by ronnie:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2451962/+1560



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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Jan 2 2013, 01:33 AM)
I heard a different explanation from KWSP. Fot those who participate in 1M Retirement program also can participate in Self-Contribution program,
but the total amount from both programs cannot exceed RM 60K per year.
Anyway, I am not interested in 1M Retirement program which I think it is a bit troublesome (need to fill out a form to apply), furthermore, it pays
only extra RM 60 per year only.
1M Retirement progam is for those self employed like hawker etc as they do not have the employer portion of contribution. Thus govenment contribute max. RM 60 per year. Thus they can also particiapte in self contribution program. Form 61A can be downloded from EPF website or go to the EPF office to get a copy. Very easy to fill in.

SS opening is at the same time when you opened FD thus the maturity date followed FD maturity date
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QUOTE(gsc @ Jan 2 2013, 03:23 AM)
1M Retirement progam is for those self employed like hawker etc as they do not have the employer portion of contribution. Thus govenment contribute max. RM 60 per year. Thus they can also particiapte in self contribution program. Form 61A can be downloded from EPF website or go to the EPF office to get a copy. Very easy to fill in.

SS opening is at the same time when you opened FD thus the maturity date followed FD maturity date
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Upliftment of Smart Saver on the 20th means a calender month withdrawal so min rate. If intend for max 2.90%, make a 1k deposit on the 1st and withdraw only on the 1st of the following month.

EPF extra self contribution is good in view of excellent track records and is quite interesting for those in their late forties or fifties..


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