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weikee
post Jul 27 2012, 04:10 PM

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What go in must go out. Common sense.

If you have suction no out put you strain your fan motor, and forcing moisture to collect and form water. Getty big bottle or container try blowing it do you think is easy? And what happen you release your mouth?

Common sense please.


Added on July 27, 2012, 4:11 pmIf above your ceiling is roof than is ok, cause roof have opening to outside

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post Jul 27 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Jul 27 2012, 04:15 PM)
Agree. You can imagine what's like the like of months if not years of constant suction into ceiling space. This is more so if you have hot water, as the moisture is the starting ground for mould development.

In reality although an ideal, sometimes it's cumbersome/troublesome because toilets however have no ventilation outside due to renovation claiming backyard hence closing off vent-out spaces now reclaimed by renovated area/rooms. I've seen them mounting ceiling vent into ceiling space nia. Mine is such but I don't hv plaster ceiling but rely on fixed louvre window veniting into dry area. Installing an extractor fan on the backyard wall somewhat though not ideally deals with the air/odor wafting out away from the dry area.

In that scenario, for health reasons, it is proper to duct it outwards with ducted ceiling vents that runs out to the wall of the backyard.

For condo and apartment toilets with casement window of leaf opening up-down type, just install glass mounted suction fan.

Same for landed with the same window configuration or else just bore through masonry with exhaust fans. Some like KDK/Panasonic has one model, En (4"/10cm) and Zen (6"/15cm) extractors which is for areas that have very little overhang from roof. This series have an accessory hood that elbow downwards on the exterior to prevent rain infiltration.

Edit: One practical matter is unless you hv additional switch point for extractor fan, what I did was to branch it off the toilet light point. Hence can leave fan on while light can turn off. Otherwise in the long run cost $$$ to vent cos light must still run. The other alternative is to install pull switch for light with the obvious drawback of having to grope for it in the dark to turn it on.


Added on July 27, 2012, 4:34 pm
Without outside roof, venting into ceiling space esp if ground floor toilet causes back pressure on the fan. The miniscule dirt and mold spores could be blown out due to backpressure.

Venting into roof space should be ducted with a roof vent/duct otherwise moisture build up inside here could affect lifespan woodwork holding up roof.
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Roof is not critical because day time the heat will actually dry the humid.

Ground floor is a must to put ducting, if no ducting or opening, better don't put any vent fan.
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post Jul 27 2012, 05:15 PM

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Of topic, for roof tiles with wood truss, is really dry after some years. I know this because I apply anti termite chemical to my house roof truss. The wood absorb like sponge and not a single drop of chemical drop/slip out.
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post Nov 17 2014, 04:26 PM

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You can made a 8" opening on the wall and install the exhaust fan, this way you have a neat installation, and the exhaust fan don't need a grill. Unless you worry someone can go through the 8" opening. This way made the house neat. Don't have to be nice, but making it neat is good. After all is a house you going to stay.
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post Nov 17 2014, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Nov 17 2014, 08:35 PM)
i installed ceiling mount exhaust fan. why do i get foul smell whenever i turn on the exhaust fan? there is no odor when it's switched off, only smell the odor (smell like sewer) when it is on.

i opened the ceiling manhole, no smell detected.
it's not coming from the drain floor trap either.

what else could it be ?
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When you switch it on, did you open the windows?
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post Nov 17 2014, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Nov 17 2014, 09:25 PM)
Yeah, partially opened. you are suggesting that the smell is from outside? My toilet is at second storey, if the fan can attract and suck the foul smell from outside, it's really unbelievable. Later i try shut the window and test again
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Possible the ventilation fan suck the manhole / drain opening air our / from wash basin. This is only possible if there no U trap beneath it.

Or

Your windows close to the sewage breather pipe. Usually is locate at the roof, but some maybe just outside 2nd floor.
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post Nov 18 2014, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(BrandNewStart @ Nov 18 2014, 08:34 AM)
No improvement after shutting windows.

I will check out those areas you mentioned. Hopefully can solve it soon, thanks a lot
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Smell maybe coming from the WC, floor trap, or basin. Need to use your nose to identify already.
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post Nov 18 2014, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Nov 18 2014, 10:29 AM)
I didn't open the window , just exhaust fan
ya i on my light too, personally i love to switch on the light to make toilet more bright , actually day time from 8.30-6pm also at office , very less use the toilet at day time except friday only (terengganu friday off day)  , i using LED downlight very save energy no worry  smile.gif
brother , it will dry up if the sun heat up , but how about raining day?? Who gonna help u heat up the ceiling ?
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For my house, I have two bath rooms at 2nd floor, I don't see the need of exhaust fan because the windows is always open, at least 30% opening. Yes some mist will build up after long hot bath, it will just go away after few mins will gone.

All my room have exhaust ventilation fan, it help suck in fresh air at night during rainy day, making my room much nicer to sleep. For ventilation to the roof, roof itself have many opening and airflow will clear up moisture.
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post Nov 21 2014, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Nov 21 2014, 11:29 AM)
You don't on your aircond to sleep?
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Rainy day nope. Only switch on AC f its hot day.
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post Dec 12 2014, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Dec 12 2014, 02:52 PM)
hi all,

i have a exhaust fan mounted on my toilet window just like the above. However, my toilet still feels very "wet" and already have mold on my plaster ceiling although I just move in 8 months ago.

Contractor previously told me my condo is quite old (14 years) and has house sweat. Whatever bullcrap that is. I even have molds on my PVC in the masterbedroom and shirts which I havent worn for a long time. How do I get rid of molds?
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Cloud be small leak on the floor above. I doubt toilet humid can build mold with exhaust fan running. My bath room don't have exhaust fan, but window are 30% open all the time. So far OK no mold for 3+ year now.
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post Dec 12 2014, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Dec 12 2014, 07:06 PM)
Thanks, I will look into the machines, but they're not cheap as well sad.gif
Already have exhaust fan. Will try hippo.
Not sure if it is leak because the mold is quite evenly spread across the plaster ceiling. My toilet window is only about 3ft (h) x 1.5ft (w).
Plasma or ionizer doesnt help right? It says prevent mold from forming. Not sure.
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Mine is only 2x2
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post Dec 12 2014, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Dec 12 2014, 07:19 PM)
Hm weird, i open it as well. Let me try on the exhaust fan longer.
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Doubt it do any help. What is on the top? Your plaster ceiling installed new?

 

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