generally.. i think rodalink does not apply the member discount to bikes.. but they do take some percentage off the MSRP price tags... the tags are just for show purpose...

you think so? put yourself in his shoes and think whether if you would want to lose a couple hundred more because of a price drop from the manufacturer on new bike... he might hang on to it if he is not in a hurry to sell it off..

it's like you have a fairly new car you want to sell off and AFTA suddenly kicked into effect sending all new car prices crashing down and practically killing the second hand price of the car you trying to pawn off... bad news...

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 4 2012, 10:16 PM

that SRAM wheel is not a zipp wheel.. it might have the old hybrid toroidal shape... but it is not in any way made by Zipp as far as i looked up.. not even the hub and definitely not using the smooth rolling zipp swiss stainless steel bearings...

ride more and you will sooner or later get the hang of it... as i say... no one falls forever learning to walk.. you are bound to learn it from experience...

a ding is no worry... a major dent would be somewhat catastrophic sometime down the road if not worrying... that is the benefits of an alloy frame

at least, it lets you ride home still while mostly a carbon frame in a big shunt would have left you stranded on the road..

i think there are things they can't say on the phone... once you are there... i think they will mark it down a bit more with or without member discount.. the member card is a very easy to get thing... i got mine jus by purchasing some minor things... no less than RM300...

like vin_ann says... when racun kicks in... there is no logic or rational behind the action... the only thing can be done is pray hard the racun is not the most powerful kind

(usually will know if you kena racun or not 5-10 seconds after the credit card transaction goes through, kena kicked back into reality and realizing you did something stupid)

yeah... dun go into bike geekdom... it's a very torturous place to be in... jus ride and have fun...

HWOAHhhh...vin_ann got some moderator friends... better shut my trap before kena permaban

dropping an alu frame below 8 kilos might be a though thing to do unless you are mortal enemies with your wallet... wats the weight of your rig now? a good set of wheels like the FR0 might see a 400 gram drop at max from your aksium race.. and that is a RM3k investment easy..

carbonize your cockpit and maybe shave another 300+ grams away.. but another RM2k thinner on your wallet..

at the end of the day... you'll be better off selling yours and getting vin_ann's nobita bullying aluminum giant that is already around 8kilos in stock form and with 105 groupie... or some fancy carbon bike...

WAT!!!! 10~15 years junior...

don't put your hopes so high about weight reduction...

i'll go with the wheels even if it costs more compared to a carbon cockpit.. at least you get improved spin up rate on wheel weight reduction and get punchier accelerations if you are that kind of rider..

for a more budget play...i guess the shimano C24s are a considerable option.. there are quite a number of those "questionable' C24s in BBS selling for less than RM2k.. some even around RM1.5k and they weigh as much as the FR0s...support for replacement spokes might be limited though...

think those are the 2011 wheels.. the new range of 2012 products have dropped below 1500 grams.... but they also dropped the scandium rim option and stuck with carbon laminated rims.. have yet to see anyone selling them in malaysia yet..

one critical point to note for the shimano wheels is your weight... although never stating a rider weight limit... i think it is best not to attempt riding them if you weigh pass 80kilos... a gentle rider of 80-85 kilos is kinda borderline and if you are a brutish rider...the wheel might not live for very long before starting to break it's spokes which is hard to come by in the first place...

seen a couple of chunky dudes breaking the spokes cleanly of the hub.. not sure if it is a nipple or spoke durability problem.. but their straight pull design have had a lot of complaints over the years and they are quite lacking in spoke count front and rear to be convincingly durable....

lightweight and durability is often in opposite directions... that is why they are called race wheels

haha.. not everyone is rich like you ma.. FR0 almost RM3k ooohhh... although the C24 in full retail is also close to the same price.. but the "questionable" ones in BBS is a full RM1k cheaper... if you don't mind the lacking in support....

you have to remember, almost "virgin" does not = "virgin"... i guess.. best part of RM300 to RM400 if you are lucky.. a new FR7 costs like RM700 nowadays?

you do have to remember this are OEM wheels... not actual fulcrum ones although made by fulcrum...

haha.... sorry... our lousy acronyms... FR0 (zero) is for Fulcrum (brand) Racing Zero (model)

here's the link.. of course, there are many other wheels out there in the wild... but at least... there are 2 rich kids here owning this set of wheels which you can ask for opinions...

http://www.fulcrumwheels.com/en/collection...cts/racing-zero

looking from both bike specs... both have conventional spoked wheels.. so, replacing the j-turn spokes shouldn't be a problem in case of spoke breakages... tubes and tires are very normal 700c variants... chain should be a very standard item in most bike shops (even the remote ones) as it is still 8 & 9 speeds...

in the case if you crash and kill the drivetrain... shimano derailleurs is compatible across the MTB range of the older generation... so, it shouldn't be a problem as well... bottom brackets are quite standard item external cups i guess...

so, it shouldn't be that big a worry between either... the biggest worry is always tires and wheels as that usually takes a beating... wheels less of a chance unless you crash into some epic potholes... worst case is to re-lace the wheel with a new rim or replace broken spokes... if you have some fancy straight pull or high profile wheelsets... then, you are possibly stuffed...

yeah... i was going to say FR1 (sked offend mr.jgx ) as well cause the FR0 does not offer much difference except for a lighter carbon hub shell and the use of USB ceramic bearings... the problem is that the price difference is not that huge... only around RM300-RM400 if i am not wrong...

the new FR3 (this years model) is also definitely not a bad choice from the view of weight alone... but you sacrifice certain things like stiffness of the FR1 and FR0.. and this is something which you can really feel if you are a pedal stomper...

i think even FR3 is not by any means cheap... around RM1.7k to RM1.8k...

FAPING!!! is fun...

itu macam la unifi... fibre optics ma... veli "expensive one" (sarcastically)

wah.. show your fox tail at the mention of his daughter... dun pray pray you know with underage girls... nanti pepet kena rotan...

wat gaya 1st... gaya has always been 1st... a malaysian mentality... tak powaahhh pun mesti gaya.... or the term "the bike looks fast standing still" ... mind numbingly illogical

tat chyu89's avatar looks sick... you not sked he turn you into human centipede ah... somemore you go far far see him... you missing also no one suspek..

serious shit mode, ON!!!...

Mavic Ksyrium.. especially the elite has been the benchmark for as long as possible.... the Ksyrium line i think has been around for the best part of 8 or 9 years through several iterations...

Elite is the best value for money as it has some very aggressively milled rims and some of the features that are not on the equippe...weight is not the lightest possible... but not too bad...

on the SL you gain aluminum spokes with quite a bit more $ and the SR part carbon spokes with aluminum nipples and more fancy hub...

not bad a set of wheels... and ample support with providing bike pro and khcycle still carries the mavic brand...

http://www.mavic.com/en/product/wheels/roa...s/Ksyrium-Elite

it deserves some TLC

i summarize in 1 word....LUCK

bad day... sueh to the max, kid on tricycle also run over you... good day... not even bird shit will hit you...

i count or not??? i stayed until 8+ before... fully dark at park city hill and some couples making out in the park... had to bike home to PJ some more...

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 6 2012, 05:54 PM

frankly, there are different camps of touring riders... some prefer MTB based hybrids and some road based hybrids... and none of them is 100% right...

in the real world.. there is no perfect bike and it totally depends on what or where you are riding to...

a road 700c wheel can be changed with a slightly wider 700 x 28c or 700 x 32c or even cyclo cross tyres to make it able to handle some rougher roads and more resilient to punctures... but that does not make the entire wheel structure stronger...

for example, if you are riding to places like altiplano in bolivia... no way, you are going to make it in a road based hybrid.. simply for 2 reasons... rough road conditions and endless uphills that will demand a gear so small a 25T cog will seem too heavy...



on the other hand.. if you plan to cycle tour to penang... it should be ok to ride a road based hybrid since most of the way will be paved roads...

in actual fact... an MTB is much more tougher than a road hybrid making it able to carry on heavy loads especially when you are gone for months...but MTB is also much heavier than a road hybrid making it very tough especially when the road heads up...

an MTB would also be easier to repair as MTB is kind of much more common nowadays...

if you look at examples like the velomads who had been on the road for several years trying to tour the entire globe... you'll see that they use MTBs but with some road parts like drop bars and such... primarily for reasons that they don't know what they will be facing on the road...they need a rough and rugged bike capable of handling everything...



it really depends on what you think... look at the long term... not short... this will be something you need to weigh yourself... are you a dedicated touring rider who will be away for months to ride cross continents... or jus a weekend away riding to some other states and back?

you might need to think of the percentage of time you spend touring vs casual riding since i assume you won't be getting 2 bikes for separate purposes...because you might want to convert your touring bike into your daily or weekend rider or vice versa and you don't want to regret getting the wrong bike for the long term.. some compromises have to be made in one way or another....

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 6 2012, 06:39 PM

pain is a part of the game...

in terms of puncture on road slicks... that is a given as 700c road slicks have thinner rubber and also a thinner kevlar casing... unless you are running knobbies... MTB road slicks are susceptible to punctures as well.. it just depends on what debris you hit...

as i mentioned, MTB will always be made tougher but at the expense of heavier weight which in turn require more effort to move the bike along..

t(t)

woi... at least you got some unused thing to sell off in the first place... and that unused thing didn't fall from the sky ma... i got jack shit to sell to fund my corima mcc's....

garang sound... wait till you hear the chris king R45s... hahahhaa the price of the hub alone almost can tarpau your FR0

if rolf prima paired spoke wheels and lightweight were to have sex... this will be their offspring...

SWWEEEEEETTTT!!!

dun taruh poison la... affect people judgement
303 firecrest tubular, 1200grams

balcony exposed to the weather and thieves...sumbat into store room or hang it in your room lar...

after kena stolen... bebola also kecut....

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 7 2012, 09:31 AM

wah.. wat gym open at 5.45am ohh? got special happy hour service one is it...

my RM2 more sound solution.. open freehub, dig out all grease... throw sand in.. guarantee sound so damn garang you will jump off your bike...

no offense, but... it's crazy to buy sound with $$$ i like the days of shimano's silent clutch hubs (and we had to pay more for silent clutch hubs)... those were the fad back then... no sound = serenity... enjoy scenery and shit.. nowadays... all things terbalik adi... WTF world???

some annoyances (to me at least)

in order of price...

fulcrum


CK R45


the rest of the giler expensive hubs... tune, extralite and so on...

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Added on August 7, 2012, 10:37 amactually... the analogy of the sound is not intentionally made... but rather depending on the amount of pawls and engagement points...

for example.. the conventional hubs have around 24 engagement points with 3 pawls... zipp and DT i think has something like 36 engagement points... chris king around 72 points simultaneous engagement with their proprietary ring drive... industry nine has 120 points but 9 point simultaneous engagement...

all this makes for some crazy sound at the expense of a thinning wallet...

oh yea.. i9 sound..

from their road range...


This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 7 2012, 10:37 AM

i can already imagine the response of your wife...

never sit before aeroplane... online buy... count or not?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/

frankly... buat susah la.. bringing back the bike will pose a problem.. might have to buy the expensive carry case there to transport the bike... then you end up with no more warranty when you bring it back...

save a couple hundred.. but risk losing a lot in the long term

This post has been edited by butthead: Aug 7 2012, 11:50 AM

wahsai... sked me... 5.45am gym... the trainer sure like zombie li tat...

auditor is li tat la... your company hired her to come hand out some pain to you guys so it reminds you that life with your bosses is like a cruise ship... management strategies mah... didn't you read the book??? i feel in this world there is 2 jobs that kena a lot of cursing one... 1) income tax officer and 2)auditors...

not only they demand tons and tons of paperwork when people is telling everyone to go green and use less paper (sure they next time go toilet no toilet paper to use, karma)... they also drill into tons of bullshit asking idiotic questions...

i kena before.. totally got nothing to do with me or my dept.. not sure why that 1 line of item fall into the list of audited items... that case, seriously... dunno want to laugh or get mad.. and mind you, the auditor is auditing for asset sighting... pointed out this 1 line to me "renovation -> 200k" and asked me... "can you show me what is this"... i was like WTF in my mind... renovation la pundet... you not blind or illiterate is it? still demanded me to show it... so, apa boleh buat... just point around the floor and ceiling la... li tat the fella also satisfied...

friggin pointless exercise this is... why not go drill into something like that RM20k being masked as stationaries where the boss actually spent it buying double headed dildos jus for the fun of it???

RM400k... susah leh... condo somemore.. and in KL... mana ada la nowadays... condo's are either super luxury or super unaffordable... people wanna live the good life adi...

RM400k... apartment saje ade... i think the puchong side there after passing by the LDP toll and across the bridge... left side, masuk a bit near telekom there got some apartments... no lift, 4 or 5 floors... only selling RM120k... couple years ago.. only RM60k... i was like WTF... should have bought 1 and sell it now.. untung a couple of BMC Team Machine SLRs...

u goin there for a very long time? i am sure there is a lot of bike shops there.. especially london since they promote cycling very heavily...