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 Just got back from testing a Toyota 86, MANUAL!!

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netmatrix2
post Aug 3 2012, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 30 2012, 09:08 PM)
if u r a proper driver u won't say this.  there is no competition between FF and FR, the FR will win at every aspect but i do think the new 86 is a freaking expensive toyota (in malaysia at least).  if i'm aiming a car at that price category i'll pick a BMW and if i want to have as much fun i'd save up a bit to get an LSD for it.
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No u got it all wrong. There is a lot of FF cars since 2000 that already have FR feel and grip. Do u know how great the Honda DC5 was? And fast forward we have the last 4 door Civic Type R. Now this is another tire eater. When we kill the rear tires with RWD these 2 will kill the front with FWD. In fact there are already a lot of FF cars that exhibit a lot of neutral steer already. The only difference is you can hold a drift with FR and not FF. If you run both cars around track, really not much difference. In fact like someone said, not much difference. It is already true. The old adage FR different from FF cannot be used anymore really.

Selling the GT86 with AE86 credentials is totally wrong. It is cheap to begin with (in other countries). But over here at same price, i do not want to be eaten on the road by older Megane RS, Golf Gti and even CTR for less or same price. i only got platform to work with. Its not enough u know? It not street racer enough. Its not supercar enough. Then what for pay 250K for it? Hell now the over valued 60K AE86 starts to look cheap n comparison. Dump another 20 grand for top end F20C from S2000 with weight advantage could make mincemeat out of GT86.

And u know i have been reading that Subaru BRZ is slightly more powerful and rides harder than GT86. Though not cheaper. Which is why i always said from start that subaru logo plastered everywhere on the GT86 sure got some hidden agenda.

You are right in thinking of getting a BMW. If i could afford 250K for a car i would buy a BMW really. Even the old BMW 3 series is better proposition than this. It will depreciate less than GT86 where the quantity is very low here. Hence parts will be expensive too. But this is logical thinking. Illogical thinking i would buy the GT86 because my wallet is too thick. hahaha


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post Aug 3 2012, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Aug 3 2012, 02:03 PM)
there, bold part says it all.  u can't have as much fun as the FR platform, period.  we are not talking about track performance, we are talking about FUN stuff.  if u insist on saying that FF is as good as FR then we all know that u DON'T HAVE any FR experiences at all.

yes the DC5 and the Civic Type R are quick, the conti FF pocket rockets are......pocket rockets, but they don't give as big a smile as a proper handling FR.


Added on August 3, 2012, 2:05 pm

again, your opinion show u DON'T HAVE any experiences in FR (or MR for that matter).  u don't need a lot of power for FR or MR, with a light car like the 86, 200bhp is just enough to have lots of fun.  the old 86 only has 130bhp with it's 16 valve
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Dude what kind of fun are you talking about? Sliding here and there are thrills not fun. Fun is when u turn and the car goes where you want it to. We call it obedient. So one knows the car will go where it wants to and you can then have fun. So here comes the point, if an FF can do that with similar or bigger HP, that GT86 is toast. So where is the fun if one is always getting toasted everytime it meets another car that is supposed to be no fun to drive? So now gonna tell every hot FF car owner that their car is no fun to drive?

I don't need to lay down credentials about what car i drive to know what benefits all cars have against each other. I don't know what car u drive and u don't know what car i drive. So i'm not arguing about whether i know FR or FF or not here. I'm laying facts. Facts about how this car does not justify 250K when u have more to choose with better specs.

 

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