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post Nov 13 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 13 2012, 10:57 AM)
state your intentions evil one?
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post Nov 13 2012, 07:01 PM

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oi... don't sharpen your poison needle when no one is around for you to poison lar...
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post Nov 14 2012, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Nov 13 2012, 11:41 PM)
aiduh... y u no resize....
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y u no get bigger screen?

my summary of why no resize...

he lazy to download in the first place
he download adi lazy to resize
he resize adi lazy to reupload
he reupload adi lazy to copy link and post

quadruple counts of laziness...the bane of society...


Added on November 14, 2012, 12:15 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 13 2012, 09:42 PM)
do u really have to justify?
SS, syiok sendili


Added on November 14, 2012, 12:18 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 13 2012, 09:42 PM)


Added on November 13, 2012, 9:45 pm
my friend rides on 25mm gp4000s. he loves the suspension.
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ur friend and i should get along quite well, where did the conti 25s come from?

i saw some 25s in rodalink, gave me some hope as my tires is expiring soon

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post Nov 14 2012, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(hianboy @ Nov 14 2012, 12:20 AM)
i tak tau resize la...
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dun lie...


Added on November 14, 2012, 10:24 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 09:04 AM)
he got it from khcycle. bikepro haz 25mm too
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ohhh... didn't see it when i was there...

it'll be my alternative choice if my el-cheapo one in rodalink runs out...


Added on November 14, 2012, 10:32 am
QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 14 2012, 01:26 AM)
Hurm interesting. But then I also have the same feeling. Aero wheels is definitely for aero kinda ride. Slicing through the wind? Maybe. Perhaps I might feel it when I already buy the 404. As for now I could only imagine how it feels like and to trust my trusty FR0 tongue.gif

Bike stuff here in Dubai are pretty expensive. GH specialized bikes are selling almost rm5k cheaper for the 2012 venge sworks model. Got a plenty of top end bikes shop scattered around the town, and the cycling community here is pretty active.

So my plan of bringing my bike over here seems like a good choice. A wheel upgrade and groupset is all that needed and I can have my dream bike once I'm back in Malaysia  laugh.gif

Any idea wether HED wheels is superior to zipp or the latter is the definite choice of the pros peloton nowadays?
save the money from upgrades and you can have an even dreamier bike when you are back...

for the lack of illustration...

you'll be upgraded from a george clooney
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to a mcdreamy
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comparing HED with Zipp or even the Paul Lew designed Reynolds or Simon Smart Enve wheels is like comparing Fuji apples to Granny Smith apples... they are all apples... maybe one is crunchier or sweeter than the other by a bit...

aero wheels are never only about slicing wind nowadays... they have made it more complicated by measuring aero efficiency at yaw angels, dirty turbulent wind left by the wheels and how it affects your aero downtube and many other crazy factors...

so... HED or Zipp??? up to you... i guess Zipp is more commonly available as a mass marketed product hence you see more of it...HED or Enve smart wheels are not seen a lot over here but the good thing about HED stingers and Smart Enve is you can pair them up with what you like... so can Zipp rims... but only if the zipp shops bring them in...

to add on other than aero... zipp has a more complete package as a wheel with it's famed 88 / 188 hubs with it's perfectly rounded ball swiss steel bearings with teflon retainer with the option to go ceramics if you can splurge...

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post Nov 14 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 10:43 AM)
zipp hubs are durable? i read many negative comments about them

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i think it's fair to say that no lightweight hubs are ever going to be durable... it's mostly the freehub that srews up most of the time and it's a bomb to replace it...think it's a cool RM1k to replace it...
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same goes for fulcrums...even chris king R45's are not going to be durable if you don't service it with their ringlube once in a while...

if durability is a concern... get some shimano dura ace hubs and don't gripe about the weight...
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even if the freehub does not screw up epically... you have problems dealing with the aluminum freehub body after a period of time where the cassette will start chewing into the spines...it's a known problem for many aluminum freehub designs...

bearings is the least of concerns at this point unless it's the one within the freehub seizing up...i've seen some bent axles as well, but also not a big concern...

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post Nov 14 2012, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 12:34 PM)
1k for freehub body? wah.... crap shit n cry hungary
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i think so lar... i saw before big price tag.. maybe after discount.. RM900 li tat...
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post Nov 14 2012, 01:30 PM

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itu bearing tak boleh... pasti tipu mya...

ceramic must buy the best...ceramic speed...

full kit for front and rear hubs.. you'll go from oh la la to fulamak...
http://www.amazon.com/CeramicSpeed-Wheel-U...m/dp/B004XITRL8
http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/Ceramic-Speed-W...=item20c86a67fc

give terry from creative mill a call... i think he can hook you up with some CS BB and pulleys... might save you a couple of watts here and there...
http://ceramicspeed.com/sport/products/

fulcrum pun adak... mr.jgx brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
http://shop.ceramicspeed.com/products/133-...pgrade-kit.aspx

mavic kits... fulamak...300 euros
http://shop.ceramicspeed.com/products/132-...grade-kits.aspx

zipp is a ball breaker @ 600 euros...
http://shop.ceramicspeed.com/products/141-...its-coated.aspx

muahahhahahaha.... ~~evil laughter brows.gif

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post Nov 14 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 01:36 PM)
wahlaueh..... mahal betul.... what about this?

http://www.hscceramics.com.au/HSC-Bike-Cer...lset-Mavic.html
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hard to say lar....

ceramic bearings cannot cincai choose one as far as i've read before...

on one end of the choosing part is how smooth and round the balls is (mind the pun, not meaning anything dirty here... serious talk).. which is where ceramic excels and shaping rounder balls is easier with ceramic than any metal...it is also quite hard to wear ceramic balls down as well as it is harder to cause abrasion to the balls where contaminant enters the bearing compared to steel balls...

on the other end... the bearing races will have to fully complement the ceramic balls... this means that the races have to be hardened up to sustain the ceramic balls or the races wear out prematurely...

i think there are some manufacturers that makes ceramic races as well... but, not sure about it as i read that the races are still better off made of steel... can't remember why... but it needs harder steel than the ones meant for ceramic balls, that's for sure...ceramic races is something like this
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then there is the retainer where some companies choose to use balls all around with no retainer while some uses a PTFE or teflon retainer to guide the balls around...

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post Nov 14 2012, 02:26 PM

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worth a try for that price difference...
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 02:27 PM)
but then again, ceramics is ranked the lowest in the performance parts upgrade

http://www.biketechreview.com/reviews/fram...-speed-for-sale

i just need the freehub body once my nylon bushing wears out
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it's because it does practically almost nothing but requires the price of an arm and a leg...

it is only for the people who has everything and has nothing else better to upgrade...much like changing titanium bolts...
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 03:02 PM)
i wonder if the crankset compatible with 10s 7900
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most probably is... don't see why it isn't...

QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 14 2012, 03:05 PM)
Ialready have ceramic bearing ler..USB and carbon hub for the FR0 tongue.gif
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there is difference between low and high grade ceramics...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 03:07 PM)
eh i oso got USB lah

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ceh...ciplak...

dread at this..QED gold plated USB cable...
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post Nov 14 2012, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 14 2012, 04:41 PM)
Ultra smooth bearing lerr..so smooth don't ever want to stop rolling tongue.gif
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i thought it's Ultra Sexy Butthead?

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so sexy your brakes will fail to work and you slam face first into a 10 inch thick concrete slab...


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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 05:05 PM)
i foresee butthead posting something hamsap....
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ceh... if i can let you foresee wat i plan to do... i no longer called butthead...


Added on November 14, 2012, 5:14 pm
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 04:53 PM)
if u lubricate it with johnson's & johnson's baby cream, will it make my bearings smooth?
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well... like the italians said... good olive oil is good for health... if it's good for health.. it must be damn good for your bearings...

put some quality jamie oliver extra virgin olive oil on your bearings and it shall spin like the earth has no gravity...
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while you are at it.. you can have a couple of chuggs like tom cruise does... do it like a man they say...
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if you can find the special extra extra virgin.. even better.. this are the first press of the sweet olives by a certified virgin between her you know what... it's extra extra virgin olive oil... superly hard to find... even jamie olivers chin will fall to the floor if he ever sees a bottle of it...


Added on November 14, 2012, 5:21 pm
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 14 2012, 04:53 PM)
if u lubricate it with johnson's & johnson's baby cream, will it make my bearings smooth?
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i think astroglide might be better...
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real pleasure lasts longer... having to re-apply once in a while is very potong stimming...and it keeps the bearings moist too... not sure wat for.. but it does...

i even located the seller for you..
http://list.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/List.as...d=&PriceUBound=

but the small 4ml packs only...

there is always ebay if you are not scared the customs officer open the bottle for a trial run first sweat.gif
http://www.ebay.com.my/sch/i.html?LH_Avail..._arr%3D1&_rdc=1


Added on November 14, 2012, 5:33 pmsome fun facts about astroglide...

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The inventors of Astroglide, Daniel Wray and Erich Drafahl,[1] formulated it while working on the cooling system of a space shuttle at Edwards Air Force Base in 1977. Dan Wray said he was "trying to remove the oil from anhydrous ammonia and I ended up with this substance". This association with aerospace was responsible for the name of the brand. The name "Astroglide" was originally licensed to a small company in North Hollywood (in 1982). When the company failed in 1991, Wray was able to regain the rights to the name.[2]


sexy time in space eh... this must be reported to nasa...

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post Nov 15 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 15 2012, 03:39 PM)
BSD? DPC?


Added on November 15, 2012, 3:41 pm
http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/series/aeroad-cf.html
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DPC for De Pastry Chef???

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slurrrrppp

BSD, Big Super Donkey

that canyon is weak...

dread at this...

buy a Spez Shiv triathlon and mount up some road bike parts like this spez employee...
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you don't know aero until you own one of this.. and the dude only used this to ride the spez lunch hour rides...

http://neilbrowne.com/2012/01/the-2014-shiv-road-bike/


Added on November 15, 2012, 5:32 pm
QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 15 2012, 03:43 PM)
How will be service be done if we bought canyon bike  into kl? Think most lbs will not be please to service it... hmmmm
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they'll like you even more from a biz point of view... no obligations to you and they can chop you anyway they like...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 15 2012, 03:44 PM)
beauty

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/11/bike...-bunch-firefly/


Added on November 15, 2012, 3:45 pm
what kinda of service? u need to pay for services even if u buy any bikes from LBS. right?
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if you buy it from them... they are obligated to perform some basic tune ups for a period of time.. like half a couple of time witout charging you..

QUOTE(minizian @ Nov 15 2012, 03:52 PM)
I mean like changing stuff and general maintanace stuff... Will they still do for u even u don buy bike from em?
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you are not expecting free service rite? and don't expect them to pull you any special favors initially...


Added on November 15, 2012, 5:35 pm
QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Nov 15 2012, 01:51 PM)
Hi, new here, I did a little cycling recently, only confine to BSD, and never had a stretch of flats over here. My biggest challenge so far is hilly condo area for those from DPC can come over and have a go, and compare that with DPC.
It always my idea to try out Genting Sempah which I heard of, like to try but not sure if I can surmount the terrain or manage scope tarmac with my ear.
Maybe I should try DPC first and get some tips from the Tai Kor over there, what are the usual time and day of the week?
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your DPC is desa park city???

BSD is??? we are lost...

we are kinda lost on what you are saying in general...

we need the enigma decoder...
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Added on November 15, 2012, 5:38 pm
QUOTE(hianboy @ Nov 15 2012, 04:42 PM)
da brake
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it's the eecycleworks eebrakes lar... the one in kh cycle for RM2.4k...jus a silver version of it...

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post Nov 15 2012, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 15 2012, 06:12 PM)
usually just the first two only; upon installation and then when the cables have stretched enough
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haha... then, maybe i special case lar... i never paid for jack shit before...

QUOTE(HughieRmX @ Nov 15 2012, 06:19 PM)
Good day.
Seeking for opinion from you guys .. what will be recommended for a starter in cycling ?
I am looking forward for weekend cycling at parks such as Taman Titiwangsa area those.

smile.gif
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frankly, depends on your budget...

but... just for strolling around and high possibilities that you will leave your bike unattended.. you should consider something not too pricey in case it gets stolen...

folding bikes are good consideration too... at least it is easier to transport around ...

QUOTE(auhckw @ Nov 15 2012, 07:48 PM)
Hi guys. Just got myself my first folding bike. Day1 out today. Did it at DPC (Desa Park City) this morning. Saw some other road bikes.

Any of you guys ah?
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most likely not... the ones who are interested would either be at genting sempah or in vin_anns case... staring at juicy butts in some spinning classes... awal buat-haram day for him...


Added on November 15, 2012, 11:18 pm
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 15 2012, 08:19 PM)
that is so not mainstream
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i am starting to wonder if you are a women behind taping on the keyboard...blardy fickle minded...

so you want mainstream now or not mainstream??

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Nov 15 2012, 08:44 PM)
Aiyah.. my bad, BSD is Bandar Sri D'sara, where I stay.
Did not have enough time for leisurely ride, so instead, scouted DPC hill top "bird watching" site (Butthead?) the final summit stretch were condone off, I guess can only trespass by bike.
Anyone around here lives in DPC?
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i feel that we have a stalker here... stop trespassing my secret grounds mad.gif

which summit stretch.. the one up to the water reservoir??? didn't know it was blocked.. there is some things there to block the way...but should not be hard to slip pass it...it's nothing to do up there anyways..just a short 12% climb

QUOTE(auhckw @ Nov 15 2012, 08:57 PM)
I heard there are special backpack for cycling. Where can I find nice wans in PJ area?
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it's just a normal backpack... not special...

if you hang this off your back.. it'll be special..
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can have tongkat ali teh tarik somemore...bet you'll be the raymond lam of cycling in no time...

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he is the spokesperson for the tongkat ali teh tarik if you don't know.. but this is such a gayous topic...

i'll bring on his cousin for a change...
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wooo drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 15 2012, 09:47 PM)
u mean backpack with water bladder? u can try corezone or tearproof. i got my high sierra from tearproof
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no.. he meant backpack with 5 packs of teh tariks...

where is the camelbak recommendation dear employee... and why are you recommending our competitors shop...

remember our shop motto... where there is an arm.. there is a potential use for a poison needle...
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post Nov 15 2012, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(auhckw @ Nov 15 2012, 10:02 PM)
Ah. Yes, Will check em out. Thanks.
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too late...


Added on November 15, 2012, 11:31 pm
QUOTE(vin_ann @ Nov 15 2012, 11:21 PM)
Anyone consume this Vi gel ??? look very good!

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http://www.viendurance.com/t/viadvantages
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wow... their statements makes them look like the jamie oliver of energy supplements...

but i don't buy a word that gets typed from their keyboards...

this will be the guys who will be worrying me if they decide to launch some ass flavored energy gels... they will be trying to soak some asses to get the real taste rather than trying to artificially re-produce it with a mixture of chemicals... which either ways is damn sick btw..

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post Nov 16 2012, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Nov 16 2012, 12:18 AM)
Let's see whether i managed to get the gels or not....

if i got it, u want to try?
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errr... i dunno wat to do with it...

if you can get a lorry of them...i'll give you a jelly wrestling match... i guess that'll put them to better use than being in my stomach...
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up for it??? let's vote...

QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 16 2012, 12:33 AM)
Hoi the shiv is way out of question lah. Haha. Went around for window shopping..confirms prices here are a bit on the higher side compare to Malaysia.

Btw is this one considers a bargain to get? Scott foil 30 equipped with Rival. Rim as in the pix below. Around rm10k plus only...it's a tad of a bit more cash from the new DA 9000...

Another aero question...should I get 404 for front and rear, or 303 in front and 404 at the rear or 404 front and 808 rear? I heard that having deeper section wheels on the rear will act like a sail, planted our bike while the front is when it get thrown around by the wind. Hence the less deep in front is suggested. hmm.gif

I wonder how will the zipp behaves as even the normal rims like my FR0 already affected by the sidewind so much..
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of course it's out of the question lar... it's not even seen around here let alone having one...

i think the price is more or less the same around here.. kindred got his with force for additional 3k i think..

actually... it is possible to pair 404 and 808... but mostly tri guys only do that... no sense doing that on road because the 808 is not exactly what you call light in the first place... 303 and 404... don't think it brings much difference except it looks cool...

cross winds are tough and the higher the profile... the tougher it gets.. that is why you saw andy schleck crashed this year in a TT when he was blown off course by a big gust of side wind...

nick wrote about this in a q&a before... read about it..
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/bik...and-more_215372

the zipps are designed to handle all sorts of wind conditions... that being said.. they are still gonna react to heavy winds blowing.. they are not magical in that sense...they are just more efficient at cutting through wind head on... that's all...


Added on November 16, 2012, 9:07 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 16 2012, 06:55 AM)

Added on November 16, 2012, 6:57 am
off the shelf energy gels are so mainstream. make a homemade one
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yeah... that's a great idea... in fact you can throw in something special in the mix... like amphetamines, corticosteroids, etc.... it'll be the best refueling mix ever... bet you'll put allen lim out of biz...

why didn't USPS thought of distributing PED in energy gels??? that is so inconspicuous...


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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
Haha. Ok lah better get the 404 terus..the deeper the more effect I'll get plus there's not much of a hilly ride here. Elevation gain for this 85km ride I've done this morning is only 357m tongue.gif

I'm ON it soon..the black on black 2013 decal! If only my bike is in red color......
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there used to be zedtech division in zipp where you can customize your zip... like a different color lock ring, ceramic bearings, carbon hubs like those used by htc highroad...

the rare triplet laced ala fulcrum 2:1 version of the zedtech rear wheel
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another more normal one.. can customize the stickers and anodization of some parts.. no performance difference most of the customization...
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