sorry if the info misled u. price was for a frameset

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Added on November 7, 2012, 12:17 ampro or amateur or weekend warrior, doesn't matter. if can afford, why not. simple as that. for example, if u find an amazing deal on an sworks frameset, would u still skip it just because u r not a pro n u don't need the monstrous stiffness? we don't actually need all the high tech that goes into the bike, but it would be nice to have it nonetheless.

anyway, what do u mean by the right frame size? subjective la. to me, the right frame size is one size smaller.

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 7 2012, 12:23 AM

Ah okay, you really make me freak up lol :swt:

This post has been edited by minizian: Nov 7 2012, 12:22 AM

as you can see from the chart, the difference from sworks and normal specialize is only quite small... again it is chasing minor percentages....

whether it 2012 or 2013...no big deal... if there is a particular paint scheme you like in 2012 even better...if you like a 2013 , then you have to wait a bit unfortunately

You are right. It's all about the marginal gains here and there. Colors is what's more important to me Any idea on the stiffness differences between 2013 and 2012 Tarmac line?

Seems like my future lbs doesn't has stocks for the model and colors that I want. They have SL4 Tarmac pro mid compact Ui2 in white and red specialized stickers which I think is ugly.

And they have the murdered out Sworks venge which is out of the question and my budget although the owner is really keen of getting me to test ride his own venge. But I'm not going to be there for a long time and despite the terrain and group ride which consists of a fast flat route I really don't favor the venge.

I'll be back in Malaysia for sure and needed a do it all bike as I favor climbing more and hence would really love the sl4 with Red grouppos..so yes I have to wait until next year it seems.. You cant have it all your way..Sigh

This post has been edited by mrjgx: Nov 7 2012, 09:51 AM

nothing a lot of money can't fix

you can buy the spez here and use the case to bring it there

the problem is that the venge is not going to be as stiff as the tarmac even with much more bigger tubes all around... but the bigger tubes is causing a much rougher ride which sounds contradicting... i don't know how that works.. but that is the general consensus between the owners of this 2 bikes...

2013 and 2012? beats me... most probably the difference is even lesser than you think... they didn't mentioned any changes at all... most likely visual appearances only...

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 7 2012, 02:20 PM

You are right about the venge. At least all the reviews I read stating that Tarmac is much stiffer than the former.

Anyway, is there a possibility that my current setup compact crank 50/34 and 11-32T cassette will be at a disadvantage with others riding a flat route setup (normal crank, 11 spd, 25T etc?) on a flat route course or time trialling?

I believe the ratio will be difference.

This post has been edited by mrjgx: Nov 7 2012, 04:42 PM

i've seen a guy riding on a compact setup, struggled to keep up with a fast group pace.

of course... you lose top end speed although by not a lot... i mean.. who can sustain 60kph for long stretches...

the thing is not a disadvantage... but rather a problem with finding the right gear when cruising along... you might find yourself in a situation that one gear up and the pedal stroke is too heavy and one gear down and you're spinning too fast...

that is always the problem with wide ratio cassettes...

some people might feel it.. some people don't... it depends which one you are...

I guess so! Then must have 2 bikes lor..hehe. 1 for climbing 1 for TT.

Btw, any recommendation for a good padded bibshorts? 90km on castelli cervelo bib is not comforting enough. Huhu painful

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Added on November 7, 2012, 4:59 pmAha..that summarized it all. What about mid-compact then? Like all the standard kitted to the Tarmac series.

This post has been edited by mrjgx: Nov 7 2012, 04:59 PM

what's wrong? chafing? have u tried using chamois cream?

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 7 2012, 05:01 PM

53 - 36T? err... up to your preference..but it doesn't solve the cadence problems created by the wide ratio cassette...

put chunky peanut butter... cheaper alternative... and after ride.. can buy some bread and spread on it to makan


it'll become smooth peanut butter post ride

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 7 2012, 05:10 PM

fak man..... that's so disturbing

Not chaffing man..lol. It's the dreaded butthead. Eh wrong. Butt pain.

Eh is butt pain caused by poor padding of the bib or the saddle shape not suitable?

This post has been edited by mrjgx: Nov 7 2012, 05:15 PM

butt pain tukar saddle la

wats so disturbing???

if i were to put this pic with that peanut butter sandwich side by side.. then it'd be disturbing...

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Added on November 7, 2012, 5:17 pmproblem with not enough meat...

i thought butt pain kasi tukar butt... or everday kasi SM until no feel anymore.. sit on saddle with thumbtacks also no feel that time...

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 7 2012, 05:18 PM

fak... i think i'll skip dinner

you see... i am a weight loss expert... even marie france bodyline and christy chung will go out of business soon...

and you have to thank me because you will ride so much faster next week with the weight you lost...

* don't freak out lar miao... that is just the grease paper from a char siu pau... and those brownish thing is the remnants of the pau filling itself... why would you think a girl would stick her tongue out and go near a dirty diaper... it's gross you know... practically a PR disaster for her if her friends found out...

see the relation?



appetite back???

hope i don't need to sell you some appetton weight gain some months down the road... my weight loss methods are rather unorthodox but effective...

it could be some curry pau as well...



you know how those stuff gets so sloppy and all over the place...

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Added on November 7, 2012, 5:34 pmdreaded eh...

dread this...


ayam the law

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Added on November 7, 2012, 5:36 pmdamn...no more nutella at home...

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Added on November 7, 2012, 5:43 pmhere is a nice article on standard vs compact crank... not the cassette... jus comparing the crank with the smallest cog at the rear..

Are you man enough... to use a compact?

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 7 2012, 05:43 PM

Wow. Grape-o-pubic. Ahaha that's gross man!

no hope for mankind.....

there has never been hope..

didn't you watch "the day the earth stood still"... that is why klaatu had to come and destroy earth...

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Added on November 7, 2012, 6:00 pmsweet grapes of nature...

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Added on November 7, 2012, 6:31 pmk dudes... i am sorry i spoiled your appetites...

here is something to cheer up your day..



This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 7 2012, 06:31 PM