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post Jul 3 2012, 11:30 AM

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I doubt it is the area just in front of Jusco. Piling work is starting way too early even when this project hasn't warm up yet. Besides that spot is too busy to have the nature theme they are selling (next to highway, toll, busy jusco..etc)

"3 blocks of high-rise condominiums with a total of 540 units"

Nothing indicated that it is a service apt with commercial title. Besides, nothing indicated that it would have any shops or commercial center at lower floors. Looking at the theme, it is more for residential.

Batu 9 covers a large area, and some ample land with greens still.
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post Jul 5 2012, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Jul 5 2012, 05:59 PM)
Boss, RM 650k onward for 1000ft2 onward.  rclxub.gif
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Huh? i thought the minimum size is 1,648 sqft? heard 850k is the minimum some the burung burung ...but it could be a bit steep for that area.
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post Jul 5 2012, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(ecin @ Jul 5 2012, 06:45 PM)
Are you serious the price? Batu 9 o
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If SDB shoots themselves on the foot with this price for this development on this area....then all i can say is ..."next".

It is like 1++ mil for 16xx sqft.

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post Jul 6 2012, 01:47 PM

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even at 850k for the 16xxsqft unit, i am about to shout "next"..
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post Jul 18 2012, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Jul 18 2012, 09:13 AM)
my godness, i had registered by yet received any notification from them regarding this. rm400psft is really a good deal for SDB project
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2 weeks back, some burung's friend of burung's friend of burung's friend said 22 July. Not sure how this date would work out as this is a sunday, but maybe the burung means weekend. Nevertheless, at least some notification would have been sent.

Maybe internal launch first so internal ppl would gobble up....like Rimba Residency.



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post Jul 18 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Jul 18 2012, 09:20 AM)
live nearby, i will go there look see look see
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Peri, they've setup a site sales office near that location?
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post Jul 22 2012, 04:03 PM

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Metal grills instead of glass at balcony, tandem parking, launched block with park visibility blocked by the upcoming final tower launch, smaller unit tower facing another apt, lots of sqft placed on the balcony, and the price at this location selling 900k before discount for the 16xx sqft ....not sure what sdb had in their mind.
sdb might deliver this with good impression like 5 stones...but something tells me that they could have done better on what is offered for this project. Just my point of view.
The pricing is too ambitious for the location.
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post Jul 23 2012, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Jul 23 2012, 11:10 AM)
Agree, very ambitious price. sounds like 2016 or 2017 price tag after MRT done


Added on July 23, 2012, 11:11 am
i heard got smaller unit, 916ft2, will ask the sdb admin in fb
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Peri,

916sqft is about 53xk before discount. That is block/tower "C" which is furthest away from the park. One side is facing another apartment, the other side is facing the facility. At about 585 per sqft, there are many other cheaper options out there too other than this project. If you still like this project, one of the better option is to get these smaller unit facing the facility/pool. Obviously, you won't have any "park" view.

This project is mostly for own-stay, and having identify crisis to gear for investments because of steep pricing, yet it offering DIBs.

The final block/tower yet to be launched, but having a good full view of the "park". Naturally, that will also come with godzilla pricing.

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post Jul 23 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Vestor @ Jul 23 2012, 11:25 AM)
Is it open for booking already?
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Yes, i m sure they welcome booking. Even two mortgage bankers are sitting around the corner waiting for someone with ultraman sized wallet.

For those who are looking for the sales office, there are signage nearby the roads. The kinda exact coordinates is 3.041654,101.754136 which you just stick into your GPS or google map.



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post Jul 23 2012, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Jul 23 2012, 11:46 AM)
As expected. With this price tag definitely comes with DIBS. More like attracting investor for future price tag.

An example, Connaught Avenue by Akisama. A so called "condo" with 950ft2 layout leasehold starting price less than rm200k in year 2009. Now completed is asking rm 370k.

for this condo, 916k, freehold with rm 530k+ before discount and dibs. looks good for investor.

Says, if this condo comes with fully furnished, some rebate of 5% and dibs. definitely is a BBB .

Low entry, estimated every month only rm 100 to max rm 500 only as the developer had bear most of the interest during the 3 year construction period. So, says free legal + MOT. The capital u need to prepare is the rm 25k 5% down payment (if got 5% rebate now) + rm5k loan legal, + rm 12k to serve the principle during 3 years DIBS + rm 3k for disbursement.

WOW, less rm50k to own a investment prop for another 3 years now. No wonder M residence is selling like hot cake.

A DIBS project is good to vest but with decent rebate now, super great deal.
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Yes, it is DIBS, but for the 917sqft, it is selling at 545 per sqft after discount which is still on the high side. You might have an attractive entry cost, but you need a good exit strategy once this unit is done. Else you'll end up leaving this vacant for many months and paying 25 cents per sqft of maintenance fee. May i ask who would be your target tenant or sub sale group type? In that area, you have much limited options. An asking price doesn't mean you could have it sold immediately after many moons, eating up net profit with mortgage and maintenance fee commitment.

There isn't a showroom for a 9xx sqft unit, only the 16xx and 24xx sqft unit. The 9xx sqft unit doesn't come with a balcony too (cos it is so small already). However, it will have the same level of fitting as the other bigger units. Bear in mind that this development isn't giving you fully furnished.

Best to be on site and view it.

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post Jul 23 2012, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(Neoh1979 @ Jul 23 2012, 07:46 PM)
The 916 sq ft actually comes with balcony.
If u ask me, this is one of a kind development.
Of coz comes with premium price.
Low density with 500 something units about 9
acres landscaping. This is a high risk n
high return project. Not anyone can take.
If I got bullet, will consider...may pull it off
like dpc...smile.gif
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Oh yes, saw wrongly. There is a small balcony at 916sqft unit.

as for high return, i m not too sure about the statement. This is geared towards own stay.


Added on July 23, 2012, 10:34 pm
QUOTE(yankicip @ Jul 23 2012, 10:04 PM)
I saw one uncle blooked. A small size.

he run a small factory inside tanming jaya.

He is buying for retirement and downgrade from dsl to condo  as sons already moved out.

I think he is  the super rich type.
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You'll see more of these purchased from the seniors as the dsl stairs isn't kind for the knees. Ara Green at Ara Damansara is aiming at these purchasers. Similiar jaw dropping feel on the price but still seeing seniors buying, some with cash obviously due to unable to pick up mortgage loan at this age.


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post Jul 24 2012, 12:00 AM

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If you ask me, Damansara Foresta seems like a better deal with bigger green land of 13acre..but that's North and cheaper per sqft. Also with big green landscaping with developed surrounding amenities. Another alternative perhaps.

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post Jul 24 2012, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(ecin @ Jul 24 2012, 10:08 AM)
hill slope don't play play ..

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Not slope enough to play, then Genting will do.

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For information gathered up to now, it'll be bare unit, right?
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Not exactly bare. Comes with wet and dry kitchen cabinets, sinks, cooker hood and hob (gas type *hint* cabinets underneat don't even have a place for gas tank), fridge, shower screen only on master room bathroom, master room wardrobe, master bathroom water heater, master bathroom cabinets......and....thats it. i think.

Kinda felt the developer should be giving more with such pricing (Eg air cond, proper shower rose, water heater on all bathrooms, show screen on all bathrooms, induction type cooker, ..etc).

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post Jul 24 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Jul 24 2012, 02:23 PM)
Where is the showroom actually? At the site or SDB office in Jalan Ampang?
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On the project site. Stick this coordinate into google map.

3.03979,101.754491


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post Jul 24 2012, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(ecin @ Jul 24 2012, 03:52 PM)
no point to argue this, induction cooker also have very cheap one. Nowadays, it's still a preference

oreo, what do you mean by "(gas type *hint* cabinets underneat don't even have a place for gas tank)"?

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check this:
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They provided a gas cooker hob, with no place to put your gas tank. Unless you take out the shelves at the cabinet under the cooker hob.

With that kind of pricing, still use a gas cooker hob......*sigh*

Anyway, good for retired "Tai Chow" uncles working out hokkien mee for the neighbours.

Ecin, you interested? good, i can rent a room from you next time so i can make friends with tai chow uncles on the block for free meals. Too expensive to buy, so i rent your room or sofa.

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post Jul 24 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(ecin @ Jul 24 2012, 04:57 PM)
TQ for infor.

LOL .. said like that, (not sure about your gender) free for you loo if you're leng luiĀ  blush.gif
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post Jul 24 2012, 08:36 PM

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Yeah. I've received it too today. They've underestimated our pos services. But some received it earlier. Hope they do not underestimate development timeline.
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(poorchinaman @ Jul 25 2012, 12:11 AM)
the smallest unit comes with built up area of 916 sq ft from RM 530k up before discount... after discount, psf price is about RM 520 up, this is the most expensive condo in Cheras... but taking into consideration of SDB brand who is a premier & branded developer, the price looks ok...

based on the absolute price after discount (forget about the built up), ie. RM 477k, still the cheapest compared with those landed 2 storey linked house nearby (BTHO, Alam Damai, Damai Perdana, CP, etc)... Hence people will still buy it for own stay as it comes with full condo facilities, extremely tight security system, serene & tranquil environment with 'fantabulous' landscape planning... Guess this project will attract the professional/ medium income group of Gen-Y buyers who always want 'lifestyle', ada gaya, mutu dan keunggulan... As to qualify for a 90% loan (based on 40 yrs tenure), your monthly gross income must be at least RM 6.5k (provided u don't have much commitment)... so u make the call on your quality of your neighborhood...

RM 8k, whoever also afford to fork out, but question is, can u get the loan or not? After BN implementation of responsible lending guidelines, FIs will underwrite your loan based on nett income, u do the maths...


Added on July 25, 2012, 12:25 amFor the bigger unit, ie. 16xx sq ft up, the absolute price is about RM 830k onwards, u need a minimum monthly gross income of RM 10k to qualify for 90% financing... u can expect the potential buyers group for the larger unit... with the prudent lending practise by FIs, sorry to say that u need to have a very good credit background to be part of the buyers for bigger units, hence my opinion is, unlikely there will be bulk number of loan foreclosure after 3 years...

SDB has set a new benchmark in Cheras for condominium prices... if u're confident enough with your repayment capability after 3 years and u've planned wise financially, this is an ok project to invest, especially the smallest unit, ie. 916 sq ft...

Once completed, don't be greedy, but if u can sell/ let go at RM 580k (compared with current pp of RM 530k and nett pp at RM 477k after discount), u'll still make a handsome return of at least RM 80k after minus off all the incidental cost(RPGT, REA commission, legal fee to redeem loan, etc)... RM 0 for RM 80k... u do the maths... smile.gif
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Hope you don't mind me playing the devil's advocate.

If an investor trying balance their not to hit 70%ltv, perhaps they would choose carefully a different investment that would be more fruitful and lesser risk of subsale problems for their available investment slot and bullet. The target subsale group of people at this area seems untested and undefined yet. I don't know how many of such smaller units are in block C, but it would seem that competition internally within project and externally with other upcoming projects nearby would be fierce.

In reality today, take up rate for subsale around 9xx sqft units in klang valley isn't that great with supply still aplenty. In coming years, there will be an influx of the 9xx sqft or smaller floating for subsale due to a surge of developers trying to do SOHO, SOVO, SxxO to stick in commercial title to avoid 70%ltv limit for investors.

I am not saying that you can't sell it at 580k, but it might take longer and really targeting a very small group of potential subsale buyers at this area. Let alone bank being very picky to even qualify them for loan as well. Lets put on the table for discussion:

1) Retired/going-to-retire rich elderly - they have to buy in cash, bank won't loan to them. Or their rich offspring might buy for them.
2) Middle age - wouldn't they prefer a bigger unit to contain the bigger growing family? perhaps landed?
3) Younger workforce - they'll have to get pass the bank first for loan. Loan capacity would be a problem. Also wouldn't they prefer a more happening area than this?
4) High income expat foreigners - If you drive around that area, try to spot one. There is a proposal on cabinet to raise minimum purchase property value for foreign from 500k to 1mil. If this happens in the coming years, 916 sqft will not fit. Bigger units might, but still there isn't any attraction for expat in this area.
5) Rich dads buying units for their sons/daughters - They might be your potential subsale buyer, but the younger ones might have to accept this location first. You don't get many.

Yes, DIBS and the 10% discount is quite attractive for entry, but exit strategy must be clear too. Just looking at things from different point of view for healthy discussion. smile.gif


Added on July 25, 2012, 10:30 am
QUOTE(yankicip @ Jul 25 2012, 09:50 AM)
Booked one. small unit for my daughter.
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Speak of da devil ..heh.

Good for you.



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post Jul 25 2012, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Jul 25 2012, 10:42 AM)
can share currently rebate offers for non bumi is how much? 2% or 10%?
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Peri, its 10%
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post Jul 26 2012, 04:35 PM

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HMm, might be worth dropping by this weekend to 6c6c. Who has the sales addr and showroom of this iresidence?

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