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post Aug 10 2012, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 10 2012, 05:00 PM)
talks about protein shake... friend said those sells in GNC are not pure and not high grade one.
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herbalife got protein shake, member ada discount lagi
but i'm not member doh.gif
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post Aug 10 2012, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(joonming @ Aug 10 2012, 05:18 PM)
herbalife got protein shake, member ada discount lagi
but i'm not member doh.gif
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wtf.. hopefully my friend is not into the MLM thing...

i no feel good on this kind of MLM thingy...
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post Aug 10 2012, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 10 2012, 04:57 PM)
drank berroca as my pre ride fuel drink  doh.gif
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Berocca FTW, I use it as my drink during PD tri too, also plus Glucose.
Well I'm cheapskate I guess haha

Berocca RM1.50 + water
Glucose 1 big can RM10 + water

cheaper than 2x power gel, RM12
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post Aug 10 2012, 08:52 PM

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Hmmmm... Hey guys... I wanted to take my cycling as my new hobby... Can I know which brand of bike suitable for beginner..?? Of course I dont want it to be so costly... Thanks... :-D
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Aug 10 2012, 05:31 PM)
Berocca FTW, I use it as my drink during PD tri too, also plus Glucose.
Well I'm cheapskate I guess haha

Berocca RM1.50 + water
Glucose 1 big can RM10 + water

cheaper than 2x power gel, RM12
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You put your berroca into your drinking bottle and drink while riding or prior to cycling?
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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 7 2012, 10:45 PM)

the only reason like i mention to take fulcrum for myself is because i know that i will have backing in case my wheel goes kaput...  not for any value or performance reasons... for you... the factors might be varyingly different...
depends on what you want... do you want low profile or slightly aero wheels?

Racing 5 and 7 are low profile wheels with only 24mm rim height, considered a different lineup to the quattro... while the racing quattro is fulcrum's try at alloy aero clinchers...and they are 35mm in height which is very hard to produce rims of such height and quite unheard off..

looking at on the sheet performance (i haven't ridden the quattros yet, but i owned before a set of 1st gen R7s) it could possibly be a stiffer wheel than either R5 or R7 due to bulkier rim...and at 1700 grams.. they are surprisingly lighter than the R5 too...

Quattros have 4 spokes less on the front wheel than the R5 and similar 21 spokes at the rear... this part baffles me as i am not sure how they saved the weight using a rim with more mass... i didn't really taken note to see if the quattro is using exactly the same hub as R5... but it does give some features like anti spoke rotation which is not on the R5 but the higher end model R3 2-way fit....

aesthetically.. i think the quattro is much fancier as well as you can clearly see the branding more with a taller rim... and the white "fulcrum" lettering looks good when the wheel is spinning... i am a sucker for spinning white letterings...

price wise.. i think the quattro is roughly around the range of R5 pricing at RM1.1k... the R7 is around RM700.. which is cheaper, but also a heavier set of wheels...

i guess your choice if you can afford is either the R5 or quattro.. and the R5 being a more expensive model if i am not wrong despite the quattro looking to beat it on paper... this in effect makes the quattro quite a worthy purchase....


Added on August 7, 2012, 10:58 pmi got a shock of my life.. wanscycle is selling the quattro at RM880 and R5 at RM710...DANG

racing quattro
http://www.wanscycle.com/web/node/634

racing 5
http://www.wanscycle.com/web/node/609
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I think i will pick quattro. What is the actual price for the quattros in malaysia market eh?

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QUOTE(joonming @ Aug 10 2012, 03:48 PM)
just snake king , together w sales person

Dell sales person only go back office every Monday for sales meeting...
Friday for them can be off, but Quarter end ..... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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i am so going to dell for my next job...

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 10 2012, 05:00 PM)
talks about protein shake... friend said those sells in GNC are not pure and not high grade one.
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is there such a thing as high grade protein shake? wats the difference...

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 10 2012, 05:22 PM)
wtf.. hopefully my friend is not into the MLM thing...

i no feel good on this kind of MLM thingy...
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no one feels good about MLM except MLMers...

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Aug 10 2012, 05:31 PM)
Berocca FTW, I use it as my drink during PD tri too, also plus Glucose.
Well I'm cheapskate I guess haha

Berocca RM1.50 + water
Glucose 1 big can RM10 + water

cheaper than 2x power gel, RM12
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dafug... i got kopiko sweets + cold water only...

QUOTE(KKLOO @ Aug 10 2012, 08:52 PM)
Hmmmm... Hey guys... I wanted to take my cycling as my new hobby... Can I know which brand of bike suitable for beginner..?? Of course I dont want it to be so costly... Thanks... :-D
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any reputable brand is good... no point asking brands since everyone has an opinion on it.. but most importantly... what budget do you consider not costly?

at today's level.... for a total newbie... expect to fork at least RM2 to RM2.5k depending on MTB or road bike.. that includes, bikes.. biking gear and accessories

QUOTE(yuanyi @ Aug 10 2012, 11:13 PM)
I think i will pick quattro. What is the actual price for the quattros in malaysia market eh?
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in wanscycle.. it is shown as RM880... in the shops.. RM1.1k on the retail price tag.. how much after discount, i don't know...
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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 10 2012, 11:44 PM)
any reputable brand is good... no point asking brands since everyone has an opinion on it.. but most importantly... what budget do you consider not costly?

at today's level.... for a total newbie... expect to fork at least RM2 to RM2.5k depending on MTB or road bike.. that includes, bikes.. biking gear and accessories

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Hmm... 2-2.5k will sound reasonable for me... I was thinking if I know some brand I would narrow my search and it will be easier... Cause brand like Giant, Colnago etc etc definitely will not meet my requirement.. laugh.gif laugh.gif

So I was thinking about Exitway or Polygon... I these are some least famous brand that suit newbies..?? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(KKLOO @ Aug 11 2012, 03:30 AM)
Hmm... 2-2.5k will sound reasonable for me... I was thinking if I know some brand I would narrow my search and it will be easier... Cause brand like Giant, Colnago etc etc definitely will not meet my requirement..  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

So I was thinking about Exitway or Polygon... I these are some least famous brand that suit newbies..??  biggrin.gif
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stay away from exitway... U can look at at polygon, khs & merida..slightly fancier & pricier...u can take a look at scott, avanti maybe..
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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 11 2012, 11:01 AM)
stay away from exitway... U can look at at polygon, khs & merida..slightly fancier & pricier...u can take a look at scott, avanti maybe..
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Ohh... Thanks for the advice... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

But I thought Exitway from USA should be better than Polygon..?? And exitway bikes comes with mavic wheels i see... hmm.gif hmm.gif

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post Aug 11 2012, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(KKLOO @ Aug 11 2012, 03:30 AM)
Hmm... 2-2.5k will sound reasonable for me... I was thinking if I know some brand I would narrow my search and it will be easier... Cause brand like Giant, Colnago etc etc definitely will not meet my requirement..  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

So I was thinking about Exitway or Polygon... I these are some least famous brand that suit newbies..??  biggrin.gif
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Giant vs Colnago cant compare light to light... it's different level.


QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 11 2012, 11:01 AM)
stay away from exitway... U can look at at polygon, khs & merida..slightly fancier & pricier...u can take a look at scott, avanti maybe..
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if u want pologon, can visit RodaLink, Merida visit Pedalsport, Scott can visit KH Cycle at Damansara Perdana.


QUOTE(KKLOO @ Aug 11 2012, 12:26 PM)
Ohh... Thanks for the advice...  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif

But I thought Exitway from USA should be better than Polygon..?? And exitway bikes comes with mavic wheels i see...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Brand can be from US, but manufacturer mostly done in China.

We are looking forward to your 1st bike. I thinks we all are happy to guide you on any cycling difficulties...
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post Aug 11 2012, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(KKLOO @ Aug 11 2012, 12:26 PM)
Ohh... Thanks for the advice...  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif

But I thought Exitway from USA should be better than Polygon..?? And exitway bikes comes with mavic wheels i see...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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i never heard that exitway is from the US... if it is.. and the products looks like what it is now.. then, it is quite disappointing...

exitway does not have a big brand presence, just take a look at their dealer list and you understand why... that is the sole reason that for the same amount of money you spend.. . you get a better spec'ed equipment on the exitway bike than more reputable brands, based on the first look and on paper.... this however, does not consider the quality of the frame or the efforts put into designing and engineering and not to mention production quality of the frame itself...

polygon, for me is actually no far better than exitway in some ways.. but it has a big force behind it pushing it's presence... while it did not make a lot of fuss about what technology goes into their frames and using a lot of marketing strategies... they at least have quite a big support in the brand and if you visit indonesia... they have polygon concept shops scattered over the country....

merida.. also not as famous as some other big brands like Trek, Specialized... but they are similar to Giant as they are a very big OEM, ODM for even some of the top brands in cycling... so, they know how to make bikes through the years working with the big guns...

also, i am not saying that this will happen.. but you have to plan for it in case you realize that you actually don't like the sport after acquiring a bike... this is where the resale value for an exitway vs. a Polygon, Merida, KHS, Fuji or Scott comes into play...

so... from this point onwards... you have to weigh your options wisely.. one is superb value for money on paper.. the other is a reputable brand that provides excellent design and manufacturing...

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 11 2012, 12:39 PM)
Brand can be from US, but manufacturer mostly done in China.
maybe some cinaman go US start a company but manufacturing is done in china leh... macam apple dulu... "Design in California, Made in China"... see adi potong stim maximum...especially when you spend RM6k buying a rubishing laptop from them...

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 11 2012, 12:39 PM)
I thinks we all are happy to guide you on any cycling difficulties...
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except paying for the bill tongue.gif




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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Aug 11 2012, 12:39 PM)
Giant vs Colnago cant compare light to light... it's different level.
if u want pologon, can visit RodaLink, Merida visit Pedalsport, Scott can visit KH Cycle at Damansara Perdana.
Brand can be from US, but manufacturer mostly done in China.

We are looking forward to your 1st bike. I thinks we all are happy to guide you on any cycling difficulties...
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I think mostly I will head to rodalink to lookout for Polygon first cause I think merida & scott out of my budget...

And thanks for the advice... Will be back if I got any problem.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


Added on August 11, 2012, 4:23 pm
QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 11 2012, 04:12 PM)
i never heard that exitway is from the US... if it is.. and the products looks like what it is now.. then, it is quite disappointing...

exitway does not have a big brand presence, just take a look at their dealer list and you understand why... that is the sole reason that for the same amount of money you spend.. . you get a better spec'ed equipment on the exitway bike than more reputable brands, based on the first look and on paper.... this however, does not consider the quality of the frame or the efforts put into designing and engineering and not to mention production quality of the frame itself...

polygon, for me is actually no far better than exitway in some ways.. but it has a big force behind it pushing it's presence... while it did not make a lot of fuss about what technology goes into their frames and using a lot of marketing strategies... they at least have quite a big support in the brand and if you visit indonesia... they have polygon concept shops scattered over the country....

merida.. also not as famous as some other big brands like Trek, Specialized... but they are similar to Giant as they are a very big OEM, ODM for even some of the top brands in cycling... so, they know how to make bikes through the years working with the big guns...

also, i am not saying that this will happen.. but you have to plan for it in case you realize that you actually don't like the sport after acquiring a bike... this is where the resale value for an exitway vs. a Polygon, Merida, KHS, Fuji or Scott comes into play...

so... from this point onwards... you have to weigh your options wisely.. one is superb value for money on paper.. the other is a reputable brand that provides excellent design and manufacturing...
maybe some cinaman go US start a company but manufacturing is done in china leh... macam apple dulu... "Design in California, Made in China"... see adi potong stim maximum...especially when you spend RM6k buying a rubishing laptop from them...
except paying for the bill  tongue.gif
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HAHA... After seeing at you guys experience... I think I will look for polygon first... But definately will not plan to sell it in future even though if cycling spirit gone cause anyhow the bike still useful for me to travel around or recreation... LOL...


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Scott maybe a bit too far away considering having to purchase full gear...

Merida still possible i think...go take a look and see what they offer you first before deciding... as the decision also causes you to stick to that particular shop due to after sales service... sometimes it is worth to pay just that little bit more because you find 1 particular shop better than the other even thought the price is slightly higher...

it's a long term relationship if this hobby becomes a permanent..
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did another 20km with my buddies today around the city bike loop. It may seems short but there are hell lot of hills to climb. Since i don have the stamina i find myself short of breath rclxub.gif I enjoyed the ride by marred by accident where i try to bunny hop over the road kerb onto the bikeway as i unintentionally go into the main road (quiet road). My knee pad did the job this time and i end up only having minor elbow cuts.

Another lesson learn as a newbie biggrin.gif rclxub.gif

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Hi guys. I'm interested in taking part in cycling and eventually triathlon.
need your opinions on my first road bike purchase.
should I get
1. simple low model bike that cost about 1.8k
or
2. better bike with shimano tiagra or 105 for about 3.8k

my heart is for choice 2 though bit out of my initial 2k plus budget. just wonder if it is worth the investment since I ve not tried road cycling before. afraid that the I will not b satisfied with the lower model after some time. dilemma!!

thanks for the opinions experts
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guys i am confused here, there are too many brand like merrin, polygon,bmc,ghost,hasa brand. how to know which brand are high end and mid range?

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After testing and comparing Fulcrum Racing 3 & Amaint RD30 at the shop, I ended up wth Amaint... lighter than racing 3 and no diff interm of smoothness... well and almost 1/2 the price diff rclxms.gif Now my bike confirmed below 8kg liao rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(sunghajung11 @ Aug 11 2012, 07:10 PM)
Hi guys. I'm interested in taking part in cycling and eventually triathlon.
need your opinions on my first road bike purchase.
should I get
1. simple low model bike that cost about 1.8k
or
2. better bike with shimano tiagra or 105 for about 3.8k

my heart is for choice 2 though bit out of my initial 2k plus budget.  just wonder if it is worth the investment since I ve not tried road cycling before. afraid that the I will not b satisfied with the lower model after some time. dilemma!!

thanks for the opinions experts
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the idiots answer to your question is "always get the best you can afford to"... whether it is RM3.8k or RM13.8k...

but, the big question is... would you find yourself itching to make changes / upgrades to the bike if you buy one that is under RM2k... an 1.8k bike with a full 105 groupo swap will land you a RM2k debt easily... of course, you can make some money back by selling your old parts and stuff.. but, why the hassle?

then comes the 2nd question and this will make your life even more difficult.. since you are considering tri.. are you considering a tri-specific setup or a normal road bike setup with drop bars and clip on aerobars? (assuming you don't want to spend on having 2 bikes) latter is the more common route for budget people since the bike can be used for training and racing despite some setbacks...

if you will be looking for base bar-aero bar setups with bar end shifters... 10-speed is definitely the way to go for a new bike since there is no longer 9-speed bar end shifters in the KL market anymore... all shimano units are 10-speed dura ace units... and with 10-speed.... it is easier for you to find more varieties in cassette options... i know quite a lot of the endurance fellas run with 11-23 cassettes and you won't find that easily on a 9-speed cassette even if you want to (at least not easily)..

the best guys to ask for their setup and experience i guess would be sky and vin_ann since both of them do a bit of endurance events with their bikes..

QUOTE(nightzstar @ Aug 11 2012, 07:19 PM)
guys i am confused here, there are too many brand like merrin, polygon,bmc,ghost,hasa brand. how to know which brand are high end and mid range?
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most brands offer an entry level, mid-range and high end bikes...

question is.. which brand is more expensive? for example, the likes of bmc, trek, specialized, scott, pinarello's are all sort of boutique brands and their cheapest bike would be considerably more expensive than brands like KHS, Fuji, Merida, Polygon...

it is hard to tell since you don't know the market that well... and most of this brand sites don't actually list MSRP on their bikes...


Added on August 11, 2012, 10:16 pm
QUOTE(stimix @ Aug 11 2012, 07:39 PM)
After testing and comparing Fulcrum Racing 3 & Amaint RD30 at the shop, I ended up wth Amaint... lighter than racing 3 and no diff interm of smoothness... well and almost 1/2 the price diff  rclxms.gif Now my bike confirmed below 8kg liao  rclxm9.gif
bet you're happy like a kid in a candy store... how much does the wheel cost?

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allrights thks butthead, tomolo bicycle hunting~~~

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