Sorry, typo. It is 10K armor.
Only when surrounded by monsters, reflect damage and gain life.
FYI, it is a MUST skill to keep Barb alive.

LOH is needed for both Barb and Monk.

P/S Barb won't get killed surrounded by normal creeps. Monk has no problem with creeps too.
It is the elite fight that makes a huge difference in terms of survival.

P/S High life steal, LOH - that comes with a cost. Revenge gives almost an instant healing, only when the Barb is surround by monsters.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2012, 02:00 PM

whats the different if you're teleporting into plague and molten fire trail? or worse arcane lasers in the way going through your target and you're teleporting TO that target
you're still going to be a corpse no different than your barb.

with deadly reach i can at least do better positioning, hit through walls and shit. which i find it WAY better until i get better gears to use FoT

other barbs (like my friends) farm act 3 (who farms act 4? lol) and clear inferno diablo with 20-40k dps, and armor/AR around what you mentioned, if they can do it, you cant, what does that say? if other monks are facing issues with that stats while you're not, what does that say then?

barbarians are clearly the most gear dependent class in this game, there is no denying that. and monk DOES have an edge over barb when both are in "non-kickass" gear. however in BOTH tanking AND DPS, once both gears up, barb WILL out perform the monk no matter what because of how barb scales better with gear.

i dont even want to begin with dps because of how frenzy/revenge/WoTB works. lets just go with tanking. my friend can EASILY facetank most elites with similar/lesser stats (resist, i got more because i can double stack with OwE, another misconception on stacking resist being cheaper on monk. true, but its a PITA to stack armor on monk compared to barb hence it somewhat evens out)

reason being i have to WAIT on my cooldowns for heals, else i rely on LoH (which id try not to hence i dont gear up for LoH specifically) which isnt enough for most face tanking situations; while my barb friends just use his marathon, revenge, ignore pain that ALL HEALS him, CONSISTENTLY. the biggest difference to the barb/monk healing is barbs can do it on COMMAND AND WITH CONSISTENCY while we have to rely on shitty cooldowns. gears CANNOT SCALE with cooldowns and static heal, while they CAN with barb's % based healing.

and AGAIN like i said, your perception of barb gear being expensive, is due to your monk gear being depreciated. hence cheaper gear. a 800 dps weapon today is almost worthless compared to a 800 dps weapon on May 15.

What's the difference? The difference is you have better chance to survive.
I completed A3 and A4 with less than 10 repairs with my monk.
With my Barb, I spent at least 500K on repairs in A4 alone.

It is difficult to explain to you in every detail.
I have played both and I know how both can do in real game play.

P/S I still keep checking the price of weapon and gears at AH for my Barb. I want a Barb with 100K DPS or go whirlwind with high LOH.
The price is still very high. I can't use 1.2 weapon because it is really slow for Barb.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2012, 02:07 PM

bro, micro skill bro. like a starcraft player.

just teleport to other mob without molten or arcane.
that how i deal with shielding. i teleport to non shielding and LoH. You can escape from gangbang by teleport to destroyable item too.


i can kill a pack of mob without attacking. just using backslash. i just simply click randomly on mob to teleport here and there gain extra dodge rate but it just for fun.

and thats why i kept pointing out that most probably, you played better on your monk than your barb. PROBABLY, monk is a more suitable class for your play style.

weapon wise, both classes share similar stats/requirement. so you will be getting similar, if not the same price. (eg: flix, arguably our best monk here, uses an axe. slow 1.2 (or was it 1.3?) base speed 1h axe. a barb would use the same weapon too so long it has the appropriate stats (barb goes str, monk goes dex while the rest same such as crit/LoH. arguably there are more monk around cuz kungfufighting pew pew, hence more demand, hence dex should be more expensive)

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Added on July 26, 2012, 2:12 pmid still prefer 18% straight dmg buff or 50% armor until my base stats can sustain myself without those buffs

also, hitting elites through door/walls are just plain priceless. i take no dmg

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 26 2012, 02:12 PM

each people have different play style no point arguing.
i play thunderclap coz i duel wield with Loh and crits.

Deadly reach give nice armor but not suitable for my build, tested before.

i swap between 18% dmg or 50% armor as i said before, at this point it isnt as much about play style or skill, its my dps gears unable to let me sustain myself killing efficiently without relying on the 18% dmg buff.

your gear (at least on dps side) i believe outgears mine, so it's more of a gearing issue at this point.

Ehhh... I think that's because you never bothered with the Zrave guides I linked, so you kept making the same gearing boo-boo on your barb (looking for all desired stats in every piece)

then go play monk, dont play barb

price of AH is based on supply and demand, not to mention scoundrels flipping the price and how expensive they are selling it knowin there is a huge demand

ive been looking thru this particular debate and i see no point in further discussing as the problem is rather obvious and trivial

if you want to improve your role as a "tanker" barb, i can suggest you go to the barb thread and ask the rest, most DPS barb went thru the phase of tanking, and they switched to dps for obvious reasons

i dont think your argument even have a consistency and valid points tbh, its beating around the bush with hit & runs

Don't know bee also interested in monk discussion

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Added on July 26, 2012, 2:25 pmHow's your Hardcore Monk?

This post has been edited by yuhhaur: Jul 26 2012, 02:25 PM

and probably on the same page, a lot of folks here (like flix) kept spoon feeding information to new monks

my close friend plays a HC monk, and i do play it for a particular period before it died, so even between my friends, we still discuss about the skill sets solo and coop, i rarely would want to voice out my opinion on monks, but since barb is involved in this so called "who is the better tanker" argument, i read and find it rather pointless and misleading.

Zrave guides didn't show me how to get 100K DPS.

If you are referring to my puny 20K DPS gears / 10K armor / 800+ AR (unbuffed) / 46K HP, I think it is pretty much max out with my budget.
I had already got my gears before you posted the video. There would be an additional "switching" cost if I bought other gears.
I will try improve my Barb to a 100K DPS after I completed other class.

I think it is a different topic.
What we first discussed is, with the same similar 20K DPS setup, Monk is a lot easier to play.
I think you'll come to that soon... real soon.

i also got a lvl60 barb, lvl60 monk and lvl60 DH
i find barb's gear cheaper compared to monk due to the fact that dex item are crazy expensive, and i also made a mistake by stacking fire res which is expensive compared to other res such as poison, cold or lightning....

my friend build a ww barb with just 3mil and he can faceroll act 2 and survivable in act3

just my 2cents

But but but... Monk and DH can share eq

so you're going to claim a class being better than the other because of a mistake you committed? how could you :/

Yeah that's the thing... after you finished your 1st barb build, your gearing knowledge increased a lot.

So when you started on your monk only recently, you already know what to do, can max out budget cantik cantik

i agree. i have played all character until act 2 inferno except wizard now lvl 50.
coz strength only barb will hunt. unlike dex and int

i would say barb and monk are awesome class.

This is interesting.
Please get your friend to share more information on the gears and skill he has and post it on Barb discussion thread.
3M is not really a lot of gold.

I'm sure it will help a lot of Barbs who are still stuck at A2.

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Added on July 26, 2012, 2:40 pmMistake?
I was referring to the same stats, monk is easier to play.
If you are referring to "expensive" gears, Monk's DEX items are usable on DH. How can it be expensive?
Most of Barb's STR items is meant for Barb only. It's useless for other class. I salvaged an amulet from my Barb, which has no STR in it.

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Added on July 26, 2012, 2:45 pmIn fact, not exactly true.
You can see my stats in D3, I max out DEX/VIT in each and every items (with my budget), including the weapon.
The price I got was cantik-cantik. Perhaps the price has dropped.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2012, 02:45 PM

you already said monk and dh uses dex which means i believed that there are more demand for dex items out there compared to str item which only useful to barbs

and also i believed the supply will always be there however the demand for dex items are so much higher than str items which leads to you know what.