i am not into ice...


just recently my x-trail speakers gave up one by one


yesterday i paid a visit to the acc shop and got some things done as what recommended. i did not want something exp as i am not into ice and most of the time listen to radio/fm only

the part which is making me wonder is... the shop rec. me to put from n back components... and i did it since the x-trail had 4 speakers and i wanted to change all since faulty


front n back were installed with JBL CS-6C Speakers (6 1/2 2 way component ) rm300 each set, so total rm600.. apart from this had to pay rm38x2 for some spacers.... looks expensive

thats all i did despite some asking to add the amp n change the player.

so now the car is fitted with a component set in front and back + tweeter in front n back too

and i have just realised in this forum a component is only for the front. i kept asking the installer if ppl installed components for the back and he said it very common.


is this set up ok for normal usage? first i did not like the sound but after some playing with the player setting, managed to get something acceptable.

is the component speakers ok?

now thinking of changing the player.. will they be any improvement? my old player is 8 years old clarion DX-Z53s. cd is jammed n not working. only use the radio.

What player to get? they reco me the kenwood KDC-U453(USB, MP3,) RM360

Is this model ok and will there be any improvement? Or shall i go for a better set?

Is an amp necessary ? will it improve this set? was reco an adam digital 1200 4 channel amp@ rm520.

Kindly advise.

It sounds like you got some ICE poison, despite your first sentence.

Its not common for ICERs to put any speakers at the back, let alone comps. Should use the rm600 to get better speakers in front. But since its ordy in then just leave it.

You can change HU to get Mp3 if you want. The Kenwood might actually be a downgrade from your Clarion, sound wise. Go look for a Pioneer or Clarion, at that budget range.

I think you can decide on the amp later later after the HU change. See whether you need it or not. In any case, i dun suggest the adams unless you need power on a tight budget.

yup

the poison is a bit there.

i have the budget but dont wish to spend unless necessary since i am also looking for another ride.

Thanks for the advise. I will look for a pioneer perhaps. Any reco models? what about alpine?

Dont know why the shop reco a kenwood... perhaps to cut my throat.....

Its never necessary. No radio also still can drive.
For rm500 or less better stick with Pioneer. Any pioneer that fits your budget. Alpine is above 500 is ok but they all lack tuning options like EQ.
Shops like Kenwood cause for that price you get all the tuning options and fancy display but you trade off the sound quality.
Its not terrible, just get what is important to you. At least you're not looking at china HUs.

Once bitten with ICE ...never twice shy...even you always listen to the radio...not everycar sounds the same.

thanks

i will look for a pioneer.
any good shops in penang? or pj?

i dont mind pushing budget higher for a better player if the sound is better without amp

or shall i add an amp together.... lets see.

pj can look for either kf audio/audio creations.

however if you dont mind going further to bukit jalil, can find howiechoo (EA autoworks) who's very active on LYN too

i will see if if have time to look around pj or bukit jalil. will be only there this weekend else will look in penang.

Recommending you Kenwood doesn't mean the shop is waiting to chop you. Shops do tend to push for brand that they are carrying most of time, unless they are carrying numerous different brand at the same time.

Since you keep on insisting that you are not into ICE, I'm guessing you tell the shop the same thing too, selling you Kenwood would be the most appropriate way. Since it has so many functions and cheap on the per price per function ratio.

But I will wonder why is he selling you comp set at the back, you car rear door original comes with tweeter holder/area ah?

thats the issue... maybe wan to chop me into getting the comp behind. nope. the tweeter was fitted by making a hole the door panel.

btw i am not into ice so is component at the back really weird?


first i went to the shop with the intention of checking why 3 out of my 4 speakers (ori) failed. they said its the lifespan and i asked them about the components for the front. there was some cheaper brand he reco, some banana or something....but i was asking for something else/

then he mention this jbl under promo rm300

so i was ok with it... got it installed. then the sound was like from front n back (1 speaker-ori)
should have asked him to remove the back speaker but as i am a stupid icer, i ask him what about the back?
he ask to fix the same set... and i stupidly agreed. haiizz

i kept asking him if ppl installed component behind? he said is common... *&^%...

lucky i did not go with their recommended amp n player.

anything wrong with this setup?

This post has been edited by xtjs: Jul 4 2012, 02:57 PM

Errr.... chop or not, I can't really comment lar... I wasn't there at the time of the incident to see your face expression and the selller punya face expression.

Anyway, knowing that you are not free and getting you to survey around would be impossible.

So coincidence that you are free this weekend, why not : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2399500
It will definitely save your time surveying in shops (Which you mainly go also to check price).

All fellow icers are consumer like you. I'm guessing what they share will make more sense to you.

Do take note that one of the shop owner will be there, and there is also one car that you should not jump into.

whos car?

howie's car?

he dun let me sit inside also

i very interested on krayden car

well, i would love to join the tt but but ..... sure get poisoned..
how far is his shop from pj?

i am also not sure where to stay yet... supposingly should be pj as i will be attending a seminar at uem centre.

Ah taikor, I also need to talk to you about wood.

what wood?

Morning wood

You really know how to crack jokes.

If you guys line up your cars during TT, Howie's car should be the last car... Hiding inside the bushes. What do you want to see in a stock setup car?

agree .

and for the price quoted, its a very reasonable price

with this new set

i noticed more interference when using the radio

can can, no problem

But you didn't change HU, how come got inteference??

I tot got some keng liu estima to audit?

i also dunno

i told u

i a stupid in ice... maybe reception of radio ..voice like breaking

.cd player not working so cant check

If you did not change the HU, then your radio reception should not be affected. Unless the installer accidentally hit the wire at the back.

Would suggest you to go back and check, but probably you really hate your installer already.

Anyway, the rear just put coaxial can already, so no need drill hole.

But some shops punya attitude is like this, always brag about their price only... But when it comes to installation, macam shiat. HPF and LPF also can terbalik.

today went back to the shop

they insist my 8 yr old clarion player

they mention the new player has more power n the breaking sound can be avoided... is this true?

some radio channel are ok... some r breaking....

i cant test cd since its not working.

new players have a lot of diff?

saw few models


cde1213 alpine rm499 same shop
pn2450 ub pioneer rm425


100eub alpine rm440 to rm30 install - diff shop

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Added on July 5, 2012, 2:33 pmregarding the interference, the said the old ori speakers were normal ones while the new got more bass which causes interference... dunno true or not

however he said if change player can solve



This post has been edited by xtjs: Jul 5 2012, 02:33 PM

bro...

so far when I play ice...normally just install the component set at the front...

BUT...it is also common for some to install both front and back...

so to be fair to the shop.... there are people who install both at front and back also... nothing wrong to install component set at the back...

but from the 1st day i play ICE many many years ago until now, i always use front only la... rear no speaker at all... except subwoofer at the back...

New speaker cost interference ah? Die lar like that, next time if someone want to change or do minor upgrade to their ICE.... They better be prepared with shiat load of money, just to change everything.

Loads of crap~

Before this, was everything fine with your radio sound? Or you can't tell the difference because your speakers all kong already?

i gipe up

maybe its not interference ...could be hissing from tweeter

never use tweeter before


but some radio channel super clear... so...

shall i go for the pioneer set or alpine as posted above? or keep standard

Keep standard? I thought you said the CD part already cannot use?

Aiya, plenty of advice available... from cheap to expensive. Join the TT, all FOC... Sure you definitely have the idea what to get. Only 2 days ma...

Better than you now heart big heart small, couldn't decide what you want...

Now so many brand also headache right? Pioneer or Kenwood or Alpine or Clarion or McIntosh etc.

if they insist on that why not ask them to get a clarion player to try plugging it onto your car, to see whether it solved the prob, remember to tell them, if problem isn't solve, you are not going to buy the hu

100 ueb , a little overprice

TS, not common to install component at back, but I did it, but adjust ur head unit so tat louder sound comes from your front speakers. And have you consider using eclipse player?

might get the pioneer 2450ub HU priced at rm420

ok or not?

saw the 5xxx model pioneer but price rm650 ... abit too high i guess.

If the HU offer you the features that you need, and the price is within your budget.

But I will wonder if you are going back to the same shop...?

nope

prefer try others

btw i managed to get the cd player spinning for a while, tested the sound n seems ok ..no hissing or breaking... only certain radio channels only having this prob.

just need a new player now

I hope that price includes installation.

bro, does it mean for below Rm500 budget pioneer HU have the best in terms of SQ?

Below rm500 i would guess that Pioneer and Alpine is about the same in terms of SQ, BUT Pioneer has more tuning options like EQ. I feel that Clarion might be ok also, but have yet to test. I'm not sure if Eclipse is still available in the market.
Kenwood is ok for the price but isnt as good SQ wise. Dun even touch Sony or china HUs unless your budget is really tight.

Your answer is Yes IMO.

no more eclipse, kenwood bought them over, if i heard correctly...

really thanks for the info bro.
any specific model to recommend that is value for money...im looking for iphone connectivity & usb mp3 function...

no, just go with whichever got iphone/usb then whatever suits your budget. PLease be informed that a used Pioneer p8rsii rm1k will blow these sub rm500 HUs out of the water, so something ese to think about if you can stretch your budget.

which brand should i go for if at similiar price/functions? let's say Rm500 with a usb/iphone function

the sound quality from iphone or MP3 good meh?

can look up on alpine/pioneer models. *may* need to top up a bit for iphone if im not mistaken

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Added on July 17, 2012, 3:06 pmwhy not?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 17 2012, 03:06 PM

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Step 1: make sure got ipon/usb support. check whether HU got ipon control or you have to manually molest ipon while driving. make sure got free ipon cable. select appropriately.
Step 2: choose any model that you feel you want to spend at the time. EQ useful (more band better), Crossover not useful, Time Allignment (if no amp) not useful.
Step 3: make sure price is with installation or else check automotive garage for cheaper price. HU installation cost is rm20
in 1980, now is rm80?
Step 4: make sure you feel it looks pretty
Step 5: nego with taukeh some more and make him promise to tune to champion car level.
Step 6: get your friend to call you, then say loud loud "walau rmxxx only ah? where ah this shop? pioneer xxx model woh? got installation or not? okok i go now" then slowly walk out.
Step 7: agree on final price
Step 8: DO NOT buy anything else without consulting the sifus here. otherwise you cry later also no use.
Step 9: DO NOT go home. Stay there and watch everthing they do. When they finish, test ipon, usb, CD, radio, off-on-off, set clock, make sure display no dead pixel, take home everything including box and foam.
Step 10: post a new thread on what to buy next.

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Added on July 17, 2012, 3:10 pmuh oh.....

This post has been edited by krayden: Jul 17 2012, 03:10 PM

^

your complete guide to car audio (aka ICE)

=edit=
i will shoot down every single purist i see

of course, if they keep it to themselves, i will do the same

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 17 2012, 03:14 PM

Hahahhaa. nice bro...very funny..

I am also the kinda purist you speak off.
I will give you equal SQ on FLAC or any other lossless. Actually wont know till someone decides to bring in a FLAC player. Until then I will accord lossless media equal status.
Mp3....... Got diff, whether you encode like you're a sound enggr or a garage enthusiast, got diff.
Not so much on every system, most ppl may not hear it. But I heard it on my old system. So it makes a diff to me. Your choice of media is exactly that, your choice. You can listen to 64kbps for all I care.

Thats why I never particapated in your ongoing verbal battle with Mr. Night-and-day.

itu tau la, but as i said, if you dont kacau people or me, i could really care less

yeah, really cant tell for sure until someone actually have a FLAC HU, or balls enough to do DBT/ABX testings

to me it was really that simple, whatever choice people have, it's their choice, what for i want to care about it as music is such a personal and subjective matter aye? it just hit my buttons when people are going "OMG MUST CD" regardless if the person they are harping at voiced out their own choice or now

*keeps quiet*

lol

may I add that I do listen to MP3s too at times since it at least offers better quality than Radio. I'm not forcing ppl to buy CDs, merely stating that CDs are better than MP3s and if you can afford, should try out some CDs if you haven't.

~END~

This post has been edited by Nightstalker1993: Jul 18 2012, 07:38 PM

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that's not keeping quiet

Thats why i say may I add

My xtrail also same as TS, 4 speaker only 1 work other 3 no sounds.
Can recommend me front component speaker and HU?
HU I'm looking for Pioneer 5450 Mixtrax unit..

i miss my original speakers

it works well with radio

the current component set, only certain radio channels r clear... i am not sure why....
some channels like got hissing breaking sound.

cd and usb no problem

Ya,original speakers are good.
But now I still dunno want to change what brand component..

usually this problem is because ur new component set are able to produce higher frequency range than your oem speaker which muffled every details from the weak radio signal. suggest u check your antenna and radio reception....i believe you will find that your new speaker sound more cleaner/detail or even sharper than your oem speakers.

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Added on August 1, 2012, 10:14 pmi do agree ori is good, but after market is excellent If you change to a proper 1

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Aug 1 2012, 10:14 PM

hehe same here. after changing to component can hear every detail of the song. need some getting used to when listening to radio...as it produce 'more refined' hissing noise when the reception is bad

any one have experience with HU alpine w520E...quality sound or else...pls advice... im looking to change HU....any 1 can advice me