I am thinking to buy a new car...but i am dilenma ..should i go for vios or city?

VIOS coz:
1. Vios is cheaper
2. All Toyota has better resale value
3. Toyota spare-parts cheaper whereas for Honda, even if one part rosak, you'd need to change the whole thing so it will costs more (from what I heard la)

BUT of coz the City looks much nicer la, and heard that City's engine not as noisy as the Vios's

SO it really depends on the buyer's preference!

I duo, i prefr vios... Sory about

Why limit yourself to this 2 choices? Why not Preve,Fiesta,Forte?

i got think bout forte bfore...but i worry about the quality of it

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Added on July 29, 2012, 1:06 amBut the new facelifed city realy looks much better than vios.. but vios is more comfort city is more to performance..hard to choose between this 2...anyway, thx

This post has been edited by mike5627: Jul 29 2012, 01:06 AM

the forte has been out for quite some time... and ive never heard a complaint about the quality of the car...

have u? coz if u havent.. then thats a good indication about it....and im talking about the forte itself, not "korean cars" in general


instead, ive heard praises for it.. especially from owners who seem to be very happy with them

Strictly between these 2 cars, they both have their pros and cons.

I suggest you just ignore the pros and cons and just buy whichever one you heart desire aka, base on emotion instead of technicality.

vios... the center dashboard... i decided not to get vios after seeing that terribad thing

City high spec has Vehicle Stability Assist. Better safety.

Honda city E the one with ESC
More safety
Nice design
5At gearbox

Well there was a blog by a local owner called kiafortesucks.com, I think it has been discontinued as the website is down, but the description is as follow "My Kia Forte really sucks. It engine not only failed on me and it squeaks and rattles irritates me to no end. The world needs to know about it and this is the story of my kia forte sucks. "

Anyway just an FYI, not bashing Forte or anything

If u comparing both New Vios and City. I would recommend you going for the City better features with VSC

If you want looks go for city

If you want performance go for vios

Engkau ada fakta untuk bukti?

what performance?

City looks nicer. Both are good choices with excellent resell value.

You have to be more specific.

Vios better power in town low speed driving. City better power in highway high speed driving.

TRD

bodykit +10hp?

Still got so many sei chun high in this world.
No wonder our money always kena songlap.
Malaysia boleh!

say no to proton, say no to songlap

What do u mean?

I use Vios and my friends CT...CT looks more impressive, but service cost need to think about.

My relatives work as mechanics

City is definitely look better than Vios despite they have slightly differences in resale value. I vote for CITY!

me a toyota diehard fans but for your case between vios and city .. choose city cos more VALUE FOR MONEY vios in the is worse then saga flx .. those who buy vios is bcos the badge .. u wont get the quality of toyota by driving vios .. toyota quality = altis and above
with city u at least will feel ur money u pay for the car is on the car itself not the badge ..
certainly not korean car men .. korea car better choose local ..at least u wont cry when u want to sale ur car ..

i'm not driving vios but i own 2 toyota currently .. sorry toyota but your vios is suck

How expensive is the city service cost vs vios?

honda car service u can check on their web got all model .. toyota u have to go to their service center .. or maybe showroom ask them to show u the service chart ..

Bodykit makes the car heavier, so the performance should be worse.

But to be honest I don't like either. The Yaris was a rather appalling car, far behind the other B segment cars I have been in (even older ones... it was probably on par with late 1990s B segment contis), and that was a Euro spec Yaris which is probably quite a bit better than what we have here. The City wasn't too good either, no proper seatbelt in the center is wtf? I didn't feel comfortable sitting in the center, the Proton Saga taxi was much more comfortable (I am talking about the old Saga).

My vote would go for a Skoda Fabia (great car, and stable at high speeds (180+) too, while being pretty cheap), or, for choices actually available here the Fiesta sedan... maybe Preve CFE too.

Vios service every 10k. I think most honda cars every 5K...but still, if I would choose the both..i take CT. bored with Vios oledi

if got $$$ also wont buy PREVE. No to mahathirism puppet project.

actually service on 10k is not good to your engine .. in the toyota manual book also stated if u drive all the times short trip change at 5k high speed all the times change at 5k .. 10k only for normal drive ?????????

If I'm not mistaken, the toyota semi synt last 10k km...but after 7k km rough oledi

if recommend 7k then go change at 5k or 3 months whichever come first some owner even 1 year will not reach 5k then go service center all the technician will be stun bcos no more oil inside engine haha..

usually is like that same with timming belt recommend 100k but most will change at 80k already ..

So ridiculous. My Renault diesel was every 20 or 25k. The Touareg V10 diesel first service after 30 to 50k (got sensors to tell you when to go). And here even 10k is not enough? Although apparently even in Europe the Japs tend to have the shortest service intervals. Not hard to be reliable when the car is checked so often, no?

Btw., Toyota GT86 every 15k km, Subaru BRZ every 30k. lol?

http://www.autozeitung.de/rat-tat/service-...gliste?page=0,3 For a look at how it is overseas... most cars every 30k km... including the Honda Jazz.

YouTube vios top speed & city top speed.



200 for vios 190 for city. This is a fact. Please ask anybody that own this car try this at MEX highway.

I must say is city looks nicer.

buy myvi, reinvest the balance

oversea weather not same with us lar. bro no wonder diesel car service 1 times so expensive lar 20k or 25k service ah .. event the most expensive fully synthethic oil recommend service at 15k ..

further more it depend on your car cc lar UR V10 at least is 3.0 is it ? if need service every 5 k total up more expensive then buy a small car in 5 years lol.

i am vios s user here, seriously u said that vios interior worse then saga flx ?
dont think so, saga flx interior can say same level as viva, myvi and at most fiesta.. vios j maybe coz its lack too much finishing when compare to vios s/trd version..

wht i can say for vios
- good FC (full tank ron95 rm80, shah alam - kuala terengganu still have left 3 bars out of 8 bars)
- average maintenance
- good city car

for honda city
- highway driving better compare vios
- a bit high maintenance
- 16' tyre kinda expensive nowadays compare 15' using by vios trd

no offences lar bro.. me a toyota owner also but not vios my point is to both company product line up toyota cheapest model is vios and proton is saga flx ..

the truth is event comparing vios trd and city city still win on the value .. with the shifttronic already in win win situation not to add other .. honestly vios trd aside from the bodykit what else ?

but then for me if i want to buy city or vios also i will not choose i rather get altis ..

dont forget their trd suspension is lower compare even with vios s, not sure how lower but maybe around 40mm=4cm, n its stiffer too..
my friend honda city's gbx (2011 model) after 3 months got problem oredy.. after he fight with honda SC for a few months then finally he get new gbx.. gbx problem is not small tiny problem bro.. those shiftronic (whteve it is called) is not durable enough.. compare vios manual no problem until now, i never heard one too..

my sis drive a city not facelift stay at kuala selangor .. all road are kampung road .. no problem now on 1 1/2 years ..
seat on my brother vios g model still feel city far better ..
how much the cost of change to aftermarket fully adjustable suspension not more then 3-5k the most expensive 1 is hks 12k .. vios trd how much and city how much?

ur sis didn't use that shift-tronic frequently.. if its owner alwz use, that shift-tronic will have problem later.. so need to use better gbx oil to prevent gbx defect..

adjustable rm12k hks for city or vios bro?
use TT adjustable hi/lo n soft/hard is good enough for rm2.3k new set, 2 years warranty with 3 times free setting.. summore its local company that know our road condition..

my sis didnt used but her husband used ler.. the suspension part is why pay extra for the trd while u can get better set at outside?

lol... let me guess. SC people said "baru punya gearbox tak akan ada problem punya"...

SC people all like that lar.. toyota also got .. the most funny 1 i heard is from my bro friend when they bring their preve turbo to do 1 service and complain about the lack of power on this turbo .. then ask SC guys go out for testing going to highways my bro full throthhle the SC gus shout at them and say this car cannot drive like this have to drive slow slow to get the power.. ??????? what turbo is that for?

haha.. not sure wht SC people told my friend, but he's having a hard time to get it replace..

have Turbo doesn't mean it goes like rocket. The Preve turbo is soft turbo and coupled with the CVT, when full throttle, the engine will be running at constant 5,750rpm. At that rpm, the turbo is only spinning, but it isn't boosting.

A soft turbo application is used mainly to improve low to mid torque in order to aid better city driving. High performance turbo are usually larger and only kicks in at high rpm.

is it ? then don get the idea of this turbo lol .. then how to enjoy this turbo function ? the SC people say it because this engine use some kind of timing chain nake the response slow woh?? event pick up lose to persona when they test ...

maintain rev at 2,000-4,000rpm and you can harness all the full power of it.

response?

On thing is, the Preve is a huge chunk of metal to be moved compared to the persona and CVT isn't that well associated with performance either.

ok then tell them when meet up.. and another thing is the bonnet getting very hot even when idle ...these i believe will make a lot of problem in 1 to 2 years..

that is due to the thin layer of soundproofing on the bonet layer. A sheet of insulflex will solve the issue. It is good to concern about that since it will have negative effect on the hood paint in long term.

preve cfe is soft turbo combine with cvt actually u cant fully feel the true power of turbo it self..
but if its manual 6 speed with a bit larger turbo n summore install into neo, that could be cars that can fight fairly with FD2..

LOL... Vios TRD better finishing....

Dash Looks the same... apart from fake CF trim, colour.... Meter cluster, and lighting only changed.... Very Boring and spartan...






and, lol... better than Fiesta ?


And City is good too...

Of course weather is different, and it also depends on how much each service costs. But still, why do some cars require so frequent service while others don't? Honda every 5k, VW every 15k. In Malaysia. Where the Hondas have rather outdated gearboxes and engines, and VW uses highly turbocharged engines and DSG gearboxes? How can that be?

Think the V10 TDI was a 4.2... not sure though. In any case service costs should be the smallest concern if you drive such a car.

You want to buy a new car and immediately change the suspension? Why not buy a car with the right suspension in the first place?

The Preve turbo is meant to give low end torque. Feel like diesel Also it is meant to lower fuel consumption (at high RPM however the engine will get hot, which requires the car to use petrol to cool down parts of the engine --> very high fuel consumption). Drive it properly and it will be fun to drive and give good FC.

Well, the Fiesta interior isn't pretty. It looks like a Sony boombox from the 90s. Think the materials weren't so great either. But the rest of the car is nice and modern, so I am willing to overlook that.

This is a nice interior:


New Yaris (one day new Vios...?) also not too bad:
http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/03/IMG_7059.jpg

That looks like skoda interior

This interior kick Vios TRD anytime.

1st trd version
ok enough with this , now depend on TS to decide.. we all here give him seriously a lot of information

This post has been edited by amad108: Jul 30 2012, 06:12 AM

what about Vios auto gearbox?.. i think its not fair to compare auto gear box with manual gearbox.. don't u think

i'm always wanted to know how is Vios Gearbox compared to City's

because honda service centers are privately owned.

by making it 5000km instead of 10000km, the SC will have more business.

but new civic is now 10000km per service.

thanks for ur suggestion..i personally a salesman which will travel 2000km per month..is that H.City FC not as good as vios?

vios has the best FC, go for vios for peace of mind. Afterall, the engine has been used and tested for many years coming from the previous generation vios. Wont go wrong with such stable engine, all vios old or new gen uses the same engine.

thanks, i will take ur advice.

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Added on July 30, 2012, 12:50 pmagreed, trd is totaly waste of money.

This post has been edited by mike5627: Jul 30 2012, 12:50 PM

ai yo yo not understand you lar .. first complain about our local car maker service too short every 5k or 10k then compare with a v10 4.2cc vehicle say this car only need service 20-25k .. ai ya VW 15k service can use normal oil ?i'm very sure have to use fully syhnthethic lar ... honda service 10k also can use fully synthethic lar.. SC will explain to u .. u know how much liter of engine needed for a V10 ?? every service cost 1500 at least lar.. engine oil only is 1k already want to compare to 1.5 or 2.5 cc car how to compare ???

why u compare japanese car with conti car?? totally difference lar..

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Added on July 30, 2012, 8:22 pm2000km permonths buy hybrid better save at least 60% mean travel 2000km pay 1400km the rest 600km is free lar..

mine 1 full tank rm60 get 600-650km (100% city drive) highway can get at least 700-800km .

This post has been edited by keanutan: Jul 30 2012, 08:22 PM

I booked my Forte already. The sales can give 2-3k discount. I think this is worth to get. I cannot get the same spec from Vios and City.

City price increased from 86k to 90k. Not worth. Vios price very competitive. But you will know the car is totally empty feature compare with Forte.

I agreed Forte has less resale value and maybe spare part more expensive. The car just 2 yrs ++ in Malaysia. No one send for major spare part replacement. Not fair to say the spare part is expensive. Resale value is not high doesnt mean low quality. It could be demand low. We have to give time to Korean's Car. The reason City/Vios resale value high doesnt mean has good quality than Kia or Hyundai. Just the matter of time.

I trust Korean brand. You can see how sucessful they do well in Samsung LCD / LED TV.

In US and europe, you can find many Elantra and Forte. But you will not find City or Vios over there. This is good enough to judge which car you should buy.

If you just want to buy car for resale particularly in Malaysia only, then you should get Vios and City. But I would say this is follow trend only. Doesnt mean getting good, worth car if you think on resale value always. Anytime Korean Car can overtake Japanese car like Samsung beat Panasonic or Sony.

ai ya u trust korean brand bcos of samsung ?? bro u know how many samsung lcd got problem ?

us / europe can't find city and vios bcos both model are design for asia country only ..

samsung beat panasonic / sony bcos it is cheap price .. and seller got higher margin ..

bro if u take aside the new korea car design now ..and start to look at inside ...
hyundai = accent (cannot find now)
kia = spectra(bad bad car)
toyota =vios (empty car)
honda = city (high cost)

Hi Keanutan, you just bring up all the bad points from one side only. I am not going to argue with you and criticise how bad the vios and city. Indeed, Toyota and Honda are top car manufacturer in the world.

My points in previous post is to explain how Korean do well in their product and gain the customers sales. Not trying to bias. I just share my thoughts.

when a company earns a lot of money. It is not related to the cheapest price they can offer. But the quality of the production and whether worth to buy or not.

If you think cheap price can work, Malaysia's PENSONIC becomes world number 1. As well as Proton.

ai ya dont mad lar .. just not good to compare car with electronic .. me working in eletrical sales (8 years) if u ask me about quality on mass production japan product is the best ..
lcd tv no matter what brand the panel is from either sharp or sony panel bcos this is the two company that come out with the patents..

u need to know they have the key technology there in LCD.

only a few manufacturers able to make LCD, samsung is one of them, even iphone is taking lcd from samsung.

good choice , forte is a good car, good sound proof, as a passenger, i feel that car is a good buy .

no doubt, forte is a good car. but i think korean car still need some time in Malaysia.

for me korean car company has done a lot better compare p1 n p2.. their design n tech can be par as other big car company now.. while T & H brand just depend on their history which is their main point they have proven (good quality car n good after sales service)..
as for prius c interior quality maybe lower compare to forte, so plasticity.. forte much better for interior n exterior, only bcoz prius c is toyota so it can sell better.. IMO la..

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Added on July 31, 2012, 10:46 pmso far no problem bro.. used almost 4 years, no issue at all.. mileage oredy hit 100k km.. all service done at toyota SC

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Added on July 31, 2012, 10:48 pmmost people oredy know, vios is the best FC for its class.. but somehow on chart it didnt show up, not sure why..
if u travel long distance honda city then, if short distance vios of course..

This post has been edited by amad108: Jul 31 2012, 10:48 PM

well then i should go for city..5 years warranty with unlimited mileage sumore...vios just 3 year

yup, vios still 3 years warranty.. but city maintenance fees a bit higher compare vios, n their CVT gbx u need to really take a good care of it, use better oil from normal (if honda offer for it) cant use 3rd party gbx oil, could void warranty..

but maybe u can add at ur own (eg X-1R auto gbx oil, but that not for CVT, just example only)
auto gbx oil easy to add by ur self compare manual..

This post has been edited by amad108: Jul 31 2012, 11:00 PM

urs is hybrid car?

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Added on July 31, 2012, 11:49 pmO.o i seee...but i thought new city gear boxx change already?

This post has been edited by mike5627: Jul 31 2012, 11:49 PM

Prius C sell better is because of it Hybrid Technology & Tax Exempted. If no Tax Exempted, who else will buy if it cost RM170k-190k. Of cause Toyota brand name also help.

The new City does not use a CVT gearbox anymore, it use a regular 5 speed AT (I think Vios still use 4 speed AT).

There's 2 overdrive gear in the City, technically its like a 4 speed AT, but during highway cruising it uses the fifth gear which might explain the good FC during highway cruising.

Correct me if I'm wrong, just sharing some info

hermm.. so the paddle shift still there but only 5 speed auto?
if that the case maybe CVT problem no more.. last time my friend's city year 2011 almost gone rm15k (not sure, forget the amount oredy) just to replace the gbx..

vios til now 4 speed auto, same with camry 2.0.. most trustful gbx haha.. when they gonna use CVT like prius not sure..

No way Vios & Camry will use same CVT as Prius & Prius C, cause Prius e-CVT electric motor build in to it. Unless is Hybrid Vios & Hybrid Camry.

Camry 2.5V is using 6 speed AT gearbox, not sure it will use in other model.

i just though when vios n camry use CVT (its not supposed same CVT as prius n prius c, just CVT for normal engine)
dont think so that 6 speed auto gbx easily being use by other model too , even its 2.0 camry still use 4 speeder.. huhu..

hybrid vios combine with CVT which will make the price a lot lower, it could make riot bro

Yeah, I think they use back conventional gearbox since the CVT got many problem in Malaysia.. maybe the weather is hotter here or something.. haha. And seems like a lot of people still prefer the regular gearbox and not those CVT scooter thing.

Paddle shift for syok2 only, but if use to up-shift early can save a bit more fuel I suppose.

Your friend year 2011 City sure got warranty right? Rarely a gearbox will fail that soon.

dude, NHC not using CVT GB ler.. so the earlier story u told us is true or not? ur fren 2011 city that having GB problem? im driving a 2010 city and 90% of time am using paddle shift.. i do follow city forum/thread and none i found having problem with the GB..

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Added on August 1, 2012, 7:02 amif most of time u'll be driving in town, vios is good for u; fc and suspension is good for town driving.. if interstate/long distance drive then city for u..


This post has been edited by mytaffeta: Aug 1 2012, 07:02 AM

alright, thanks.

yup, totally true.. before this he use putra, so kinda a bit spirit driver (alwz change gear lol), when he change to city which got paddle shift he very happy with that, but after certain time his gbx produce some noisy sound, so he claim that problem with honda SC.. i can introduce u to him, but as i also rarely seen him (my old friend since terato.com if u know, that website which already close now)

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Added on August 1, 2012, 12:49 pmyup.. but his previous car was putra gsr, so u know la.. he even bring his honda city car to trackday lol..
i think conventional has higher durability, just add 1 gear more so good enough oredy.. summore its paddle shift more response compare CVT gbx..

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Added on August 1, 2012, 12:52 pmi need to agree with engine noise for vios, its true.. rev more then 4k rpm sure can hear engine roar (but not nice engine roar la..huhu)

This post has been edited by amad108: Aug 1 2012, 12:52 PM

Sorry TS borrow your thread for some input.

I was helping my brother look for car (Sedan) and would appreciate anyone here can give some comments.

Price range about the same 86k and in this category there are not many choices
(not say not many but so call well known and reliable i would say only few) i.e. Toyota, Honda.


I want to know which will you guys consider...

1. Vios J
2. Mazda 2
3. Feista
4. City S Spec (slightly over budge)

TQ.

Fiesta for Value for Money, J and City for Reliable ( Between both I would choose City). Finally, If I were you, I would go for Fiesta Just my personal opinion

Ford Fiesta !!!!

BTW why no go for Mazda? ---- just out of my curiosity...

yup 1 month old prius c .. FC super duper good .. previously permonth pump 3-4 times now is every 3 weeks ..

fiesta the best of all 4!

I test drove all the cars u mentioned plus more, such as Swift etc....

The best is Fiesta... Handling, power, safety specs is just awesome....

But i'm opting the Fiesta Hatch, coz sexier....

elantra

Elantra is a good car, no doubt, but Fiesta has better handling...

I did consider Elantra too, but the 1.6 is not that powerful but the 1.8 is good....

But then, the 1.8 is just too expensive when compared with the cars listed...

Forte? In Europe? Where? AFAIK they have the cee'd.

Vios is available as Yaris, and it is doing quite ok for a Japanese car (though since Japanese manufacturers aren't doing so well it's not saying much). The Jazz is available, and occasionally people buy it. However these cars are spec'ed totally differently, and the Yaris is in 3rd gen now, while our Vios is still based on the 2nd gen Yaris.

The Prius C is better spec'ed (in terms of safety, like 7 airbags etc.) than the Malaysian Forte. Personally I'd be getting the Prius C instead, although it probably feels a bit cheap. Anyway is it selling well? I hardly see one on the roads, sadly other Toyotas seem much more popular.

@kiatzz: Easy. Fiesta sedan. Best in terms of safety and value, and apart from that also said to be a good car.