http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/item...ment#magic-find

bottom line1: Magic Find also increases the quality of the rare, not only just drop chance
bottom line2: Farming A1 with 200+MF will get far higher quality AND quantity of rares than A3 low-MF

I always thought MF only increases chance of rare, turns out it also increases quality of the rare by increasing the chance you roll higher number of affixes.

CONCLUSION: Fuuck Act 3, just farm Act 1 or 2 with 200+MF

This post has been edited by Currylaksa: Jul 13 2012, 01:44 PM

oh mai gg

I thought this was already posted by ... somebody before? I been reading for quite a while d in LYN that magic find increases chance of more affixes too.

fark i didn't know this shit been getting gold find stuff for more gold, looks like i shoulda looked for mf items

I don't think so. This new game guide change only happened 2 days ago, it's unlikely people knew before then.

The old finding on Reddit was that it increase drop chance, and it did not affect iLvl.

*wears his max MF gear*

To the FarmMobile!

GPS, destination Tristram Inferno please.

Then it must have been some random theory by one of our LYN guys that just happened to be correct, lol. In any case, looks like D3 end game = farming Act1 with super high MF, lol.

doesn't change anything thou, hard to find good loot. Luck is still your best friend : )

yep, earlier theories were full of grey areas where no confirmation of it, at least finally someone could shed some light into this shit

Still dependent on iLvl which droprate is set.

ilvl good also no use, got good affix also no use, coz if weapon u roll 200+ dps, rly can go jiak sai liao hahaha

It's dependency on both sides for weapons. You have to get a high iLvl AND get a good affix roll. A good affix roll on a iLvl 60 weapon isn't very powerful as well. So it's really about hitting the lottery TWICE before you can earn USD 250.

AGREED, got a ilvl63 dagger with 270dex, 250vit, Loh 300++, DPS 237~~~~~~~fainted~~~

Act 1-2 still wins, even if Act 3 has more iLvl 63 drops, because

1. MF increases basic drop rate of rares,
2. MF also increases chance the rare has more affix

This double multiplicative makes Act 1 drop higher quality in general.

+1.

Roll a level 63 rare with 200 dps..give me 10 affix also it will chiak sai.

But seriously....(without any concrete data at all...)...I doont feel MF improves a drop? Why..cause I used to farm with about 250% MF (5NV) ..getting lots of yellow but 99% crap. But I have now switched to survival build with about 145% MF..and you know what.... 3 legendaries in 1 day (but useless also)..and some nice stacked rares. So MF really helps??

get archon gaulets 400 armor, iden no primary (str,int,dex,vit stats), fuuuuu..

oh curry, another thing thou, from what ive observed, grand smith plans only drop on act3/4, so yeah...

I even got a fist with 915 LoH and 168 dex. gooding? Not until you sees the 414dps

You're only having a small luck spike, which doesn't actually reflect real long term chance.

Try farming 1 month straight with 250% MF and then another 1 month straight with 145% MF.

eh I got a exalted grand manitou plan from Act2

This post has been edited by Currylaksa: Jul 13 2012, 01:55 PM

I got grand sovereign mail from act 1 ..

interesting....thats something new....thx for the info bro

well, the thing is, more rare drops means more chance to get ONE good items from all those thrash right?

"theoratically" yes, but luck can be a nasty b!tch

have to look at the level of.drops based on the acts too...

so if comparing a high mf run in act 1 vs a low mf run in act3/4 then:-
farming in act 3/4 will get u generally more better gear since more lvl63s. .. while farming in act 1 will get u more lower level junk but if get lvl63 items there is a good chance it will be better.

But that's before 1.03 .. Don't know if they fix it or not cause now I can't even get FINE plan in act 1..

i got few 700++ 2H but noone wants it... (also a 900 2H bow also noone wants it... )

I don't even know if it's my luck or what. Tried to run Act 1 with 250% MF (~50k DPS clean I think), or 186%++ MF with ~60k DPS; or 166%+ MF with ~70k DPS. All I see is <lv60 craps.. Act 3 is no where better as well. More ilv62/63 but still junks (with 166% MF).

Maybe it's just my luck

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jul 13 2012, 02:01 PM

just got 1 ilvl 63 2h xbow from act 1... open... 955dps with junk stat....

2h weapons that isint bow not many ppl will want unless the dps is 1k above, 900+ dps 2h bows got ppl sure sapu wan, i do a item drop event, ppl sapu all the 700+ above dps bows lol

It's luck indeed.
I farm Act 1 with 205% MF for weeks and can't even make money.
Now farming act 2 inferno without MF at all for few days only and got stormshield, perfect star emerald plan, skorn and many lvl63 items..

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jul 13 2012, 02:06 PM

The chances for it to drop as rare...
The chances for such rare to be an i63 equipment...
The chances of such i63 rare to roll good affixes...

oh rly? I accidentally sold a blue 1k 2h bow for dirt cheap

can i know the route of act 2 farming? i just know act 1 butcher run...

lol if u manage to sell it dirt cheap its ok. as long as not npc can d

s***....I salvaged a couple of 900+ dps 2H bows yesterday.

ahaahah thats why la bro, dun be so rash, usually i keep those items i think got value into the storage and handle them later, thats why i got so many stuff to giveaway lol

Wrong.

wat so hard, just buy from AH hahahahahahah

lol, i am one of those who can't afford even average items

My stash full LOL.

I blame Jay Wilson.

wtf u fill em up with? worst case scenario, make a couple of charc as mules, i had like 3 mules lol

sure ke... i got 1 900+ blue bow and another 900++ yellow crossbow, put on both RMAH and GAH also noone bid...

how much u sell 1st? do a market survey before u set a price bro, depends on timing one, i know last week my friend piss off coz someone underselling 1k dps bows DAMN cheap, so he couldnt be bothered vending em, in general, bows still have value if its 700+ dps and above with decent stats, poor mans bow, if u put high pricing ppl sure wont buy la

for that 900 dps blue bow, i put 1000 starting bud and 200k buy out. noone bother bid it... :S

1k blue dps can get for half that price iirc LOL

that's why i put very low bid price lar, see how far they wanna go.

usually ppl too lazy to bid or check bid price for blues la, just check the lowest price for almsot similar items on sale, undercut them

And that ends up my 1k blue bow selling 30k

30k better than npc or salvage lul

Mf useless lah!! I log in game and kill 1st elite with zero mf then drop a set item I sold in rmah aud80. I farm whole night with 100%+ mf in act then all drop blue and yellow junk... The LV from 52 to 61... What to say?

u got hak seng that day, confirm

same to me, but i got legend spear, sole for 300k only


Is swappping the MF is still can use?

Is he hou choi that day only, then hak seng everyday..

which set item? I wanna sell my tal rasha's mask, hm...

Forgot wat name.. Chest armor 1xx inte.. 7x vit.. But with 2 socket... Don't say me like tat lah.. Hope we all 幸运everyday ..

I've ALWAYS thought this is the case when they gave us the extended tables. Nice to see it's still the same

it's random..
my friend NV5 = 270 MF% farm at Act 3.. for hours already

1. he fight elite, call me join ingame..
2. i at RMAH sell my thing..
3. accept invitation, join the game
4. TP straight to him
5. he already killed the elite
6. i got 32% MF and din hit the enemy
7. i see chocolate2 shield and 1 rare
8. dafuq~ identified~ STORMSHIELD 24% block
9. my friend rageeeeeeeeeee... "ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu!"
10. i leave game put RMAH pipu bought AUD69.99

MF% LJ MF%

need to have 2 set now before blizzard fix MF % to be individual
when i wear MF gear and party with people, i always get craps and my friends always get uber items lol, and they dont even use any MF gears at all, damn rugi

our virtual heroes got MF, we also got our own MF...maybe u wear red baju, red pants, red underwear...it might increase ur MF a bit more...

Running around with 300% MF......not anything worth selling found, so far most expensive sold is 1.5mill gold & USD4.30 (before blizz tax)

from what i observe most buddy with lower MF or no MF built is getting nice stuff, though not in numbers, but in quality.

example say i may have found 100 yellows...identify..only 10 worth keeping, fren found around 20..but also 10 worth keeping...cehhh (silap silap his 10 much more better in value)


KNS...&%$#@

Yaya, use red cm Haf 933 casing with red led fans, red mouse, red keyboard... before kill elite must pray 1st...

mf0% with 10 elites drops got 1 gooding = 10%
mf300% with 100 elites drops got 1 gooding = 1%

How not to rage? Sure rage one.

Ppl overlook that he got another 99% okok items can turn into essense/sell cheap cheap.

This post has been edited by yuhhaur: Jul 13 2012, 04:45 PM

I always before killing the champion/elite.....pause ....get a live chicken and sacrifice it to the Lord of Hell, Diablo. Unpause..kill eleite and get imba EQ!!!

Wroks everytime...MF is mehhhhhhhh

and once it drop a gooding you need to buy roasted ayam to pay homage back.

Its ok..seems like Diablo like Nandos and not too keen on Kenny Rogers.

I am willing to pay 2 dinner plates KFC if I can get my Natayla set.....

normally kelefeh and noobs have better luck than tryhards

its random liao
whole bullshit MF% theory can gtfo liao

Nope. People have done testing with large sample sizes and posted in Reddit.

You just got lucky, I suspect the completely unproven kelefeh theory

^ u got good drop because of your friend high MF% isnt it? your Magic Find is the average of total MF in the party:

(270 + 32) / 2 = 151%

If u swap MF gear for the last kill all the time, u will notice u get more rares that way, not sure about the quality though.

Haha, must play like black jack when identify lv63 items too, rite?

lulz, it's my luck then..
but happened alot to me already..
nice rare item even during NV stack 1-2 (dun wear any MF% gears, since my current gears let me farm anywhere in inferno solo)
normally Act 3 is the best.. chances for ilvl63 gears appear are of coz better.. and monsters are easier to kill than Act 4.. =)
and those items ilvl63 dropped in Act 3 normally all can be sold at AH min 100k/pcs
farming at Act 1 & Act 2 just boring and the loot sucks

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Added on July 13, 2012, 6:23 pmdat is the best part

This post has been edited by DrLaboo: Jul 13 2012, 06:23 PM

lol then nt the time to get mf gears now , ill go full dps haha

Incorrect. The double multiplicative effect of MF on item quality and drop rate would make MF A1 drop better loot than non-MF A3.

You're just a very blessed guy.

uiyooo..abit sakit hati woooo, play with frens, drop gooding yellow then put at chat screen, few minit, put chat screen, few minit put chat screen...then ask me "eh..u no get goodies arr" (summore MF% contributor in group )

I regret selling half of my MF stuff now ARGHUNHGN

Eh dont regret la.
Im pretty sure the mobs on higher level have higher chance to drop 6 affix.

Ppl have been short sighted by the example and assumed that all mobs have same affix drop rate across inferno acts.
Im pretty sure this is not the case.Best case scenario is that with 200% base mf, you'll get comparable affix drop rate to farming act 2.

Im pretty sure developers already have the cap mf in check when determining the drop rates.

I also think theres a hidden mechanic for drop rate after certain numbers of elites fought and also the number of people in party.
Ive been doing quick runs and full dungeons clears, and full dungeons clears wins hands down in terms of drop rate with the same time frame.

Ppl dont even realize how roll value = sell value, and how certain valuable affix like ias,sockets, melee/ranged reductions, have low roll value etc.
If you have 3k sell value ilvl63 wep with 500dps, thats a frigin high roll there, but it might roll into crappy stats like life on kill instead of dps.
Ppl dont even realize that they DID get high roll, just that it was unfavorable stats.

And theyd go like "wtf...all trash.."
Instead of "fuu...3k sell value...bad high roll"


This post has been edited by nightshade_nova: Jul 13 2012, 08:02 PM

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:27 AM

Stats are determined before ID (upon dropping on the ground). No matter you, that other guy or that cat in America ID the same item, it'll be the be the same. that's why buying and selling un-ID items is a big gamble. Nothing can change a crap drop.

Someone found this out the first few days of diablo when there are some rollbacks. He Ided, roll-rollback and ID again... he got the exact same item.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:27 AM

I only play Wizard yet I get a gazillion loot of every other class... except mine. It's all random.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:28 AM

Try not to act so smug? This wasn't how mf worked according to what was posted before. Mf affecting rolls was info posted just 24 hours ago.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:28 AM

No. Higher level doesn't increase chance to drop 6 affix, MF does.

It just has higher base chance to drop higher ilvls. But that advantage can be evened with MFing lower acts.

MF% 290 here.....still not getting any good item....Act 1-Act 3.....feel the same....some time act 3 elite drop 52 lv....item -.-

ever get any 1h weapon abv 1k dps ?:

You will find, dear sir, that Blizzard told the community that mf worked exactly like in D2, ie it only affected drop rate, not quality. That's why people are so puzzled over on General Discussion. Not targeting you specifically, just correcting misinformation.

Have a good day.

THIS^

nabs laboo time u got stormshield i use full MF gear with swap macro thats why...fffuuuuuuuu.. lulz. luckily got better stormshield yday with 30% block if not ayam still rage haha...

btw juz now no NV and 11%MF , my 1st elite drop 279 DEX glove and 8.5 cric chance worth 30-50m lol...dunno why this week luck so sky high... -.-

this one i agree..
high MF% guarantee quality item?
bullshit

only 2 hand....so far 1 hand....all below 800 -.-

wanna test?

Go do the alaric quest in act 1.
Go to the warriors rest, get the checkpoint, kill the elite.
tp to town.
leave game, and resume game.

repeat for an hour and post results.

ok...let u know the result

ya give input on item level and rare/legendary results.

Its very hard to say...I tried b4 I farm without MF 1 day I got 2 legendary..

and CB with 200mf I got only rare

The theory that mf in act 1 is better than no mf on act 3 only holds true if the base affix drop rates of elite are same throughout the acts.
Pretty sure it is not.

If I ask you how much base 6 affix drop rate for act 1 and for act 3, would you know?

Speculatively, the numbers could even be as extreme as for act 1 you have a base chance of 0.75%, and with 300%mf youd get it up to 3%, while in act 3 you may already have a base of 4%
What youre proposing require base chance of act1 to be as high as act 3 which is in a perfect world, act 1 elites chance to drop 6 prop is 4% and same as act 3.Pretty damn sure that isnt the case.

If you approach from dev pov, youd ideally want a ratio which scales with the max mf across all act so it all ties up.
Thats why act 1 and act 2 was also buffed when act 3 was buffed.They dont simply put out random numbers.(hint:if youre a nerd, you can investigate the ratio using the buffed numbers from the changelog and slide in the max mf somewhere in the calculations too )

Youd want to design the game to be somewhat like this:(just hypothetically)
Farming effectiveness of Act 1 with max mf = Act 2 with half the max mf = Act 3 without mf

So in a sense, a player ultimate goal would be farming in act 3 with a little mf by sacrificing offense/defense here and there.

The priority of the design should be that you sacrifice offensive/defensive stats in favor of mf, and there should be a threshold of which you are able to do so, which mf swapping completely destroys as you can go full brunt and still get the benefits of max mf+high ilvl drop rate+high base affix drop rate.

Thats why mf swap is so prevalent in act 3 and will be nerfed as it goes above the limiting shackle of drop rate ratio.
The multiplicative nature of mf means right now, act 3 swappers ARE WAY beyond the end of the spectrum in terms of drop rate.





This post has been edited by nightshade_nova: Jul 14 2012, 03:27 AM

i farm with 340-350 buffed always..... and when the server is crap... what? 5 affix? many suffer the same thing. its not just me