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post Jul 29 2012, 07:26 PM, updated 8y ago

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http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...448&sec=central

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Proposed bus route to ease congestion on Federal Highway
By TAN KARR WEI
karrwei@thestar.com.my

THE Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) will be seeking public feedback on the proposed Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) next month.

“We have already engaged the public on this matter and we expect to put up a public display for feedback and comments by August,” said SPAD chief development officer Azmi Abdul Aziz during a buka puasa event at the Sime Darby Convention Centre in Kuala Lumpur.

Also present at the event were SPAD chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar and chief executive officer Mohd Nur Kamal.

The BRT is aimed at easing traffic congestion along the Federal Highway.

The first phase of the 17km alignment will start at an integrated station at the Batu Tiga Komuter station in Shah Alam, with dedicated bus lanes going along the median of the Federal Highway.

Strategic stops have been planned along the highway such as near Subang Jaya, Sunway Mentari, Asia Jaya LRT and Universiti LRT stations, with the route ending at Central Market.

“Some areas are not well connected to the LRT lines. The aim is for the buses to provide seamless travel for commuters.

“The buses will travel along the dedicated routes before joining existing bus lanes in the city centre.

“We are still discussing the possibility of going into the Mid Valley Megamall area and through Brickfields because those are high-traffic areas,” said Azmi.

He said the route would eventually connect to the North Klang bus teminal, allowing Klang commuters to travel to Kuala Lumpur city centre or switch to LRT and Kommuter stations along the way.


He disclosed that SPAD had held discussions with stakeholders who would be affected by the construction of the stations and lanes, and it had encountered a lot of resistance to the project.

“A lot of people do not see the benefits that the BRT will bring in the long run.

“The buses can run very frequently and we are looking at park-and-ride facilities along the highway.

“If motorists get caught in a jam, they will have the option to park their cars and hop on a bus to get to the city centre,” he explained.


Azmi added that the route was expected to be finalised before the end of the year and SPAD would call for tenders then.


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post Jul 29 2012, 07:26 PM

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can keep the bus out of the car lane ar?
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:26 PM)
can keep the bus out of the car lane ar?
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BRT is intended to keep buses out of car lane.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM

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Hell will break loose on Federal

Syed hamid albar did it again
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM

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finally. was talking abt this to the taxi driver the other taim.

they shud applied a designated lane for buses on all highway & strict rules for those heavy trucks too. wink.gif

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM)
BRT is intended to keep buses out of car lane.
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BRT as in special high platform bus or the current RapidKL busses?
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QUOTE(Ducki3s @ Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM)
Hell will break loose on Federal

Syed hamid albar did it again
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I see nothing wrong.

BRT is a tested concept in Jakarta and Guangzhou.

Federal highway is already very congested, but many of them are in private vehicles rather than public transport. Public transport is more efficient, but doesn't work at this moment because buses stuck at the same traffic spot as other vehicles on the highway.

With BRT, buses can finally have their own lanes, increasing the speed and reliability of buses, and that will make commuting using bus even more convenient, reliable and fast.

Sometimes, I still do not find the logic of opposing it, because federal highway will always get jam and if there is nothing to be done, it will get even worse.

At least with BRT, bus will be a lot faster, at the same time, capacity of public transport along the corridor will be much higher.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:28 PM)
BRT as in special high platform bus or the current RapidKL busses?
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If in Jakarta and Johannesburg, it is high platform bus.

For RapidKL BRT, nothing is confirmed. For Sunway BRT, it will be standard 12 m long bus, with no mention of how high the boarding platform will be.
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erection baru nak buat bus lane, kimak x guna punya BN
so carlane minus satu, longer trafik jam then
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Good. Dedicated Bus lane.

Car drivers can burn in jam hell. Save the environment, take public transport.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:32 PM

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Thats good idea.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:33 PM

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Gyeongbu Highway in the making. There is no physical barrier and only a blue line to separate bus from car in korea. i don't know how are they going to implement this.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Pepper @ Jul 29 2012, 07:32 PM)
erection baru nak buat bus lane, kimak x guna punya BN
so carlane minus satu, longer trafik jam then
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Bear in mind, more people driving the car.

If you have faster option of taking public transport, the attractiveness of taking bus will be better and it will lure more people to take public transport.

Adding one more lane for car is pointless, but in just 2 to 3 years if you have that extra car lane, the same congestion will happen or worse as the peripheral roads connecting the highway and the local neighbourhood will remain the same.

Hence the sensible option in longer term to relieve congestion is to add bus lane.
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another failure perhaps.. last time same sheet implemented in KL city centre but i see no difference
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QUOTE(kumanosuke @ Jul 29 2012, 07:35 PM)
another failure perhaps.. last time same sheet implemented in KL city centre but i see no difference
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BRT is different.

In Jakarta case, you have stone barrier and stations just like LRT style. Jakarta so macet can do it, why not KL?

Even Bangkok successfully run BRT.

Sometimes, I wonder if those who oppose BRT, then what is their suggestion that can reduce congestion in longer run? wink.gif
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more jam, e.g see bus lane near mid valley.
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QUOTE(ek9 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:40 PM)
more jam, e.g see bus lane near mid valley.
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It will more than just bus lane.

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QUOTE(ek9 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:40 PM)
more jam, e.g see bus lane near mid valley.
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Like I said, dedicated bus lane and car drivers can go die.
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those who oppose are those who have no intention to take public transport and always travel alone using own car

all hail public transport and those travel alone in one car can go die
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QUOTE(loui @ Jul 29 2012, 07:49 PM)
those who oppose are those who have no intention to take public transport and always travel alone using own car

all hail public transport and those travel alone in one car can go die
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It seems they (car drivers) like to see themselves suffering traffic congestion (afterall traffic volume will always increase) for the rest of the life and see nothing to be done.
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Shiat, more jam.
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QUOTE(harryfoo @ Jul 29 2012, 07:52 PM)
Shiat, more jam.
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One bus can carry 60 people.

60 people = 60 cars.

More efficient.

Do nothing, congestion will be even worse.
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car road users will end up using the bus lanes smile.gif (in bolehland, malaysia)
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QUOTE(instantgeneve @ Jul 29 2012, 07:55 PM)
car road users will end up using the bus lanes smile.gif (in bolehland, malaysia)
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If BRT different story liao.

Enforcement will be much better as BRT lines has control centre ala rail. Enforcement will be very different from normal bus route.

Bangkok, Jakarta can do it.

KL cannot? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:31 PM)
BRT is a tested concept in Jakarta and Guangzhou.

Federal highway is already very congested, but many of them are in private vehicles rather than public transport. Public transport is more efficient, but doesn't work at this moment because buses stuck at the same traffic spot as other vehicles on the highway.

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just fix the damn mentality of our bus drivers is more than enough.
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One benefit to use private car is can go anywhere you want once reach the destination.
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QUOTE(ElaineChewMeow @ Jul 29 2012, 07:59 PM)
One benefit to use private car is can go anywhere you want once reach the destination.
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Roads are congested.

More cars, at the end of the day, even car drivers need to suffer.

KL people are not unique compared to Singaporeans, Bangkokians, Hong Kongers.

If you have efficient transit, not only it will save your time, but also your money. Owning a car is not cheap anyway. Having car-based society is not sustainable.

Developed countries mostly having good transport. China does it. Japan does it. Singapore does it. Malaysia ain't that unique.

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:37 PM)
BRT is different.

In Jakarta case, you have stone barrier and stations just like LRT style. Jakarta so macet can do it, why not KL?

Even Bangkok successfully run BRT.

Sometimes, I wonder if those who oppose BRT, then what is their suggestion that can reduce congestion in longer run?  wink.gif
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then the police let cars and motors use busway lane (in some corridors), so busway lane also jam.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:34 PM)
Bear in mind, more people driving the car.

If you have faster option of taking public transport, the attractiveness of taking bus will be better and it will lure more people to take public transport.

Adding one more lane for car is pointless, but in just 2 to 3 years if you have that extra car lane, the same congestion will happen or worse as the peripheral roads connecting the highway and the local neighbourhood will remain the same.

Hence the sensible option in longer term to relieve congestion is to add bus lane.
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Adding another car lane or not, traffic will definitely increase as private cars will increase. Federal Highway will still be jammed as usual. Creating may help users get to work faster and to travel comfortably.
But my concern is, who is really benefiting from this project ? For a couple of years, while in construction, we have to mind the traffic jams. Meaning, we have to go early to avoid the jams. To avoid Federal Highway, we have to pay tolls. Then after construction, we have to pay money to use it. Dont think it will be very cheap due to current economy. Then, BRT doesn't reach your doorstep, you still have to drive for a distance.
Who is benefiting? The constructor, the project awarding bodies, whoever signs the deal.......
We always end up paying for everything. At the end of the day we always turn out to be the SUCKER right!
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Haha. Bodoh punya project. Later even got bus lane no point when bus takde. Bus not on time because driver lepak or waiting more passenger before Jalan. Definitely will be underutilize and become another songlap project.
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:06 PM)
Adding another car lane or not, traffic will definitely increase as private cars will increase. Federal Highway will still be jammed as usual. Creating may help users get to work faster and to travel comfortably.
But my concern is, who is really benefiting from this project ? For a couple of years, while in construction, we have to mind the traffic jams. Meaning, we have to go early to avoid the jams. To avoid Federal Highway, we have to pay tolls. Then after construction, we have to pay money to use it. Dont think it will be very cheap due to current economy. Then, BRT doesn't reach your doorstep, you still have to drive for a distance.
Who is benefiting? The constructor, the project awarding bodies, whoever signs the deal.......
We always end up paying for everything. At the end of the day we always turn out to be the SUCKER right!
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What is your suggestion to curb congestion then?

At the end of the day, when you have BRT, coupled with fast local buses, congestion will be lower.

This concept proven in Guangzhou and Curitiba.

We should not resign to the fate of letting more cars craming our limited road space. More so on private car traffic which has less carrying capacity than buses.

BRT is cheap. In fact, building BRT system is always 20% of the cost of similar LRT route.

Even if PR wins, BRT will still move ahead, because even MBPJ does suggest BRT is the solution.
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM)
Haha. Bodoh punya project. Later even got bus lane no point when bus takde. Bus not on time because driver lepak or waiting more passenger before Jalan. Definitely will be underutilize and become another songlap project.
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How to reduce congestion?

When you have oppose something, you must have counter proposal anyway wink.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:53 PM)
One bus can carry 60 people.

60 people = 60 cars.

More efficient.

Do nothing, congestion will be even worse.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:26 PM)
car drivers will hate it !

the already jam highway.. now lesser space for cars... lagi jam
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QUOTE(loui @ Jul 29 2012, 07:49 PM)
those who oppose are those who have no intention to take public transport and always travel alone using own car

all hail public transport and those travel alone in one car can go die
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Got somemore space for buslane on Federal?

If all cars use bus lane means sama saja like before.
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM)
Some people getting 60 million richer !
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Suggest something that can reduce congestion then.

The bottomline is to reduce congestion, of which getting chronic on Federal Highway.

Our car volume is getting higher. We have reached WXD or so. Yet road congestion is getting terrible.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM)
How to reduce congestion?

When you have oppose something, you must have counter proposal anyway  wink.gif
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to these people, they'll say everything involves songlap. if a policeman helps an old lady cross the road, they'll find a way to put up a story of how either one of them is songlaping the other
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:12 PM)
car drivers will hate it !

the already jam highway.. now lesser space for cars... lagi jam
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Car drivers are so selfish and short-sighted.

At the end of the day, if nothing being done, congestion will still get worse and they themselves will pay the price of lateness due to congestion.

KL cannot be an utopia for car drivers.
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I prefer more LRT stations.

KTM damn slow
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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:16 PM)
I prefer more LRT stations.

KTM damn slow
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This is BRT.
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Jul 29 2012, 08:15 PM)
to these people, they'll say everything involves songlap. if a policeman helps an old lady cross the road, they'll find a way to put up a story of how either one of them is songlaping the other
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Sometimes I don't know the psyche of some people.

Oppose MRT, say too expensive.

Oppose BRT, cannot.

What do they want?

I begin to think that they are the partly the reason why public transport keep lagging behind.

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 09:17 PM)
This is BRT.
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Is this in Bangkok?

Comparison with conventional bus routes

When available, the dedicated right-of-way lanes of BRT systems allow them an increased average vehicle speed bypassing traffic congestion, to provide more passenger miles with the same number of vehicles and personnel than conventional bus services. A smoother ride can also be expected, because the BRT is not immersed in stop-and-go traffic. BRT services usually feature higher frequency service than conventional routes; Latin American systems rely heavily on short headways to achieve their ridership capacity.
But when compared to normal bus service in mixed traffic, addition of BRT dedicated lanes requires wider roads or reduction of mixed traffic lanes.
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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:20 PM)
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Is this in Bangkok?

Comparison with conventional bus routes

When available, the dedicated right-of-way lanes of BRT systems allow them an increased average vehicle speed bypassing traffic congestion, to provide more passenger miles with the same number of vehicles and personnel than conventional bus services. A smoother ride can also be expected, because the BRT is not immersed in stop-and-go traffic. BRT services usually feature higher frequency service than conventional routes; Latin American systems rely heavily on short headways to achieve their ridership capacity.
But when compared to normal bus service in mixed traffic, addition of BRT dedicated lanes requires wider roads or reduction of mixed traffic lanes.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:15 PM)
Car drivers are so selfish and short-sighted.

At the end of the day, if nothing being done, congestion will still get worse and they themselves will pay the price of lateness due to congestion.

KL cannot be an utopia for car drivers.
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congestion is 1 thing.

but the effective-ness of bus lane on BRT system.

people use Federal highway to their destination, and BRT system might not able to get people to reach their destination.

It's should come with complete BRT system within whole Klang valley...
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:21 PM)
congestion is 1 thing.

but the effective-ness of bus lane on BRT system.

people use Federal highway to their destination, and BRT system might not able to get people to reach their destination.

It's should come with complete BRT system within whole Klang valley...
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:13 PM)
Suggest something that can reduce congestion then.

The bottomline is to reduce congestion, of which getting chronic on Federal Highway.

Our car volume is getting higher. We have reached WXD or so. Yet road congestion is getting terrible.
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Free travel for students and the elderly. Drop 50% of the current charges for others. Volume will definitely increase. Or just price it cheaper for everyone so it makes sense to travel public rather than private. It is logical and sensible.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:19 PM)
Sometimes I don't know the psyche of some people.

Oppose MRT, say too expensive.

bcoz govt dah songlap major cost. much more expensive than other countries.. u know it...  haha...

Oppose BRT, cannot.

bcoz we used to drive Proton cars to get from point A to point B which BRT cant satisfy them...

What do they want?

They want cheap foreign car !

I begin to think that they are the partly the reason why public transport keep lagging behind.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM)
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you know, this is just talk cock on paper.

execution / implementation is the toughest part
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I really like this idea. Our roads are wide enough to accommodate this , I wonder if the bus lanes are raised or blocked with dividers? Because the bus/taxi lane near KL Sentral always have cars going into them.

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM)
BRT is intended to keep buses out of car lane.
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I think he was being sarcastic. I too am skeptical about this. It's a good plan, but typical Malaysian mentality dictates that cars will be tearing up and down the bus lanes whenever there's no policemen on duty. Think of it as a repeat of the women's coaches on the Komuter. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM)
Free travel for students and the elderly. Drop 50% of the current charges for others. Volume will definitely increase. Or just price it cheaper for everyone so it makes sense to travel public rather than private. It is logical and sensible.
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Students already has Rapidpass Pelajar.

Elderly already has Rapidpass discount.

Demand for public transport rises, but where is the capacity to support it?

It is like having 100,000 in neighbourhood relying on one single DSLAM for broadband.

Also, students and elderly population are much lower than working adults. Working adults formed the majority of traffic on highway, not students or elderly.

The issue of using public transport is not due to cost. It is more on punctuality, frequency and reliability. And bear in mind bus had run very slow on highway which is congested.


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I really like this idea. Our roads are wide enough to accommodate this , I wonder if the bus lanes are raised or blocked with dividers? Because the bus/taxi lane near KL Sentral always have cars going into them.
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Free travel for students and the elderly. Drop 50% of the current charges for others. Volume will definitely increase. Or just price it cheaper for everyone so it makes sense to travel public rather than private. It is logical and sensible.
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its not. students and the elderly are segments who currently use public transport, compared to working adults. for working adults, price is not a concern (after all, they can buy cars) as much as comfort and convenience. i dont think reducing bus fare by RM1 ringgit per journey will make car users go "yeah, i'll totally ride the bus now".

so effectively, current users benefit, without any appreciable improvements in road congestion.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:24 PM)
you know, this is just talk cock on paper.

execution / implementation is the toughest part
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Sunway BRT and federal highway BRT will among to be the first.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:23 PM)
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Congestion, congestion.

Not sure if one would be sane to spend two hours on road stuck in congestion. It is already happening in LDP and Sprint.
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its good to have dedicated bus lane!!!
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:19 PM)
Sometimes I don't know the psyche of some people.

Oppose MRT, say too expensive.

Oppose BRT, cannot.

What do they want?

I begin to think that they are the partly the reason why public transport keep lagging behind.
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To support the fact that working adults formed the highest percentage of commuters, here is the age distribution of Malaysian population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Malaysia

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Age Structure^:
0–14 years: 29.6% (male 4,118,086/female 3,884,403)
15–64 years: 65.4% (male 7,838,166/female 7,785,833)
65 years and over: 5% (male 526,967/female 667,831) (2011 est.)
Net migration rate: -0.37 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2012 est.)


This shows, we can at the very least, you have more than 50% of Malaysians are within working age.
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:33 PM)
Nothing personal, are you a public transport user?
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I am public transport user. I also have driving licence, I do drive too.
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I am public transport user. I also have driving licence, I do drive too.
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I hope we can have CRT too... Cyclist Rapid Transit for those who like to ride bicycle biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:34 PM)
I am public transport user. I also have driving licence, I do drive too.
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Like I said nothing personal, BUT I am more concern to who is really benefiting from this project? Can they be transparent in the costing of the project?

I am a public transport user too but I think public transport service here is not efficient. Projects will be completed as to whether public like it or not cause some people already got richer but where is the efficiency?

All I want is to travel on time, without a burn in my pocket, and reach safely even in the wee hours in the day.
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Like I said nothing personal, BUT I am more concern to who is really benefiting from this project? Can they be transparent in the costing of the project?

I am a public transport user too but I think public transport service here is not efficient. Projects will be completed as to whether public like it or not cause some people already got richer but where is the efficiency?

All I want is to travel on time, without a burn in my pocket, and reach safely even in the wee hours in the day.
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It is too early to comment on cost when the full brief is not even being mentioned yet.

However, it is evident many buses travelling on congested Federal Highway had its average speed being reduced due to congestion.

Fair to argue about effectiveness, but to argue on cost is premature, because we don't even know the cost yet.

The first BRT won't be in federal highway, but in Bdr Sunway.

Its effectiveness will serve as test bed for BRT for the rest of Klang Valley.

BRT is unique in the sense of bus designated as BRT buses can use and operate on the line. Enforcement can be done real time as there is central command centre, just like LRT line.

In the case of Sunway BRT (6 km long), there would be 15 buses just to serve one line.
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I hope we can have CRT too... Cyclist Rapid Transit for those who like to ride bicycle biggrin.gif
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I'd support you too. Even though my workplace is >15km from home. Some party would need to provide some changing/bathing facilities, however. biggrin.gif
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if only the bus driver "behave". If like metro bus, waiting passengers too long, then that kind of concept will fail.

U can see example like that (sort of) beside Sogo.
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And also, how to make sure other drivers stay away from the bus lane?

Eg.
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QUOTE(thienzieyung @ Jul 30 2012, 01:10 PM)
And also, how to make sure other drivers stay away from the bus lane?
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If it is run as BRT, then the enforcement will be a lot stricter, as there will be a central command centre just like LRT line.

An example in Transmilenio BRT system in Colombia.

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Secondly, stone barrier. As in Transjakarta.

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BRT is operationally different from a normal bus lane, because:

A) Only BRT buses allowed to operate on line, not regular bus, so this is just like a rail line

B) Stations are same as LRT, as in air-conditioned

C) Ticketing system is pre-paid before you board, just like LRT

D) BRT line has command centre, for better enforcement, just like LRT line too

Jakarta has even worse traffic mentality, yet they have been running BRT for many years wink.gif

Many people still do not know the concept of BRT (bus rapid transit), which is completely different from a normal bus lane. smile.gif

In Nigeria, even army officers had been fined for misusing the lane.

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car road users will end up using the bus lanes smile.gif (in bolehland, malaysia)
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This BRT will affect users of LDP big time!
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I somewhat doubt they will have a solid plan to implement this.

Even if they do, with the idiotic way malaysia plans their construction, they will cause the federal highway to jam for 3 years while the construction of the BRT is on the way.

The stupid new proposed LRT already causing roads to change from 3 lane to 2 lanes.

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This BRT will affect users of LDP big time!
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LDP users will have the option of taking LRT extension, which mostly parallels LDP alignment.

At the same time, the BRT network of KL will be very extensive.

At least 12 BRT lines, coupled with 3 MRT lines and proposed third LRT line, with extra buses, will certainly make public transport a more viable option.

Besides, if you have BRT line, you speed up buses which has higher carrying capacity, making buses more reliable and frequent plus buses no longer have to occupy all lanes of the highway.

Mind set has to change.
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 01:40 PM)
I somewhat doubt they will have a solid plan to implement this.

Even if they do, with the idiotic way malaysia plans their construction, they will cause the federal highway to jam for 3 years while the construction of the BRT is on the way.

The stupid new proposed LRT already causing roads to change from 3 lane to 2 lanes.
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By the end, you will get LRT that will cater 500,000 people.

Inside USJ, there will be elevated BRT too.

Maybe they could have done road expansion earlier, but I doubt it can be done in USJ, where there is lack of space for that.

Elevated work shall end by next year. Then the rest should be track laying.

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 01:42 PM)
LDP users will have the option of taking LRT extension, which mostly parallels LDP alignment.

At the same time, the BRT network of KL will be very extensive.

At least 12 BRT lines, coupled with 3 MRT lines and proposed third LRT line, with extra buses, will certainly make public transport a more viable option.

Besides, if you have BRT line, you speed up buses which has higher carrying capacity, making buses more reliable and frequent plus buses no longer have to occupy all lanes of the highway.

Mind set has to change.
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BRT can only be implemented after LRT is ready right? They can't do it now as it will stop everything!
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I went to Brisbane recently .They got this stuff since a couple of years back very organized as at the tail of the suburbs there are bus lanes on the highways connecting to the CBD =)
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 01:45 PM)
By the end, you will get LRT that will cater 500,000 people.

Inside USJ, there will be elevated BRT too.

Maybe they could have done road expansion earlier, but I doubt it can be done in USJ, where there is lack of space for that.

Elevated work shall end by next year. Then the rest should be track laying.
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What I meant is, they should have more of an overall solution planned rather than 1 project at a time.

If the construction is already on the way, wouldnt it make sense to expand the number of lanes on our highways as well ?

Look at the bigger picture rather than just the LRT.

No doubt, the LRT will help congestion and the BRT as well, but it wouldnt hurt to fix up the roads and highways as well ?

Its more of a lifestyle choice rather than being forced into it.

Singapore is literally a douche bag with its excessive COE tax to even buy a car.

It is indeed sometimes a better option to take a car rather than the lrt, and it even applies in Singapore which has an excellent public transportation system in place.
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BRT can only be implemented after LRT is ready right? They can't do it now as it will stop everything!
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Depends on which area.

The first BRT line will be introduced is Sunway BRT. From KTM Setia Jaya to Kelana Jaya line extension station no.8 in USJ.

The second BRT line would be Federal Highway.

Initially, there was a plan to introduce MRT line from KL to Klang, but this was rule out due to cost.

Right now, the plan for KL-Klang corridor would be:

- Federal Highway BRT

- KTM Metro
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 01:50 PM)
What I meant is, they should have more of an overall solution planned rather than 1 project at a time.

If the construction is already on the way, wouldnt it make sense to expand the number of lanes on our highways as well ?

Look at the bigger picture rather than just the LRT.

No doubt, the LRT will help congestion and the BRT as well, but it wouldnt hurt to fix up the roads and highways as well ?

Its more of a lifestyle choice rather than being forced into it.

Singapore is literally a douche bag with its excessive COE tax to even buy a car.

It is indeed sometimes a better option to take a car rather than the lrt, and it even applies in Singapore which has an excellent public transportation system in place.
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Any road expansion must cater transit lane, because in reality, even if you add another lane, the congestion will remain the same for two reasons:

- Klang Valley vehicle sales is very high

- In just few years, congestion will remain the same or even worse

A case study is in Bandar Utama. The overhead bridge on top of highway near Damansara Toll Plaza. It was 2 lanes, then upgraded to 3 lanes. Yet congestion is still chronic. A 2 km section may take 20 minutes just to clear the path which means even lane expansion will not cater traffic growth as well as solving congestion smile.gif

Government road planning is not known, though from what I gather, they are more interested in building bypass highways such as Damansara-Shah Alam Expresswawy, Kuala Lumpur Outer Ring Road, SKVE and so on.

On Federal Highway, some have suggested to build brand new Federal Highway on top of existing one, which I oppose.

I do suggest road improvement, but it must be planned to cater 20 years down the road, not just expand and end up clogged up in just 2 to 3 years, like what happened to most road projects in Malaysia, save for DUKE which is under-utilised smile.gif

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Depends on which area.

The first BRT line will be introduced is Sunway BRT. From KTM Setia Jaya to Kelana Jaya line extension station no.8 in USJ.

The second BRT line would be Federal Highway.

Initially, there was a plan to introduce MRT line from KL to Klang, but this was rule out due to cost.

Right now, the plan for KL-Klang corridor would be:

- Federal Highway BRT

- KTM Metro
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will kampung be the 1st to board the BRT bus when intro in Sunway?
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will kampung be the 1st to board the BRT bus when intro in Sunway?
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 01:56 PM)
Any road expansion must cater transit lane, because in reality, even if you add another lane, the congestion will remain the same for two reasons:

- Klang Valley vehicle sales is very high

- In just few years, congestion will remain the same or even worse

A case study is in Bandar Utama. The overhead bridge on top of highway near Damansara Toll Plaza. It was 2 lanes, then upgraded to 3 lanes. Yet congestion is still chronic. A 2 km section may take 20 minutes just to clear the path which means even lane expansion will not cater traffic growth as well as solving congestion smile.gif

Government road planning is not known, though from what I gather, they are more interested in building bypass highways such as Damansara-Shah Alam Expresswawy, Kuala Lumpur Outer Ring Road, SKVE and so on.

On Federal Highway, some have suggested to build brand new Federal Highway on top of existing one, which I oppose.

I do suggest road improvement, but it must be planned to cater 20 years down the road, not just expand and end up clogged up in just 2 to 3 years, like what happened to most road projects in Malaysia, save for DUKE which is under-utilised smile.gif
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What I meant was more of a 2 way expansion.

LRT / BRT will reduce congestion. (It may lower the number of cars on the road)

Expansion / New highways will increase the capacity of the roads.

Both are options to reduce traffic congestion, and I believe that it will actually work without the need for COE tax like Singapore.

Its more of the government actually putting this kind of forethought into their planning rather than looking at having small wins to win the heart of the people for election. smile.gif
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 02:01 PM)
What I meant was more of a 2 way expansion.

LRT / BRT will reduce congestion. (It may lower the number of cars on the road)

Expansion / New highways will increase the capacity of the roads.

Both are options to reduce traffic congestion, and I believe that it will actually work without the need for COE tax like Singapore.

Its more of the government actually putting this kind of forethought into their planning rather than looking at having small wins to win the heart of the people for election. smile.gif
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At the end of the day, I believe best practices from cities which are well known for transport planning must be followed. This includes whether the solution can cater future traffic growth say 30 years down the road.

Just want to warn that lane expansion will not be able to cater traffic up to 10 years down the road if the propensity of driving car remains unabated. A clear data already suggests 3 million cars entering/exiting KL daily. Lane expansion on one highway won't cater extra 100,000 cars. However, even a simple monorail which occupies less space can easily accommodate 120,000 people (on 4 car KL Monorail).

So I believe we can follow Shanghai and Singapore. Both cities, while doing piecemeal upgrades on road, their investment on public transport is much higher and paramount.

Ironically, Penang future plan may include a combination of public transit improvement as well as highway improvement. But highway improvement will be piecemeal while greater emphasis to be planned on transit.

So I believe, whoever wins, most likely they will choose the more efficient method.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:31 PM)
I see nothing wrong.

BRT is a tested concept in Jakarta and Guangzhou.

Federal highway is already very congested, but many of them are in private vehicles rather than public transport. Public transport is more efficient, but doesn't work at this moment because buses stuck at the same traffic spot as other vehicles on the highway.

With BRT, buses can finally have their own lanes, increasing the speed and reliability of buses, and that will make commuting using bus even more convenient, reliable and fast.

Sometimes, I still do not find the logic of opposing it, because federal highway will always get jam and if there is nothing to be done, it will get even worse.

At least with BRT, bus will be a lot faster, at the same time, capacity of public transport along the corridor will be much higher.
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1. no Public transport near house..complain..
2. got one near house.. oso complaint.
3. implement 30 billion project songlap
4. implement low cost project like.. stupid.. ahahhahahahaha

there are few suggestion like to do elevated BRT lane at federal.. but cost is too high.. else it replicate KTM komuter route...

they try to take stadium shah alam parking space as a park and ride.. huge parking space under utilize.




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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:14 PM)
1. no Public transport near house..complain..
2. got one near house.. oso complaint.
3. implement 30 billion project songlap
4. implement low cost project like.. stupid.. ahahhahahahaha

there are few suggestion like to do elevated BRT lane at federal.. but cost is too high.. else it  replicate KTM komuter route...

they try to take stadium shah alam parking space as a park and ride.. huge parking space under utilize.
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KTM can be further improved biggrin.gif

Many of the stations has 3 or 4 tracks.

Petaling has 3 platforms.
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but malaysian mentality is to always hog and drive on a bus lane. first important is enforcement
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:56 PM)
If BRT different story liao.

Enforcement will be much better as BRT lines has control centre ala rail. Enforcement will be very different from normal bus route.

Bangkok, Jakarta can do it.

KL cannot?  smile.gif
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In federal highway, will they take one lane from the current three or will they build another lane for BRT?
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QUOTE(Pepper @ Jul 29 2012, 07:32 PM)
erection baru nak buat bus lane, kimak x guna punya BN
so carlane minus satu, longer trafik jam then
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QUOTE(luckyhillkop @ Jul 30 2012, 02:22 PM)
In federal highway, will they take one lane from the current three or will they build another lane for BRT?
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Actual layout for federal highway BRT is not known (not yet released).

However, in The Star saturday news, SPAD said got people opposed to it.
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 30 2012, 02:22 PM)
but malaysian mentality is to always hog and drive on a bus lane. first important is enforcement
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This is BRT, different from normal bus lane biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 02:25 PM)
This is BRT, different from normal bus lane  biggrin.gif
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that means the road is separate from cars biggrin.gif drool.gif ??
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 02:24 PM)
Actual layout for federal highway BRT is not known (not yet released).

However, in The Star saturday news, SPAD said got people opposed to it.
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I don't really like the idea of federal highway with only 2 lanes. However I hope they will go ahead with this. Best case scenario is they somehow manage to find space to add a new BRT lane.
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 30 2012, 02:26 PM)
that means the road is separate from cars biggrin.gif  drool.gif  ??
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 02:28 PM)

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1 car 1 passenger..
1 motor 1 passenger
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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:33 PM)
1 car 1 passenger..
1 motor 1 passenger
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1 bus got 50 to 60 passengers thumbup.gif
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i take motorcycle every morning from shah alam to KL..

damn syok saw all single occupant car stuck in the traffic jam..

i know lots of people actually can use public transport but instead using car to go to works.. most of them just office hour worker and just using excuse.. "in case of emergency.. i can go home"..

hope this BRT will be materialize.
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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:39 PM)
What about upgrade motorlane at FederalHw, to BRT. Add elevated motorlane (MCRT), ontop of BRT?
lower cost? compared to elevated BRT.

motorbikers get nice view like a bawse, with elevated MCRT. Accident, also fly like a bawse.
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anything elevated will add tremendous cost
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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:42 PM)
anything elevated will add tremendous cost
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If elevated, the price advantage of BRT diminished and might as well get LRT.
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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:43 PM)
1 lane for bus, teksi +commercial trucks
1 lane for car, van
1 lane for motorcycle, smart two and smart 4 and kancil/viva

ok?
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1 BRT lane.

General traffic should be between 2 to 3 lanes.

This might be achieved by doing road expansion, if possible.
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when/if they cut the excise duty for cars

they roads will be jam pack
people who want to get around on time
have to take public transportation

dont you think that is a good idea...?
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Most of the time when I drive along the Federal Highway during peak hours there are very few buses. So how does the bus lane help the jam during peak hours? The jams are caused by the huge volume of cars mainly. Some motorcyclists are also on the highway instead of the motorcycle lanes. Not stopped by police. No brain solution.

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QUOTE(Tookia @ Jul 30 2012, 02:49 PM)
Most of the time when I drive along the Federal Highway during peak hours there are very few buses. So how does the bus lane help the jam during peak hours? The jams are caused by the huge volume of cars mainly. So brain solution.
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Not bus lane, this is BRT. BRT is bus lane with LRT-like ticketing and operation.

Congestion are caused by cars. Naturally, you may say road expansion.

However, there are numerous cases that road expansion will not be able to cater future traffic growth. An extra lane will end up being congested in just 2 to 3 years after completion.

An example that shows how road expansion will be futile shown in Bandar Utama. Bridge on top of highway near Damansara toll plaza had been upgraded to 3 lanes from previous 2 lanes. Yet it still take 20 to 30 minutes just to travel 2 km along Bandar Utama. This example clearly shows road expansion will not work. Many people drive due to poor public transit. Yet if we have to made it more convenient, if you want to lure people to take public transit.

If public transport made fast and convenient, people will take it, because monthly cost will be lower than driving, provided if you have efficient public transit network.

Emphasis should be done to improve public transport. You say few buses. However, even if you introduce more buses, the average speed of bus will not increase because:

- Buses have to compete against cars in mixed traffic

- And so buses will be just as slow as cars

- Having more buses in such mixed traffic congestion will not aid congestion reduction

And so, the advantage of having BRT is that:

- Buses will only occupy one lane of highway in each direction

- The average speed of buses can easily raised to 30 km/h per hour, much faster than cars on highway during peak hour

- Bus will be more reliable as they have their own lane as well as the fact only BRT type buses will be allowed on the line, ensuring frequency and punctuality

This way, public transport option will be more attractive as it will be faster, more frequency and more reliable. Proven in Curitiba, Guangzhou, Jakarta, Bangkok. So why not KL?

Doing road expansion will only solve congestion in short term, but not in longer run. By that time, later you may ask...............another expansion.

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The idea of BRT is to shift car user to use buses. Hence they might be a reduce in number of car on the road. TBH, if this project materialize, road expansion is done to cater the bus lane. So public persist as there is no reduce on the number of lane of the highway. Traffic jams will always be there....Therefore whoever smart, will opt for BRT. Transjakarta is not the best model for BRT. As much as the line are expansive, Due to less number of buses making it among the lowest no. of user BRT in the world beside few other criteria. Curitiba/Bogota/Chinese cities is the best BRT model.
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people at shah alam/ klang etc can park their car at stadium shah alam .. and take BRT to KL..via federal highway... few interchange provided.. such at LDP, 222, PJ, mid valley. etc

BRT (like one proposed for sunway) will using closed station (like lrt).. buy ticket at vending machine and enter..

high tech? depend bro.. minister already annouce previously that BRT might using electric bus ahhahah
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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 03:01 PM)
And kampung2005, BRT doesnt have to be a hightech/complex/highcost solution. Defeats the purpose of a lowcost and affordable mass transport. Agree?
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BRT is not even expensive. In fact it costs about 10% of running LRT using international comparisons.

The operation of BRT, of which I mentioned, is based on best practices in Brazil and China smile.gif

BRT is defined as bus lane that has the characteristics of LRT such as totally dedicated lane, station and ticketing ala LRT. The stuffs needed to run a BRT, are really needed to make what BRT is. Bogota, Curitiba, Bangkok, all these BRTs has very high operating standard.

It is so cost effective, even Cebu (2nd biggest city in the Philippines) is studying BRT. Even Lagos managed to build BRT (Nigeria).

Jakarta able to build more than 10 BRT lines in just few years.

Infact, in Jakarta, the fare of taking BRT is about 40 US cents (RM 1.20)

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Overall, I agree with you that public transport has to be affordable to make people switching from cars to public transit wink.gif

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just imagine.. a bus with 60 px will cost approximately RM500-700k.. articulated (18 meter - RM 1.2-1.5 million) can cater 120-150 px.

u can buy 10 buses (12 - 15 million) that can cater 1200px-1500px.. with 1 minutes interval (since BRT do not have any signalling system hehehe)

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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 03:09 PM)
just imagine.. a bus with 60 px will cost approximately RM500-700k.. articulated (18 meter - RM 1.2-1.5 million) can cater 120-150 px.

u can buy 10 buses (12 - 15 million) that can cater  1200px-1500px.. with 1 minutes interval (since BRT do not have any signalling system hehehe)
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Signalling is needed, though it is much simpler. Whole line monitoring can be based on CCTV and bus signal priority such as on traffic light whenever it crosses traffic intersection.

Transmilenio comes in mind.
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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 03:31 PM)
How would you price the tickets?
1. 10% below cost, but subsidized 30% by gov?
2. at cost, with no subsidies and bench-marked against international BRTs operating levels?
3. 10-20% margin, with no subsidies?
4. margin based on how far you can get away, without protest/rioting/self-immolation from NGOs, since gov got your back?
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Hard to speculate at this time when BRT implementation is still in the earlier stages.

In the case of Sunway BRT, the cost is shared between Prasarana and Sunway.
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Bus operators must be efficient.

Recently,I went to Puduraya to take bus, and have to wait outside the bus for 30 mins ( bus already arrive) + 15 mins for bus driver melepak
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM)
BRT is intended to keep buses out of car lane.
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i hope lorry too...especially those big and long...

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