Inb4, dunnoanythingaboutcar

my car's aircond has been abit upset lately. i noticed that the car aircond will only give cool air when i am driving the car (as in the car is moving) but if the car is idle, the aircond will no more give cool air out but warm air instead.

i noticed too when i on the A/C (aircond) system and tekan minyak, there will be a strange noise that come along. the harder i tekan minyak, the louder the engine noise will be (that is normal) and also the strange noise.

i asked few people around (through phone, coz no time face to face) and they say is the aircond compressor / aircond motor problem. are the a/c compressor and a/c motor even the same thing?

and how much would it cost me if i want to change it for recond together with service included? i had a quote for RM400++, anything i should take note of? especially on the compressor/motor as i will be taking a recond one.

Hmm,yu need to check yr gas pressure ,see got any leak or nt. some compressor make noise, Maybe your oil already decrease because of the leak/ Or Bearing spoil. What car? How many years u never service your air-cond d?

its a kenari. last time service i think within 1 year time. changed all the 3 "belts" + service. how i check the pressure? need to workshop rite?

and your oil is what oil? engine oil i just changed 2 weeks ago. bearing?? where de bearing? lol.

This post has been edited by EternalC: Jul 26 2012, 08:42 AM

Compressor oil/Air-cond oil. I mean service Cooling-coil/Evaporator inside the car 1. yu need to go shop they can check for you. Bearing ermm i dnt know how to say,but still compressor part.

i see. so basically i still need to bring it to workshop to figure it out eh? hahaha.
any idea on the recond compresor price? and also when they say a/c compressor and a/c motor, is it the same thing?

ya same thing. Condensor=Rm300 / Evaporator rm300 / Compressor recon rm3++ Lowest. If Pipe Rm50-100 / If compressor Leak,Change O-ring rm80-100. And yr compressor never spoil, Dnt giv them scam ==.. Just take go and check pressure. If Condensor or Cooling coil leak cant repair. Evaporator &cooling coil is the same thing. And Ask the price b4 yu Fix!

then what could be the problem then? haha. you mean is it could be the condensor / cooling coil that is leaking (which is part of compressor) and that two need to buy new?

and in wat way is a compressor really spoil?

Things to check for old car a/c system and goto car aircond shop, not workshop.

1. AC Gas - If low, top up. Usually can last up to 2 years. If 3 months lose gas already, ask them to check if got leakage at pipes or joints. they have gas detector to do that if u go to proper car AC shop. Gas can also leak through the gasket of older compressor.

2. Low gas cutoff sensor for compressor - Some idiot usually advise to bypass this sensor when it's faulty. What will happen is when your gas is low the compressor will keep on running spoiling the compressor. Happens to my old car last time, change compressor 3 times because of this.

3. Thermostat - rarely spoilt, but if spoilt will cause your condenser to over cool and makes water in the condenser freeze to ice. Air flow will be blocked and no air will come out of your blower until it melt again.

4. Compressor - The heart of the AC, if older than 3-5 years usually have issue like gasket leaking or wear and tear on the piston. Will die really fast if the low gas cutoff switch have been bypassed.

5. Condenser - Place where the air become cool and hot air is absorbed. Rarely need any attention because a normal cleaning shoul dbe sufficient if it's too dirty. Only need to change when there's leaking but only on really2 old car.

Always try 2-3 different shop to troubleshoot before you repair, checking is always free and it's good to have a 2nd opinion especially if you're not familiar with the shops. Ask the problems and price for repairing it. Compare it with other place.

thanks for info brah!

about the compressor part, what is the condition/damage that i will need it to be replaced?

leaking or the piston have problem due to wear and tear. Last time for my old car i change the compressor and tell the shop to fix all the leaking. My aircond gas didnt need a refill for 2-3 years. If you want to test how severe is the leak, just go to any ac shop and tell them to check the gas pressure and refill the gas and then take note how long it will take for it to get to current condition.

If you need to refill the gas every month then it's better to do a full repair, but if it only need to refill like once every 6 month then just refill it until the compressor totally break down. Any gas loss in less than 2-3 months is considered bad since the price to top up the gas have increased too nowadays.

noted. many thanks for the info!

There are oil stain left on the place it leaks.. Depends on what type of compressor, sometimes it will leak at shaft shield.

Condenserr and Evaporator

Condenser to reduce/discharge the heat of the compressed liquid

Evap= To absorb surrounding air/heat. Changed liquid to Wap/Moist

yu need to add oil in the compressor so it will not spoil/Jem

lowgas sensor & thermostat is the same thing.. If spoil it will make yr Valve frost and yr liquid stuck in it, will make yr compressor keep compress it and damage yr piston.

Check the gas pressure is free.others yu have to pay. Evaporator normal got 1 year warrant. compressor -3month. Liquid filter also need to change.

woa very informative posts

TS seems you are having a problem at idle, there are a few posibilities like already mentioned earlier.

i will look at condenser seals, radiator fan, ac fan. i dont know about a kenari but most cars have a cutout when the idle compressor discharge pressure is too high. when this happens AC will not function.

yu are right.
It always happen on House air-cond too.

i think this is what is happening. coz i keep hearing psst psst sound when my car is idle. and i can see my rpm playing along. for example, when idle, let say i tekan minyak so that the rpm is at 2000rpm, when the psst sound come, it will go down to maybe around 1000rpm++.

any idea on this one? so i shud just off my a/c for the time being until i bring it to check? gosh the heat..

The psst sound came from btm of yr desk box?Left hand seat bottom. normal every valve sound like this because the liquid pass through the valve needle hole become moist.

i think so. it repeat every 2 to 3 seconds. and if put idle and the air become warm, when i start moving again it will not necessarily will be cool again. sometime it just stay warm all the way.

lets say its the problem as what u mention above, what is the thing that got broken?

Yu wont get the answer till yu check at shop. Maybe Magnet coil nt strong so cant pull the pulley. Yu got tell the foremen want yr car save oil/petrol...maybe he set the timing low.so the compressor wont work until yu drive..

i dont think thats the case.. the last time i bring it to aircond service was like almost 1 year ago... but i did went for engine oil change + service around 2 weeks ago... dont think they did anything to the a/c system?

. Check yr gas pressure 1st, if 30-40+psi normal. depends on yr luck Leak or anything~ yu wont get the answer till yu checked.

ok. just wanna know what will i need to know. i dun wan kena sembelih by those ppl saying the whole a/c system rosak need overhaul or smth.

if leak, what will be replace? and around how much need to spend?

and if that so called piston rosak, how much need to pay?

Leak depends on which part ,if compressor shaft shield rm120+ ,O-ring RM80 below maybe..Magnet coild spoil rm150below...probally 80..

Compressor no 1 say piston rosak 1. Just JAM or jem i dont know.. LOL Need to buy Recon 1 below rm400.

Recon maybe 1 or 3month warranty.

If can repair just repair keep those money for other usage. a normal compressor can survive 3-5 years.. IF repair also rm100+ d. if yu want to change ok also rm300+ better but price

Malaysia income low If other country they change spare parts just a piece of peanut for them..

nw i work in taiwan. thier income higher then malaysia 3x. Spare part cheaper then malaysia 40% + summor all import car.

normal compressor can survive 3-5 years u mean is recon compressor is it or after repair?

ya.. gov no control the price thats why. they need protong to survive...

Recon. depends on who repair it last time. Car compressor if used long time,the compressing will decrease power edi..

coz i think my compressor also quite long no change d... decrease power nvm, at least still can blow out cool air ok d la... i tak banyak macam one

how old r u this year? Wait until it condem 1st only change.

me 60 years old. u belip?

yeah, but i know it really condem or wat lol. jangan jangan bring to check, they cincai give few reason then say compressor broken need change..

60 no la,normaly they will say yr compressor want to spoil ady, change compressor better.hahahaha (IF THE TRICKY 1) Fast $ and easy JOB

Lets me check 1st then he will tell yu what spoil ( Honest but may scam also LOL) Take alot of time..

haha. so i'll just let them check it first the decide eh?

ah the air sound, i think i had the same issue too last time. There's a thingy (i dont remember the name) it have like 2-3 pipe hose connected to it. Must be a valve or something that uses air to trigger it. I change the thing and the AC start getting cooler again.

It's pretty rare to find car repair shop that also do aircond repair. But if you can find one that can do both your pretty lucky already.

Just try to get it checked at a few places so you can compare the results they gave to you and the price. It's important to get a nice and honest shop, because last time i've changed almost everything up to more than 1500 just because they didnt know it's the gas cutoff switch that's having trouble. So mine is a pretty expensive lessons.

Yeah, they will asks you to change 1 stuff 1 by 1. I think it's either because they are inexperienced or just trying to rip people off.

This post has been edited by marumaru: Jul 27 2012, 09:15 AM

Check gas only,if others yu check the must disamble ,yu need to pay lol ,hhaha

ok. depends what he say lo then

If there is no gas in the system, can they check for leakage, for free? Or is the only way to top up, and then check for leakage? They will charge then right, since gas has been used?

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Added on July 30, 2012, 1:00 amThe shop guy put his finger on the compressor and say "see, oil leak, compressor rosak, must change new one. RM400". They say the compressor is one single unit. Cannot repair. Must change the whole thing. What do you think? Scam? O-ring?

This post has been edited by dkk: Jul 30 2012, 01:00 AM

Usually they need to add gas then check for leakage, yes you will be charged for it. But only do it if you have a budget to repair it at the same time, for eg. repairing the leakage while changing the compressor.

Regarding the compressor, yeah you need to change the whole unit. I used to get a bit cheaper by using recon or from kedai potong. Usually if the shop is considerate they can advise for a cheaper alternative. But that's the 5-6 year old ago price lol.

my favourite shop last time was at bangi, i'm not really familiar with other areas to recommend to you. But it would only take 4-6 hours max, for major repair works anyway.

This post has been edited by marumaru: Jul 30 2012, 01:16 AM

Actually no need to add gas inside, they will use air to pump inside. i dnt know its free or nt.

Depends on the shop got repair or nt. oil leak nt compressor rosak. try to ask other shop. If O-ring easy. IF shaft shield leak need some high experience do.

Ah they use bubbles is it to check? The one i went last time use an electronic sensor to detect the gas. It have a long probe like thing and will beeb loudly near leakage area.

yup normaly bubble. if still can't trace any leakage. hav to disamble those component and put in the water to check d. yup it detect the pressure when leak. but hardly to detect tiny leak. now 1 technology can use light to detect also . some oil inside the compressor is green 1. when use spectacle & torchlight, the part that leak oil will glow.

wow really canggih la nowaday, my old car last time the leak mostly at compressor (change to recon) and pipe joints. Must be cause i did bang the car a few times before

But they fixed the joints, not sure how they do it cause i spent the whole time waiting in a cyber cafe playing online games

But after all that, even after 2 years the gas pressure seems ok. Haven't top up any gas at all after that, i even see droplets of water frozen on the pipes in the engine

This post has been edited by marumaru: Jul 30 2012, 10:23 PM

u mean pipe leakk??? or.... ubah suai? haha about the compressor,yu keep speeding izit? malaysian car mostly no auto cut for the compressor ,so when u speeding damn fast the compressor stil working. some car when u speeding it will auto cut.

actually malaysian ppl don't know many new technology came out long time ago. i realise that we damn ketinggalan d.

last time my compressor spoil cause some smart alec before bypass it using a jumper. With leaking on the pipes joints (minor) and the old compressor gasket, the compressor keep running even though it's low on gas. Costs me a fortune changing the compressor 3 times. Only the trusty shop at bangi spot the problem and advise me to change the cut off switch. It's not that expensive too, blardy hell.

Really owe the towkey big one for doing a proper check and spotting the problem for me.

This post has been edited by marumaru: Jul 30 2012, 10:36 PM

2 wire connect to the sensor only =just connect those 2 together can work ady. maybe the shop never bypass... when he repair finish.he never start and check either the a-cond got cut or nt.

pity yu spend alot of $. how much is the sensor...

my english nt so well, my education to weak.sry if u cant understand..

nah no problem, i've seen worse. If i'm not mistaken the sensor is only rm80 - 150. I've spent so much finding good shop and changing almost all the aircond parts last time in the span of 5 years.

It's an old 89' ford 3rd hand, the previous owner is really terrible. After 3 month i got the car, then engine oil sump gasket leak. My mom is furious seeing a lot of engine oil on her nice garage floor

I'm sure he's also the one that messes up with the bypass switch.

I've changed the thermostat (cheap one, just hide it under the dashboard), condenser (the shop guy con me, shouldn't have changed it), Blower (fan not so strong), Compressor (so many times because other issue is causing it to spoil and they fail to find the cause)

Now i think i'm pretty expert already with old car aircond system and try to help others not to undergo the same issue like me.

This post has been edited by marumaru: Jul 30 2012, 10:52 PM

haha,good learn more as yu still alive! so wont get cheat by any1. sure is gold color 1 thermostat with a rat tail...haha the rat tail must put inside the evaporator so it can sense. blower fan got wash? the thermostat cost rm30-40, but they charge 80++ normal.

last time when i having my hardlife, advise that customer compressor change better. then take the old compressor change oil-ring +spray back. sell it back 250++labour charge rm300++. normaly shop will do like this..

ye lor, spoilt compressor how to repair anymore. Better just to change, cheaper somemore than repair.

This post has been edited by marumaru: Jul 30 2012, 11:11 PM

that day repair my compressor at a shop in PJ, saw in ZTH forum
very good..he open and service change some parts in my compressor
now very very cold..kena charge 200 oni + gas refill . and quiet too

Hi, can you kindly share out the thread link ? My compressor is making loud sound too, need someone to fix it back.

i forgot the thread its old thread
but this is the address u have to go behind shop
very friendly guy
i went to alot aircond shop before this
all say change compressor bla bla bla
this guy open up the compressor check each part and change what need to be changed..and charge 200 oni..now aircond is cold and nice

HINLY address :
Sunny Lam hp:019-2246 176
No. 28, Jalan Yong Shook Lin,
46200 Petaling Jaya.
Tel/Fax: 03-7955 4893

i use google map

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Added on July 31, 2012, 12:18 am
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This post has been edited by hickups: Jul 31 2012, 12:18 AM

Loud sound??maybe the bearing.. or yr compressor going do condemn d.

Thanks for the details. If im not mistaken, my dad brought my car for an A/C service few months ago. Thus, I'm really looking forward to have my compressor being sort out in the similar way as urs.

Yea, quite loud. Actually, it was my mech whom told me about the loud sound. He mentioned the compressor was force pulling it due to very minimal amount of oil there. I'm an A/C nuts, thus not really sure what kind of oil is he talking about. But all in all, I can hear loud whining sound coming out from the compressor part. How much is the cost to repair a compressor normally ?

oil,the oil wont decrease if yr air-cond gas never leak... yu can direct add oil into the compressor,not more then rm50 maybe.. . to repair a compressor if the price over rm150 nt worth it to repair d.

Oic...but my dad say the A/C mechanic got refill gas during the last service. I guess there's leakage, and thus the oil level decreased. Why if the repairing cost over RM 150 considered nt worth, bro ? AFAIK, a recon compressor also cost around RM 300++ for my vehicle....

Recon compressor vs repaired compressor; which one will be more lasting ? As far as cost concern, I'm pretty sure by repairing the old unit will be much cheaper than getting a recon unit, right ?

Recon should be longer. repair is cheaper but ,yu dnt know when it will condemn..