Jul 10 2012, 11:41 PM, updated 14y ago
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The intro:
As all of you know, alot of people have begun crafting stuff for other people when they in some way or another get their hands on a rare craftable recipes. The items used are most obviously helm of command & Seven sins, but other stuff as well eg. the grand exalted armors/weapons. After patch 1.0.legendary buff, they will most certainly also start crafting the legendary weapons for you as well.
The method:
If you have not already realised by now. With all the the forum posts that has people selling quite hilarious amounts of these have started popping up. The scam goes as follows:
1) Crafter buy/finds the desired recipe or gets it from a friend
2) He (and possibly friends) pool their money and craft an arbitrary number here called X, where they don't have to care about stats.
,3) The crafter puts up a forum post where he for a very small fee (often 30-40k so it doesn't sound weird...) will craft it "especially" for you because he is such a nice guy. *gasp*!
4) Crafter crafts 1 or more items for people, always handing out from the worst of the total pool that he has previously crafted to the person paying, so he won't get "bad rep" for withholding an item.
5) Repeat 4 untill you have made X items with decent enough stats for Forum mass sale, good stats for GAH or godly stats for RMAH.
6) Sell all the items for new starting gold + real gold
7) Enourmous profit
8) Goto 1, but since you had profit in 7, x can be higher in the succeeding round.
The arguments:
So how is this a "scam" you might ask, and your further response might be "because all i see is a smart guy making a profit", and yes to a degree you are correct. Except you did not get what you payed for, you did not get a fresh roll for your mats + your fee on the desired item. You got a badly rolled item (or atleast so bad that the crafter deems it not worth his time to sell it), and he gets a new roll + profit for his time! "But the fee is low, so you can't complain", oh yes i can because the deal was inherently broken. The deal was not "For fee + your mats, you get worst crafted item in my inventory", how many of you would do this deal?
Heck, me and my friends even thought about buying a recipe for the group, and do it because it is VERY easy to do once you got starting gold for it.
The solution:
Permanently:
So how to solve this so people won't be able to do this scam easily. Easy, make it so that whenever an item is crafted it is linked in the chat window to the players in the game you are currently in as "[playername] crafted [itemlink]" and the trader wont be able to hand you off his badly rolled items, since you can keep track of what your mats was actually used for.
The other solution and more secure solution is to make a specific trading window for crafting, where the buyer inputs the right mats + gold (minimum gold would need to be the amount needed for crafting with no upper limit) in the trading window, the crafter then selects which item and once both pushes accept the buyer gets the item rolled directly to his own inventory. (Think enchanting from WoW, but even more elaborate)
tempoary:
Untill blizzard fixes this blatant stupidity, the only solution would be to have the crafter be on a livestream so that you can monitor his crafting process.
Please do realise that the permanent solutions, most likely will make the crafting fee's rise to level's that are not "i am Mr. nice guy and i will scam you hard"-levels. Also this will most likely heighten the amount of "resource" scammers that just steal your mats outright, but then we can atleast give them bad rep and noone will trade them mats. As the problem with the current situation is that the scammers get good rep for perhaps handing out a decent/good item for every 100 sellable items he rolls.
The TL;DR:
Currently blacksmith crafting is a major albeit legal scam, where you for your mats and gold get a previously crafted items to allow the crafter to try for better rolls, which he will eventually sell for very high prices on forum, GAH or RMAH. Blizzard could easily solve it by adding all crafted items figure in the chatwindow, or do a specialized crafting trade window where only gold is transfered.
Regards
Gogromar
If you think this is a good idea and would be a worthy update to the game at some point or another, please uprate.
As all of you know, alot of people have begun crafting stuff for other people when they in some way or another get their hands on a rare craftable recipes. The items used are most obviously helm of command & Seven sins, but other stuff as well eg. the grand exalted armors/weapons. After patch 1.0.legendary buff, they will most certainly also start crafting the legendary weapons for you as well.
The method:
If you have not already realised by now. With all the the forum posts that has people selling quite hilarious amounts of these have started popping up. The scam goes as follows:
1) Crafter buy/finds the desired recipe or gets it from a friend
2) He (and possibly friends) pool their money and craft an arbitrary number here called X, where they don't have to care about stats.
,3) The crafter puts up a forum post where he for a very small fee (often 30-40k so it doesn't sound weird...) will craft it "especially" for you because he is such a nice guy. *gasp*!
4) Crafter crafts 1 or more items for people, always handing out from the worst of the total pool that he has previously crafted to the person paying, so he won't get "bad rep" for withholding an item.
5) Repeat 4 untill you have made X items with decent enough stats for Forum mass sale, good stats for GAH or godly stats for RMAH.
6) Sell all the items for new starting gold + real gold
7) Enourmous profit
8) Goto 1, but since you had profit in 7, x can be higher in the succeeding round.
The arguments:
So how is this a "scam" you might ask, and your further response might be "because all i see is a smart guy making a profit", and yes to a degree you are correct. Except you did not get what you payed for, you did not get a fresh roll for your mats + your fee on the desired item. You got a badly rolled item (or atleast so bad that the crafter deems it not worth his time to sell it), and he gets a new roll + profit for his time! "But the fee is low, so you can't complain", oh yes i can because the deal was inherently broken. The deal was not "For fee + your mats, you get worst crafted item in my inventory", how many of you would do this deal?
Heck, me and my friends even thought about buying a recipe for the group, and do it because it is VERY easy to do once you got starting gold for it.
The solution:
Permanently:
So how to solve this so people won't be able to do this scam easily. Easy, make it so that whenever an item is crafted it is linked in the chat window to the players in the game you are currently in as "[playername] crafted [itemlink]" and the trader wont be able to hand you off his badly rolled items, since you can keep track of what your mats was actually used for.
The other solution and more secure solution is to make a specific trading window for crafting, where the buyer inputs the right mats + gold (minimum gold would need to be the amount needed for crafting with no upper limit) in the trading window, the crafter then selects which item and once both pushes accept the buyer gets the item rolled directly to his own inventory. (Think enchanting from WoW, but even more elaborate)
tempoary:
Untill blizzard fixes this blatant stupidity, the only solution would be to have the crafter be on a livestream so that you can monitor his crafting process.
Please do realise that the permanent solutions, most likely will make the crafting fee's rise to level's that are not "i am Mr. nice guy and i will scam you hard"-levels. Also this will most likely heighten the amount of "resource" scammers that just steal your mats outright, but then we can atleast give them bad rep and noone will trade them mats. As the problem with the current situation is that the scammers get good rep for perhaps handing out a decent/good item for every 100 sellable items he rolls.
The TL;DR:
Currently blacksmith crafting is a major albeit legal scam, where you for your mats and gold get a previously crafted items to allow the crafter to try for better rolls, which he will eventually sell for very high prices on forum, GAH or RMAH. Blizzard could easily solve it by adding all crafted items figure in the chatwindow, or do a specialized crafting trade window where only gold is transfered.
Regards
Gogromar
If you think this is a good idea and would be a worthy update to the game at some point or another, please uprate.
original source:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4736433878
A while back i also faced a similar situation. i handed the black smith the mats to craft, then i notice they had to free their bag space by dropping their excess gear on the floor. and guess what, the items they drop were all the il62 pants that is what i asked them to craft for me. It's not a stretch then to believe their whole bag space may be full of these same crafting pants.
So the question is, how do you know the crafter isn't just dropping shit items from his previously crafted items ?
When you gave the person the mats to craft, you wanted a unidentified item. but black smithing doesn't work this way. instead everything is auto identified as soon as it's crafted. So the only thing you got is the sellers word.
So when the sellers craft service is cheap, be wary, becauz it's most likely a scam, especially if they don't bother to live stream themselves doing the process when crafting your gear on the spot.
In summary, this scam lulls people into sponsoring the scammers crafting with 0 costs for him, until he finds a good craft item, which he quietly keeps for himself, and gives you the junk. and you the unknowing victim, did not know your mats he crafted just created a 10million gold item ... which this guy later sells on the auction house and profits from the mats you had provided. thats how the scam works
This is why my own crafting service has a LIVE STREAM !!! to give buyers 100% confidence they aren't getting conned. This also helps me get repeat customers as i will have the street cred for the go to guy to make things for them by being 100% transparent all times.
If interested, you can view my crafting service here
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2417884
And remember, whenever asking someone to craft, ALWAYS remember to tell them to first turn on their live stream before you hand them the mats ....
PS: just giving people mats and gold, they can just leave game and run off with your loot. there is still that risk fyi
This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 10 2012, 11:55 PM
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