Lol..butting in. First of yeah Lydon is funny....hell lot better than Kormac. He is good for a range player if you give him a high percentage Windforce, he can really keep mobs at bay with his chill/knockback.

As for the STI point, sorry to revive it ..and not intending to repeat myself..but even with the nerf ...MONKS will still use it irrregardless.Reason is other passive is just too shitty....so the build diversity?? At least give an alternative to STI..buff other passives..especially with a offensive passive. The current offensive passive is meeeehhh...unless you got octopus hands .. or risk whacking your keyboard to pieces..lol

giving a legendary to a follower to make him viable is hardly "viable" at all.

you can just say giving green lantern/stormshield etc to kormac makes him the ultimate tank for rangers, or legendary 2 handers with high ass dps and int so that eirena can 1 shot mobs in inferno (not that it wasnt possible pre 1.0.4 before they buff white mobs' health, and im sure people can easily do it with enough gear to eirena)
why bother knockback when eirena can 1 shot people and provide you with uber armor buff right?

they said they are going changing it, just not yet. i'll tell you straight up i'll still use STI until i see an offensive alternative (which as you said, none yet).
crying foul because they merely took the first step to promote more diversity is just too much of a whiner if you ask me. i mean, yeah sure it sucks to get nerf, however as i said it before and i'll say it again: what does crying about it (especially on LYN) do? hell, not to mention crying for the wrong purpose.

if you're gonna harp on monk viability, go harp on how useless other passives are, and provide constructive feedbacks about it. maybe it would actually not annoy me and post offensive replies.

Heh...well a Windforce is actually cheap (you can get a decent one for about 500k)..I got mine after I sold a 49% knock back and made some gain. reason why Lydon is preferable is for the 3% CC increase. I dual Hxbow, so I dont need more ASI. As a DH, CC is gold if you drop SS. Also, I wouldnt rely on eirina when her armour buff is going to be reduced to 5% next patch. Aint that uber anymore...

Well, on the STI point and I am not trying to take this further but to me its wrong to take away something and not provoding alternatives. Armour is essential to a melee class, if you are going to take away that, at least offer an alternative, which is exactly what happened to Barbs (nerf and buff others). Sad to see Blizzrd is not offering any alternatives in respect of the nerf, yet gave the impression that the nerf is warranted in so far for buld diversity.If that is so, then they should nerf Archery as well, since 100% of DH is using it.....weird huh..build diversity? Again, I with you on offensive passive, which is lacking.

IMHO it is not that other passive sucks, just that the current OwE & STI is having too big gap to others.
OwE is something replaceable if you properly geared (which, most of us only stacked to one resist to make use of the passive)
They nerf the STI just to hope it can bring the gap closer so that we can choose more "build diversify" but unfortunately our fellow monks are too used to the STI. Ask us to get rid of them is like stabbing the dagger on the chest. That is why there is so many whining. Sorry to say Bliz did it wrong at the first place.
I hope Bliz can do something to the dodge chance so that, without high armor, monk can still survive.

Cool, america server right? care to PM tags for more coalition synergy.

Thanks.

and also here:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2535718

woo add already, many thanks

i understand why it was done... but it's like, smoking is not good for your health, let's make cigarette more expensive...

u feel me bro?

why are you comparing your DH against a monk aiyoh
if your DH prefers to use enchantress over say, templar, i think it goes to show how op she is before the nerf

barbs get nerf/buffs and as you said, having alternatives, hence they are at the top, true.
however again, blizzard said that monks have a lot of room for improvements (aka more fixes coming in), so i think it's too early to judge the class and hell, statistics blizz released previous did indicate monks doing pretty damn fine (though obviously not at the top)

nothing is being taken away (100 -> 50% is not 0%, mind you), and overall monster damage gets reduced. BEAR IN MIND that using higher mp level difficulties to compare is just stupid because it simply means you need better gear, as with other classes. you can argue that ranged classes can kite, however more often than not they do take damage and they actually do need armor/resist just like everyone else (but of course, you can smoke screen your way out being a DH, i get it, i believe everyone does too. however not everyone have smoke screen, do at least understand that)

and yes, if you read back on blizz's take with DH, they did mentioned that being a DH is too binary, or monotonous. aka/tldr: the class could use a LOT of work to promote build diversity, without destroying it completely (remember back then when DH used to dominate [hell they actually still kinda do with the exception of really well geared barbs] while melees or other classes struggles inferno so hard until nerf bats after nerf bats towards the class) by over nerfing them to the ground.
so with that said, i wouldn't be overly surprised if archery gets nerfed, or even smoke screen (for the up-tenth time lolz)

at the end of the day, a nerf typically yields sour feelings/negative results, however if you can look into the bigger picture and/or the reason behind it, perhaps then you'll think "hey, it actually isn't so bad after all"

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Added on October 5, 2012, 7:06 pm
yeap agree.

and 2 ways to bridge the gap closer are:
- nerf OwE/STI
- buff others passives

obviously they chosen 1. we'll have to wait and see how that will play out

they really need to bridge the stats gap, or have RNG reliance reduction with dodge.
trust me, that shit plagued WoW back then (and probably still do to a certain extent even today although i no longer play it anymore so i cant say for sure), and this game is what, barely even a year while WoW is already some 6 or 7 years in the running!

like i said, crying for changes that aren't even being properly tested (not to mention still being on PTRs), on a forum that isn't bnet, is just, stupid.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 5 2012, 07:16 PM

sorry la i don't smoke, so can't feel you

Phew....was trying my luck in Normal mode, Act 2, Vault of the Assassin for 5 stack of NV, then go to clear Oasis....finally got the ring.

Just want to touch on the alternative.

IMO, the alternative would be changing gears.

I am not sure whether you aware or not, Blizzard has been giving us many many gears.

i.e. It is common to have 700-800+ Armor from the chest armor and pants nowadays.
i.e. Gears like Vile Ward is giving tons of Armor/AR/Core stat. Another example is Ice Climbers.
i.e. It is also getting common for a yellow rare to have 200+ core stat and high armor. You know, yellow rare with the core stat of "Ice Climbers" or "Vile Ward" (refer to the attachment).

I didn't bid the pants for my Monk today (as I planned to upgrade gears for my Wiz/WD instead). The price of the pants was about 40m+.
God-like attributes, 713 Armor / 135 STR / 90 DEX / 180 VIT / 80 AR / 50 PHY RESIST / 2 sockets
If I got this item, my armor after patch 105 will be about 6400-6500. And AR will be 1080. Both armor & AR unbuffed.

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Added on October 6, 2012, 4:21 amYour resistance at level 60 + Paragon LVL12...

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Oct 6 2012, 04:30 AM


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Hehe, bro i wearing MF set (227% base n without NV yet) to hunt for leoric signet ring which only drop at Normal mode.
Normal mode no need any resistance. I just activate MoC (Submission) + passive (fleet footed) + 12% movement speed....can clear the map very fast.

for the first time, beat diablo inferno yesterday with my monk..

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SMK-6728/hero/7945934

This post has been edited by K5WHITE: Oct 6 2012, 09:41 AM

i'm afraid 90 dex is not exactly godly by today standards...

40mil?! i rather farm till i drop!

90 dex with 2 free sockets. Insert 2 x 50 DEX gems and you'll have 190 DEX.

713 Armor + 135 STR + 190 DEX = 1038 Armor for a pants.
Not godly?

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Oct 6 2012, 11:50 AM

inna temperance gooding

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Added on October 6, 2012, 2:46 pmDH and barb had its prime time. one day soon we will see monks in its prime, maybe in PVP? (i know its a long way to go but better later than never)

hopefully~

This post has been edited by sexbomb: Oct 6 2012, 02:46 PM

can i add you guys in the game??

budget 3m improve dps of this XD
what to change leh?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/duabiji...85/hero/4396871

This post has been edited by duabijitelur: Oct 7 2012, 01:02 AM

Hoho, managed to sell leoric signet for 50millions (average stats). After 15% deduction from Blizzard....left around 42 millions.

Time for shopping.