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post Jul 24 2012, 10:40 PM, updated 14y ago

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Bringing all the pieces together provides us with:
Magic find increases the class ("item-color") of the gear found.
Magic find does not increase the number of items found.
Magic find does not increase the iLvl of the gear found.
The guaranteed rare drop from Nephalem Valor is an additional drop and it is possible to roll a legendary for the drop.
The guaranteed rare drop from Nephalem Valor is applied to goblins as well.
Nephalem Valor is superior to magic find; it devalues the effect when compared to farming without the buff, but magic find is still an effective affix.
Whether or not magic find affects affix rolls is not investigated here, but there is no reason as of to suspect that magic find would increase the stat rolls. We're currently investigating if magic find has an affect on the number of affixes rolled on average per item.
Last and most important: Future data collection may help to provide data for computational research on magic find that can be used for farming efficiency.

also look at 2.3 which is very interesting, 150% MF seems to give very high ilvl 62 items (farming ring/ammy ftw?), and slightly lower for ilvl60
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QUOTE(OnGx2 @ Jul 24 2012, 10:40 PM)
We're currently investigating if magic find has an affect on the number of affixes rolled on average per item.

I thought this was already proven a while ago.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2426463
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jul 25 2012, 08:20 AM)
I thought this was already proven a while ago.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2426463
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the source u mention in the thread was posted by blizzard, and people in diablofans.com are investigating it, whether how it works, magic find may improve the number of affixes, but how about the level of affixes? many claims that with MF, they found more items with crap stats
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:30 AM

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does magic find helps you to create better equipment from blacksmith?
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jul 25 2012, 09:30 AM)
does magic find helps you to create better equipment from blacksmith?
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i dont think so
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jul 25 2012, 10:30 AM)
does magic find helps you to create better equipment from blacksmith?
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no, because crafting already give you better chance by default.

example like i looking for my dream monk fist. all at AH freaking damn expensive.

i bought a fist plan with 5 prop from AH, just keep crafting until you get your dream weapon
it's faster to get than farming because you are aiming on one thing. Its keep rolling the dice for the Fist.


i still havent get my dream fist yet.
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QUOTE(OnGx2 @ Jul 25 2012, 09:05 AM)
magic find may improve the number of affixes, but how about the level of affixes? many claims that with MF, they found more items with crap stats

This part (in bold) I got no comment. I only commented on the "number of affixes" part. I've also seen some statistics that proved this i.e. something like xyz% MF gave extra aa% chance of 6-affix rare, but I forgot the sos and actual numbers liao.
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:51 AM

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I run 200+ MF on full act 1 usually get 2-3 ilv63s.. run 50 MF usually get 5-6.. although they're still crap..

don't think it's a necessity.. if u're lucky then u get good drops..
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jul 25 2012, 09:43 AM)
no, because crafting already give you better chance by default.

example like i looking for my dream monk fist. all at AH freaking damn expensive.

i bought a fist plan with 5 prop from AH, just keep crafting until you get your dream weapon
it's faster to get than farming because you are aiming on one thing. Its keep rolling the dice for the Fist.
i still havent get my dream fist yet.
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Advise: don't craft fist. craft dagger instead. If it rolls some +INT stats still can sell off.
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post Jul 25 2012, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 25 2012, 09:52 AM)
Advise: don't craft fist. craft dagger instead. If it rolls some +INT stats still can sell off.
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all weapons not profitable imo.. i have 6 props dagger and 2h axe plans.. crafted like 30 each.. max dps on dagger was only 500+.. it's ilv62 after all..
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QUOTE(ahtun9 @ Jul 25 2012, 09:51 AM)
I run 200+ MF on full act 1 usually get 2-3 ilv63s.. run 50 MF usually get 5-6.. although they're still crap..

don't think it's a necessity.. if u're lucky then u get good drops..
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no ilvl 63, ilvl62 and 61 also can wa.
Most of my gears are ilvl 61-62 and bear in mind that these items are obtained majority from AH. ilvl 61-62 still have their market.
ilvl 62 + 6 affix > ilvl 63 +3 affix

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post Jul 25 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 25 2012, 09:55 AM)
no ilvl 63, ilvl62 and 61 also can wa.
Most of my gears are ilvl 61-62 and bear in mind that these items are obtained majority from AH. ilvl 61-62 still have their market.
ilvl 62 + 6 affix > ilvl 63 +3 affix
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well i mean, generally i get lesser 61++ items.. probably just me though tongue.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:01 AM

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last night i was running around 210% MF and i got like 6-7 ilvl 62 and 1 ilvl 63 and NO ilvl 61....
but all of it are npc worthy only...haha
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 25 2012, 10:52 AM)
Advise: don't craft fist. craft dagger instead. If it rolls some +INT stats still can sell off.
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lol, fist very high value if got LoH or crits with slot. For Dagger, i need to research 1st see which plan good.
thanks for the advise
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(ahtun9 @ Jul 25 2012, 09:54 AM)
all weapons not profitable imo.. i have 6 props dagger and 2h axe plans.. crafted like 30 each.. max dps on dagger was only 500+.. it's ilv62 after all..
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again, its random, its a roll between 1xx-9xx

ive got at least 2-3 weapon that ive smithed at 7xx dmg, gave it away


Added on July 25, 2012, 10:16 am
QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jul 25 2012, 10:02 AM)
lol, fist very high value if got LoH or crits with slot. For Dagger, i need to research 1st see which plan good.
thanks for the advise
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Daggers are still better than fist

higher aspd than fist

wider class range usability (hence selling better regardless of getting non related stats)

idk why ppl overate fist so much

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post Jul 25 2012, 10:22 AM

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Adding to Ong's topic:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/x2...ablo_3_and_why/

The main point is: always choose the Act which you can quickly clear with 200+MF. Don't farm Act 3 if you cannot do it fast or cannot wear MF.

This post has been edited by Currylaksa: Jul 25 2012, 10:23 AM
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 25 2012, 10:15 AM)

idk why ppl overate fist so much
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You'll never know what the feeling of a monk wielding dagger vs fist. We had sentimental relationship on fist weapon wub.gif

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post Jul 25 2012, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 25 2012, 10:22 AM)
You'll never know what the feeling of a monk wielding dagger vs fist. We had sentimental relationship on fist weapon wub.gif
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looks i suppose

i just wasted gold buying a normal cool looking legendary helm for my barb lul

mempo of twilight or something, looks like a samurai helm xD


Added on July 25, 2012, 10:27 am
QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 10:22 AM)
Adding to Ong's topic:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/x2...ablo_3_and_why/

The main point is: always choose the Act which you can quickly clear with 200+MF. Don't farm Act 3 if you cannot do it fast or cannot wear MF.
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yeah preddy much it, but hell, farming act1 inferno all the time just sux lol, feels like working instead of playin

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post Jul 25 2012, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 25 2012, 11:22 AM)
You'll never know what the feeling of a monk wielding dagger vs fist. We had sentimental relationship on fist weapon wub.gif
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+1

i like the look monk with bad ass fist. lol

if monk hold dagger like ninja then i'll consider
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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jul 25 2012, 10:27 AM)
+1

i like the look monk with bad ass fist. lol

if monk hold dagger like ninja then i'll consider
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ahhaha but they dont, when they hold non fist weapons, its like those arahat statues pose, lmao

but monk helm skins some look like those japanese samurai armors most of it

except for those monk specific gears
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 10:22 AM)
Adding to Ong's topic:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/x2...ablo_3_and_why/

The main point is: always choose the Act which you can quickly clear with 200+MF. Don't farm Act 3 if you cannot do it fast or cannot wear MF.
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ah yeah, a WD with full MF gear on also die in Act 1 sometimes LoL
thats why i never go other act with my MF gear and only farm Act 1, unless play with my friends on Act 2+ then i will use my tank gears...
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(OnGx2 @ Jul 25 2012, 10:31 AM)
ah yeah, a WD with full MF gear on also die in Act 1 sometimes LoL
thats why i never go other act with my MF gear and only farm Act 1, unless play with my friends on Act 2+ then i will use my tank gears...
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u should feed your WD more borneo power food, so he more strong
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:35 AM

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I like Monks with polearms, looks like Xin Zhao wub.gif
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 10:35 AM)
I like Monks with polearms, looks like Xin Zhao wub.gif
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i remember my friend saying

why when i use polearm, i use my hand hit enemy wan?

laf me die jor
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 25 2012, 11:31 AM)
ahhaha but they dont, when they hold non fist weapons, its like those arahat statues pose, lmao

but monk helm skins some look like those japanese samurai armors most of it

except for those monk specific gears
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ya i know, but monk with 2hand katana look cooler than fist. i tested before
that why monk gear look like samurai sometimes.
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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jul 25 2012, 10:37 AM)
ya i know, but monk with 2hand katana look cooler than fist. i tested before
that why monk gear look like samurai sometimes.
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ok tonite time for me to put effort lvling my HC monk to wear that lul
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 25 2012, 10:37 AM)
i remember my friend saying

why when i use polearm, i use my hand hit enemy wan?

laf me die jor
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No wor, now monk attack animation using weapons laugh.gif very yeng (and slow dry.gif )
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 11:08 AM)
No wor, now monk attack animation using weapons laugh.gif very yeng (and slow dry.gif )
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i think tat was 2 patches ago lol, till now i still remember ahahah
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im a 360 perma mf user

still.. good days.. bad days.
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post Jul 26 2012, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jul 25 2012, 09:43 AM)
no, because crafting already give you better chance by default.

example like i looking for my dream monk fist. all at AH freaking damn expensive.

i bought a fist plan with 5 prop from AH, just keep crafting until you get your dream weapon
it's faster to get than farming because you are aiming on one thing. Its keep rolling the dice for the Fist.
i still havent get my dream fist yet.
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how much per gamble?

cos i find mine a 6 properties chest armor = 91k per gamble

WTF
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post Jul 26 2012, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(olman @ Jul 26 2012, 09:41 AM)
how much per gamble?

cos i find mine a 6 properties  chest armor = 91k per gamble

WTF
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from 70k+ not included ingredient

I would craft one or 2 each run of farming.


also i did my research on weapon craft yesterday. for lvl 62 weapon (fist and dagger) cannot exceed 800 dps
browse AH and you'll see. lvl 62 max i found is 766dps. the rest is lvl 63 dominate the top.


if you want do business via blacksmith. craft gears! that why its much more expensive.

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post Jul 26 2012, 09:51 AM

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I thought you need to craft 20 in a row to get better rolls?
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post Jul 26 2012, 09:52 AM

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wts The Three Hundredth Spear legendary weapon with 24% mf.
1 of the few weapons with mf.
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 26 2012, 09:51 AM)
I thought you need to craft 20 in a row to get better rolls?
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20 times roll?

wtf, 1 roll + ingredient = 120K

120K * 20 = 2,400,000

if got guarantee guding item on the 20th time then fine, but if no guarantee then faints
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Yes that is what those blacksmith is doing. out of the 20 pcs if can strike a fortune can sell for some 20 mil -> profit. A gambling anyway
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 26 2012, 02:57 PM)
Yes that is what those blacksmith is doing. out of the 20 pcs if can strike a fortune can sell for some 20 mil -> profit. A gambling anyway
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Yup..

Gloves with 6 attributes..try 100 times if 1 got 75 AR, 40% Crit Damage 7.5 Crit Chance ..cukup liao.....can earn back aledi. the rest 99 can sell cheap cheap like 5-10k as profit smile.gif

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QUOTE(geno @ Jul 26 2012, 09:52 AM)
wts The Three Hundredth Spear legendary weapon with 24% mf.
1 of the few weapons with mf.
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pm me a price...
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post Jul 26 2012, 04:09 PM

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Sorry sold it already on RMAH.
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 25 2012, 11:22 AM)
You'll never know what the feeling of a monk wielding dagger vs fist. We had sentimental relationship on fist weapon wub.gif
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hahahaha
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post Jul 27 2012, 04:34 PM

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post Jul 27 2012, 04:49 PM

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my monk equipped with 1h hammer and 1h sword...
still punching mobs =.="

anyway back to topic, yesterday tried equipping full set mf around 114% + 5NV farming act 1...
manage to get my 2nd legendary but ilevel 55...
farm with a fren with 143% + 5NV...he also got his 1st legendary...but crap stat...lol

got a few ilvl63 rare but craps...still cant confirm mf did help me get the legendary anot...lol
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ytd main gear with <50MF% and no NV buff, dropped a glove with 10% crit chance + 25% crit dmg sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jul 27 2012, 04:51 PM)
ytd main gear with <50MF% and no NV buff, dropped a glove with 10% crit chance + 25% crit dmg sweat.gif
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If the piece has int and AR, pm me and i will buy it off you.
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QUOTE(geno @ Jul 27 2012, 05:43 PM)
If the piece has int and AR, pm me and i will buy it off you.
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Ma precious with dex n physical resist flex.gif and I just happen to be stacking physical resist

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