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gladfly
post Aug 17 2012, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Aug 17 2012, 03:46 PM)
for me, u should increase your dex first. try to get above 1500. then, DPS... 15k is prolly too low for dual wielder...
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Ya..the vit also needs a boost. The fist weapon is great..but ..lack of dex+CC+CD....DPS suffer badly...sad.gif
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post Aug 17 2012, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(don^don @ Aug 17 2012, 03:58 PM)
my previous dex is 16xx, after i change my weapon, my dex dropped badly, despite the dps staying lulz... laugh.gif i'm still trying to scout for dual wield with 900+ dps and 200+ dex.

how about you guys recommend me stats that i should actually seek for, for example the amulet. i've been scouting for many weeks but i still can't settle down for which stat i should seek for.

amulet - dex/IAS/CC/CD or dex/vit/AR

weapon - 800dps/dex or 800dps/IAS/CC/CD or 800dps/dex/CC/CD

something like that. i still can't make up my mind sad.gif
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I wont say I am monk sifu as my monk only finished Act 1. But..from what I can see...monk really underpowered. i.e my DH can tank a hell lot better than a Monk.

I currently play trying max DPS monk..rather than tank monk (the irony..DH tanker ..Monk glass cannon)...so my suggestion to your query (IMHO)

I always think jewelery are attacked focus (eventhough I got the Ammy offered above..lol

Amulet - go for CC/CD/ASI in that order...then only main stats. ). Reason to chose CC first is Amulets have high CC%..as it can go up to 8%. Same with CD 60%. ASI...better get it from rings

Rings -ASI/CD/CC in that order...reason CC in rings are expensive as they can go up to 4.5% only..not worth the millions poured over...next Vit/Dex/Str

Weapons:- DPS is the main criteria. Get highest DPS you can buy. CD/socket next. No CC for weapons..hence.

Try to aim about 35k DPS/30k HP. Its possible with a 900+ weapon with 30++ CC and 250CD. drop the LoH and add CD to your off hand fist (but of course you need to up your CC otherwise its just useless) eg no point having 400CD when CC is 5%.

How you play is to stack defensive skills- MoC/Serenity/BoH/Wind. + Enchantress for Armour buff

Thats how I do it..for Act 1. Really easy...havent started Act 2 but I guess can pull through as I am back farming Act 2/3 on my DH. Good luck
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post Aug 17 2012, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Aug 17 2012, 05:47 PM)
1.5K LOH is quite a lot.
800 LOH and above should be fine for A3/A4.
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Ahaha..until you meet the farter...then its 2k LoH smile.gif


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post Aug 23 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Aug 23 2012, 02:01 PM)
since i'm just starting to dual weld, wanna ask a question
is there any different in placing which weapons in main and offhand?
need some guidance here.

what should i look for in a main hand?
what should i look for in a offhand?

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Yup....higher DPS on main hand..

I think theres an video by Krip on this..smile.gif
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post Sep 5 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 5 2012, 01:47 PM)
with 680AR and 4.9k armor and not using MoE/MoH you can try balance them to 1:10 ratio (optimum). 600AR+6k armor is the recommended for A3.
pickup radius for health globe la, not for gold
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Funnily..I hate pick up radius..I prefer dont have it so can I leave the globe when I kite... usually with pick up radius you just makan makan globe even with full health which is a waste..smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2012, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 18 2012, 11:00 AM)
In term of faster: Does it matter if you kill elites in 15secs or 30 secs? to me is as long as I got the kill in less than a minute, fair enough.

Now I farm items for my other chars own use. My barb reached 60 last week, now DH's bow & quivers are taking up space of my stash. sooner or later will be WD & Wiz as the items I farmed are clogging up.

Sales? Pretty bad lately can't sell a shit. 100k also no buyer for a [800dps 1H 45%CD 2.8%LS axe], people are all aiming for [800dps soketed 60%CD 3%LS/500LoH +main stat, got 200VIT also don't want]
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here..here...800 DPS weapon is utterly worhtless liao...I salvage most of mine.. even bought a fist with 882 DPS, 48 LPSS, 2.5% LS and 50% CD for 25k just to test . Cheap mang...

As for the stash, I really hope Blizzard will add an additional tab. Otherwise just create a mule and stash the other gears there lor smile.gif.

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post Sep 18 2012, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 18 2012, 11:43 AM)
dunno? how much u recon?
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Max 100k I think... DPS way too low ler.. I got a 897 DPS with 55% CD and socket also cannot sell more than 200k sad.gif
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post Sep 18 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 18 2012, 11:50 AM)
got Life on Hit?
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LoH ..no but 400 LoH is not really usefull. If you want to stack CD and CC..I find LS + LoH is better especially with SW. loH doesn proac with SW but LS does ( I think..correct me if I am wrong). I can run Act 3 with 800 LoH with 2.5 LS + 350 Regen, easily. Just have to push the average DPS to 30k above which is easy as long you have high CC and CD.
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post Sep 18 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 18 2012, 12:14 PM)
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so i went from LpSS -> pure weapon dps -> LoH.....now u tell me LS
no moneh~
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Dont have to play 1 style la...balance is the key. LoH is essential...make no mistake. But ...it scales badly once you go beyond 1.2k or something like that. LS and LPSS is great to "compliment" LoH. I have all 3 now...actually 4.. 800 LoH (ahaha..I have a blue amulet that gives me 650 LoH...how about that smile.gif and 45 LPPS, 2.5 % LS and 350 Regen. Its good enough as I find it is balanced that way. 4 ways of getting life back + BoH and spamming MoC overraw... I can face tank most mob in Act 3. Only Ghom is a problem...ahaha..that one just need pure LoH, which is weapon swappable... I can get about 2.5k LoH If I want..but DPS will drop like fly...to 14k DPS.Ahahaha..

I am thinking of dropping STI and maybe replace it with Transcence since with the 50% nerf to STI. But then again dont take my word as gold since my monk is the secondary toon I play.. (main is a DH) and most of my items are recycled DH gears.

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post Sep 18 2012, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 18 2012, 12:34 PM)
actually my dps now dont really require me to have any form of life steal mechanism already. im starting to feel that both of my sword is limiting my dps upgrade from hitting 100k dps unbuff unallly.

dem son~!
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100k DPS unbuff???

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post Sep 18 2012, 02:20 PM

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i hate imps..especially Molten/Fast imps...damn small and run around..knn.....chase them ..no LoH but keep standing on molten....gg fast!
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post Sep 18 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(M2K2Land @ Sep 18 2012, 02:50 PM)
I still agreed with some say, balance build is better.

defence 6k-7k
dps 40k-100k
resistance 600-800
LoH - 800-2k
LS - 2-5%

for my build
my defend is 8k (after nef will be 7k)
dps 40k unbuff 70k buff (I can go up to 70k unbuff when i scarified some defence(dex/vit))
resistance 800+
Loh 1.5k
Ls 5.6
CC 20+
CD 300+

I will only die 1-3 times to clear actIII
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Wow..nice 1.5k LoH with 5.6 LS....with your DPS ....solo 1 hour clear Act 3?
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post Sep 18 2012, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Sep 18 2012, 05:34 PM)
yea, mission to hit 100k dps unbuff, currently at 80k dps unbuff
ya we discussed alot on it, but after the kripp vid it always seem to favor LoH unless you are doing massive dmg per hit.
but im sure i wont move into that direction. if im going big on dps i will disregard both LoH and LS to achieve that target
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Krip video i thik was 113k damage = 8XX LoH.
But you think about it..100k unbuff will gain you approx 7xx life per hit if you got LS 3%. At the moment, LS is pretty cheap. Now I kinda of regret selling my Echo Mace with 3% LS. (hated the damn fear chance)..but the 1.2k DPS 1 hand with 1.45 AS was awesome smile.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 06:11 PM)
when was the vid posted?
how much dps everyone was doing back then?
do you remember how much krip's  barb hit for during his first hardcore inferno diablo clear?

nowdays, everyone can do 100k dmg/hit EASY. heck, saw that video where 7ss crits for 1mil dmg? that EASILY > LoH by FAR.

bear in mind, 100k dps shown in your inventory, doesn't mean you only do 100k dps. that inventory does not take account into your aoe, and your skill modifiers. even simple FoT is 110% dmg.

let me repeat this:
krip's 113k dmg, is 113k damage being whacked out, on a SINGLE target on your actual SCREEN against a monster. NOT 113k shown on your inventory screen.

hope this clears up for you (and everyone else) smile.gif
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So true....the damage shown in inventory does not include extras like Fot 110% (which can be boosted by Helm for further +14%) and MoC/BoH extra damage. Thus even if your inventory show 100k DPS..you can whack at times 300k easily (assuming your crit at high level of the weapon base damage) plus with all the additional buff you get from eg FoT, additional lighting damage, MoC, BoH. Thus, the times where LS looks bad actually looks very good now smile.gif. 300k if connect is about 1.8k life at 3%. If dual 3.6k at 6%..no LoH can reach 3.6k life period. Plus as Quaza said this is not inclusive of AoE...which I am hoping someone will answer.

Does LS proc with AoE? If yes..Sweeping Wind is IMBA!!!!

This post has been edited by gladfly: Sep 18 2012, 08:22 PM
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post Sep 18 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Sep 18 2012, 08:09 PM)
Another vid of dealing with PhaseBeast elite... not that anyone ask.  tongue.gif  nothing to do... same technique:

- blind
- hit hit hit (overawe as usual)
- 7SS
- if still not dead, Serenity to end it

(Warning: Forgot to turn off music... you may want to lower your volume before playing)




Added on September 18, 2012, 8:20 pm

It's actually "% Damage dealt converted to Life", so ya, including AoE. Not to be picky in the calculation but:

300k LS at 3% in Inferno = 300k * 3% * 20% = 1800 life.
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Thanks ...true..ahaha..100k = 600 life. I didnt even compute it..cause I just used Kripp figure of 113k for about 8XX Life.. ahaha..will edit it for clorrectness. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 18 2012, 09:57 PM)
krip chose LOH over LS because it gives consistency.
That is a general idea.

If you can dish out 100K damage every of your hit, assuming you have full 6% LS, you get 1200 life return.

Well, not many people can have 100K DPS.
You are one of the very few.
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Well..actually you can Aleune...100k consistently is achievable nowadays....just go glass cannon ....I.e stack the highest DPS weapon with max dex and from Buffs...

BoH and MoC together (for 3 sec) gives 63% additional damage without any crits. So imagine a 1.2k mace with 2500 dex...with WOThF... me thinks its possible smile.gif


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post Sep 18 2012, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 18 2012, 10:16 PM)
Oh, I get it.

You produce high DPS from crit chance.
What if no crit chance? And you only produce 5K + 5K + 50K?
As I explained to cowithgun, it is not advisable to rely life regen on chances.

LS, if you can produce high DPS, on chances.
LOH is a more direct and consistent life recovery.
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Yes LoH is more direct..IMHO for a monk its not ideal. For the simple reason you need to hit a mob to regain the life, whereas my monk has sweeping wind which does not proc LoH, but still gives me LS. Dont you think the cyclone is wasted when it hits doesnt proc LoH. For me LS is better in the sense that once I get enough cyclones up...doesnt matter if the cyclones are hitting for 10k only as each hits would grant me 60 life return and that is not taking into considration that the damage I am whacking out. Its more effective in that sense...

Simple sikit-sikit lama lama jadi bukit...smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 18 2012, 10:48 PM)
if gladfly can confirm that SW can proc LS, then no, LS doesn't require you to touch the mob to gain life.
while i cannot confirm for everything, my enchantress which does have LS from a recent weapon upgrade, gains life from erosion ticks while she is running (with me) for our lives biggrin.gif

also, math. i made it clear that as you gain more dmg, LS wins. in this game where everything is on farm status, what else is there to do besides killing faster? (assuming going whatever playstyle be it LoH or LS or LPSS or natural life regen does not get you killed)

and i have pointed multiple times: you don't need chances when your consistency is already there. if you crit, welp enjoy your bonus healing/overhealing. if you don't crit, that kewl too cuz that's all you need.
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I dont know for a fact..but my personal experiance is ..I used to have onlyLoH about 1.6k , Made a switch to LS + 775LoH, DPS didnt move a lot mabye additional 4K but I find that the LS+loH combo is more efficient in filing back my life compared with just pure LoH.

#Aleune - When I said LS doesnt need to be hit..it meant secondary damage dealers like cyclone..which once proac..you just let it run its course. Of course LS you still have to do damage to gain the life back thus you still need to "hit" mobs but you can do it various ways. LoH is constant hitting...i.e you must hit with your mouse pointer to get the loH, thus in situation when in CC, LoH is pretty useless, but LS still works=wind+cyclone. I hope you get it...
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 19 2012, 02:34 PM)
Berapa?
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Hmmm....ya belapa? I also wannn..bidding a WKL 915 DPS with mains stats only no CD for about 350k...cheap ah? Just wanna test the +lightnign damage and see how it goes...ahaha..

Anyone using WKL? Any gooding ah?

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QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Sep 19 2012, 02:53 PM)
nah doubted that..why u wanna go for the 8 player command monster or inferno machine?....
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