as title ^^

beginner in photography? maybe you want to consider trying prosumer camera first? If you have been into photography sometime and wanted to jump into DSLR, you may consider mid range entry camera such as Canon 550D, 600D or the new 650D. If you are the just started photography and insist to go for DSLR, maybe Canon 1100D?

In terms of Nikon, it will be 3100 or 3200 for low entry, 5100 for mid entry. If just want to learn photography, can consider mirrorless or Micro four third instead

sorry not really good in eng.
what is mirrorless or Micro four third ?
um........550D is discontinue already right?

mirrorless and micro four third camera is similar, they are those small camera which can change lens. the difference is only the sensor size, mirrorless use DSLR sized sensor while micro four third use smaller sensor.

Check out camera such as Sony NEX series, Panasonic GF series, Plympus PEN series. They fall within this range.
550D if you want you still can get it. But it is all up to you as you can get a newer 600D as well. 650D has touch screen and better Auto Focus.

for Alpha series you can get SLT-A37 or SLT-A57 also... both is quite a good camera to use...

but as others say go for others mirrorless if you wan also can...
sony just launched a NEX-F3 also quite nice...

if not try those power Zoom series for Canon, Nikon and Sony... those are not bad too but they are not as good as mirrorless camera... but you no need to think about lens...

if you wanna put your hands onto DSLR u need to think again, coz it might not give you what you wanted at certain area...

okok,thanks for the suggestion ^^

all dlsr are suitable for beginners.
just depends how much money u got.
i've seen beginners buy nikon D3s before...

i think Kirill0201 is probably looking for DSLR that got a lot of informative guide that tells you wat each and every function does, which is targeting entry/beginner level. Those mid range and above is getting less about intuitive and rather just performance.

actually im a beginner.. wat do u think klu i nk trus pkai nikon d5100..

as stated by Everdying, it doesn't matter which camera you start with. if you willing to learn, even if the camera didn't have intuitive guide, you will still be able to master it. There's many books and forum out there to help you, and most importantly is you learn from shooting a lot of pics.

So choose the camera within your budget, and the one you are comfortable with then it is ok.

my first DSLR is Nikon D90..never regret buying it instead of D3100 or D5100..i learn how to use kelvin WB, and i have a better choice of lenses...
if u have budget,go for D7000 or canon 50D/60D

Sony Alpha series is good..

For me, i've bought alpha35 last year as my first camera (during december).. the performance is good and it's easy to pick up and master all the controls around the camera ^^

my own opinion lar, if u take d5100, if u plan to buy the 50mm prime lens f1.8d, which is the most beginner would try on, u have to use it as manual focus only.
as d5100 does not have body AF build in have to rely on lens to AF, things different in d7000, u can see the different in the mount

D5100


D7000


you would notice the small 'fella' on the bottom, which drive manual focus lens, open up more possibility to Nikkor lens,
thing is different in canon.

I suggest D90

also the most important question, which dslr suit ur pocket?

How about D3100 ? Does it have focus motor ?

None either.

Cheapest body that I could find (for Nikon) with motor is D90. Or at least one that I know of that's cheap other than D7000.

As for TS, I suggest D90 or D7000 if you think you will go far with photography (like investing more lenses and stuff).

If not : D3100, 3200, 5100. Canon 600D 650D, 1100D.

the cheapest nikon dlsr with built-in motor is a D50.
of cos its long discontinued, but look around can find used ones.

i think D7000 or Canon 60D also suitable for beginner. I using 60D now, more than enough for me

D90 for nikon... you get the most of the current toys... with price of a beginner camera...

and if you really is serious about it and thinking of buying lens... what is there to stop you? because all AF-S/AF-D/AF/Ai-S lens works well... not to mention the speed light options, all speed lights works with all the available modes...

D90 if you are tight on budget, D7000 if you got extra to spend, D800 if you got extra extra to spend...

and as for canons and all other brands, i have absof***inglutely no idea how their model works...

i guess is not wrong to go for a body with build in motor eg D90 and D7000, if u plan to go for a lens such as 50mm prime lens which everyone likes it, better get canon, as any body can power the 50mm AF due to lens build in AF..

this is what the salesman will normally tell you, as if u get nikon d3000-series or d5000-series, they will only recommend you a G lens, which is quite not fair in the 50mm case...or you may take the 50mm D lens and do it MF...D7000 never goes wrong if in nikon side

just buy canon 450D, 2nd but low sc and look's new...
huhuhu, for now it's enough 4 me

yo Kirill0201,

Got ur gears d? or still hunting?

Do share with us your fantastic experience yeah on ur new gear

D90 now very affordable. Last time my d5000 same price with D90 now. =(

i suggest Nikon D4

Bought my Canon 600D earlier this year. Have i ever regretted? Not a single day

me last week...and enjoying it...

srenz: it's a good camera, though 650D just came out recently

i noe...this one was in budget and second hand onli...
plus get warranty until 2014,,,

This post has been edited by srenz: Jul 13 2012, 02:50 AM

Good photo and statement... I bet some ppl don know why dslr and how to really fully utilize it....


This post has been edited by michael9413: Jul 13 2012, 09:12 AM

Not only which dslr fit for you but you must also ensure the dslr give you the best firm grip on the body as our hand are off different size..you may not find it comfortable to hold the dslr what more to shoot a decent photo as you just cant get a firm grip on the body.

wao so many reseach need to do it.
now still saving money to buy 1.
can give more information?^^

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Added on July 15, 2012, 7:05 pmD3200 is that good also?
need info ^^

This post has been edited by Kirill0201: Jul 15 2012, 07:05 PM

canon=600D
nikon=d90

you can also try this out,discontinued semi-class dslr

canon=40D,50D.howver they still produce 60D.quite good.
nikon=d70,d80.

canon provides good quality video in entry-level model.
sony dslr have better specs in video recording.you wouldn't regret the results.but they dont have wide variety of lenses.

just my 2 cents.

the new pentax K-30 is now pre-selling... fully weather sealed body and wr lenses available plus fully compatible with those old manual lenses from the manual era...

well if you have budget less than 2k, can consider micro-four-third. upgrade when you are ready and comfortable.

they are small and compact. some user can take better photos than dslr owners.

it depends on your financial status, for me overprice camera the word is a bit hurt feeling for most photographer...
but one thing reminds you, nikon and canon having the most cheap 50mm lens, but they are in the top ten best lens! mind your word...IMO

your point is true, if you take a canon 7D and 550D to compare the picture, no one can actually tell the difference, anyway, think back 5 years, you wont own a DSLR if you dun have a thicker wallet! should thank Sony for releasing a200, releasing a low price DSLR..then you now have canon 1100D and nikon D3100...

taken by me. approved by shutterstock (this mean photo passed their minimum quality requirement in terms of picture quality, and photo has commercial value).

Canon EOS 350D
Canon EF 50mm f1.8 II

what I'm telling you now - what you buy today, an entry-level camera regardless of brand, make my camera and lens look like antique.

so why worry?

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Added on July 17, 2012, 12:42 pmactually la, that photo is quoted for people who buy expencheap camera but shooting nonsense.

but seriously, how people spend their money is up to them.

another thing to note - is there such a thing as OVERPRICED camera to begin with? Leica M9 body alone can buy you a whole super power DSLR setup. (eg D4 + 2470 + SB900, 1DX + 2470 + 600EX-RT, whatever else).

Seriously.. no need to think beginner or advance or pro wan.

Difference between them is just the more pro ones are pricier, heavier and have more features that beginners has yet to understand.

Also no need to think about future proofing cos its an electronic equipment and there's no feature proofing in this industry.

Most dslr also got auto and P mode so it's just opening up the box, point at general direction, press the shutter button and it'll go chick chack... picture taken.

Just think how much you willing to spend on a camera, go to shop or showroom molest a bit, go on interweb and check the fair pricing of the item, avoid buying additional junk that the shops tries to sembelih you, pay, go home, shoot, shoot more and avoid buying stuff for 6 months and learn.

+1 to the above by Sniper.

seriously man, buy what you like. go out and molest the various models (referring to the cameras) and go with the one you like.

i prefer to purchase simplicity and light
too much function is a killer

550D not bad for a beginner...^^

oh yes, 550D.



taken with EOS 550D and EF-S 18-55 lens.

both nikon and canon 18-55 kit lens is in the top ten best lens, stick with it nothing goes wrong, if need another lens, just grab a 50mm f1.8, which i use it 80% of the time rather than any lens

sample picture with nikon D80 and 50mm f1.8 with SB-800


the worst camera is the one you bought and you left it unused at home, plan ahead and dun let the promoted bleed your wallet

This post has been edited by lamjunrong: Jul 18 2012, 09:08 AM

If u really interested to play camera...I will advice u directly take 18-200..If budget allowed~

burget not allow me buy T.T
now finding some part time to do it so can brought 1
tq guys for the info.^^
any shop recommend?

Go shop try each of it then decide yourself.

Why nobody preffer Lumix, no good?

http://storekini.com/camera/panasonic.html

is not Lumix no good, in going for small camera, lumix used smaller sensor, which you will notice the big different when low light shooting, when compared to DSLR.
me myself used GF3 before and found its image to be very vivid and achieve beyond my expectation on M43 sensor camera...
if your budget is like ard 2k, get a M43 camera as in some case is better than canon nikon entry DSLR, as M43 camera having lots of filter effect...etc...summore some with full HD recording..

try sony nex-c3 or f3, you get a bigger sensor in the similar camera size as M43

TQ for you opinion, I've learned a lot. .

I try to tell some of my friend semi-pro is better than DSLR if you don't add the lens but haven't got a success case.
Now I looking for 1 for my GF but she will never listen.

this GF3 and NEX-C3 both also look nice.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCGF3/DMCGF3A.HTM

Do u like sony A camera?A57 is DLST~ price almost same as CANON 550D~pix a bit lower than 550D only..but A57 can shoot 12frame/second~^^

erm what do you mean by "Now I looking for 1 for my GF but she will never listen."?

semi pro is able to compete with canon 1100D nikon D3200 level DSLR, but when comes to canon 600D and nikon D5100 and above, you have to consider for semi pro, as you need a very expensive semi pro for rm4k plus and for 4k you get nikon D7000, which is a all round winner in performance and specs (not mentioning bigger build size...)

but in the end, IMO, M43 body would not last quite long, think of 3-4 years back, olympus release the pen-1 (EP-1), selling ard 3k, now, do you still want to use it? it changes the perspective of ppl about M43, but the body spec is too slow, think twice if you buy M43...generally you get better camera control on DSLR..

if budget allowed, put in rm4k for a nikon d7000 or canon 60D, dun think of speed lite, other lens, etc. the 18-105 lens is just superb and cover most angle normal photographer needs...me using D7000 and just bought a 50mm f1.8 for sharp portraits image...

D7000+50mm f1.8D+SB 800 (f7,ISO400, 1/50sec)

think nothing but the only you need for shooting, not the stuff that you want..thx (spaming too much de...XD)

This post has been edited by lamjunrong: Jul 24 2012, 08:49 AM

"Now I looking for 1 for my GF but she will never listen."

She want D1100
I said D3100 got better spec, but she will ........ listen to me...

My budget is very limited, <RM2k, no money to add more lens. (poor guy)

I got what U mean.
So now we just focus on D1100.. (to reduce problem...)

That plastic feel & original lens.....

now you have D3200 already... so i think Canon will push a new replacement for 1100D very soon also...

No matter entry level or pro level body...most important is to know how to use the camera setting to get the right exposure and composition.

I think the quality of a picture comes from the photographer's creativity.

IMO, is better if both of you choose the same brand, take it as investment, if you use nikon, ur GF uses canon, then big problem lol, in term of buying additional lens, accessories...but is not a really big problem lar, as i think you will stick to the 18-55 lens for quite some time, but i suggest you wait for canon newer 1100D replacement model, canon cannot lens nikon one step ahead of them...(hate to say this as i a nikon user, nikon been i a downwind under canon)...

why not take a look at the new Canon EOS M camera..

can use EF lenses with adapter...

in the future if u wan to upgrade to DSLR (7D, 5Dmk3), no need buy new lens

explain further.

1. and do you know that the adapter alone comes close to RM 1k?
2. if the person bought EF-S lenses, then later go 5D3 also still have to change lens

yea... that is what happening in Nex also... hehe...

EOS M come with kit lens... there is no need to buy adapter up front...

the camera is for TG gf (IMO most females prefer smaller body).. from the specs.. alot of similarity to the 650D...

if TS will buy a DSLR for himself in the future, he can invest in the Canon Ecosystem.... then can buy the adapter if his GF want to share glasses...

in the future if TS is to invest in a RM10k 5Dmk3, i don't think he will mind trading in his existing EF-S glasses (btw, I wrote EF lens... not EF-S lens )

Go get this Entry Level DSLR from Singapore Pentax - for less than RM2500~
Weather sealed (THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW) around this price~ Challenge this K-30 for Value for money~!!

http://youtu.be/evveUX2vpc0


See the big brother of this K-30 camera with SAME LEVEL OF WEATHER SEALING (MUST SEE):







This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 27 2012, 11:16 AM

from the way you posted, you look like you're saying get adapter upfront.

yes you wrote EF lenses but did you that EF-S lenses is part of EF lenses? See here http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras

You'll see a link EF lens line-up. It covers both EF and EF-S. That's why I had to add on, that if using EF-S lenses then one would still have to upgrade.

later the GF come back argue say buy Nikon mirrorless then susah liao. hehe.

I am not TS sorry
but I am also looking for beginner DSLR


Reply TS 1st:

for the beginner DSLR should be (a war between)

Nikon D3100 & Canon 1100D most popular in market

I think the spec Nikon is slightly better, but Canon have better imaging sensor.

We should worry about the glasses 1st, if the lenses price cheaper in 2nd hand market there will be a good choice too.

http://www.pixiq.com/article/top-entry-level-dslr

Ps: My GF won't argue already, she still want Canon, said that Canon color is more solid.

If Canon is your choice, go for something higher than 1100D, like 600D. Chances are once you're get familiar with DSLR photography, you'll see a lot of limitations in 1100D vs others.

O RLY? what's her photography skill level at the moment btw?

if donno anything, how you know what is "more solid"?

huh? all this while i hear nikon got better colours

or maybe she had a bad experience with photos that come from other cameras?

but then i prefer canon colours too they seem more accurate

and yet Jerry Ghionis went from Canon to Nikon. Rocco Ancora also Nikon. Louis Pang also Nikon. CM Leung also Nikon. Lito Sy also Nikon ......... so how?

Nikon D90

GF reply : "Are you saying they are right? Or are you going to listen to me?"

GG

just say "n00b shaddap" lor. kekekeke. after that world war 3 starts .......

hope this posting wont cause problem btwn you and your GF, if she fix her mind to canon, just get it, but you might want to wait for upcoming model then consider buying 1100D, as said canon cant let nikon D3200 take the beginner camera market, dun fool by the megapixes, but on the price, weight, fps (if you shooting sports quite often)
i can even add in sony alpha and tell you they have one of the fastest fps camera currently, straight buy wha is in your mind and take it as an investment...

guys nikon D3200 or D5100 better?^^

IMO, if you want to compare, do take D3200 to compare with d7000 then you onli see the difference...but d3200 is a new model, d5100 is a worth buy also, as its class is above d3xxx series, since both around the same price, just go for any model will do, but both dun have build in motor as d7000 and d90 does...dun get brainwash by the 24mp on the d3200, do you really need the 24mp picture, or you need a 5meter by 5meter picture print?

if you have budget around 3k, get a d7000, you wont regret it...

or a easier thing is, u like gold ring or red ring on your (future) lens ?

gold ring = go for nikon
red ring = go for canon

both brand also more or less the same nia.. as we are not National Geographic photographer capturing volcano or eagle soaring..

is all about the 'glass' in the end. :ifyouknowwhatimean.jpg:

I'm actually a Canon user but I would say go for Nikon.
To be honest at the entry level it doesn't make too much difference. The difference seems to be much more noticeable closer to the higher end of the scale.

If you don't plan to be very serious with your photography, I would say go with whatever feels better in your hand/price/image tone preference. Also helps if you have friends with different lenses you can experiment with!

On the flip side if you think you will eventually get more serious and develop your hobby, it then comes down to what you want to use it for.

When I shoot weddings, there are often times where I require a high ISO under low light in which my Canon 5dmkiii excels in. But then sometimes when I shoot street fashion photography out in broad daylight that high ISO is not needed and therefore there is more of an even argument between a Canon or a Nikon. If I was to do portrait photography in a studio where I require high megapixels, I would then consider the Nikon over Canon.

I would say spend more money and time on skill.

i prefer Nikon D3200

I today just get myself new Nikon D5100. My 1st SLR camera.

I think D5100 is best buy for beginner now

nice. the flip screen is godsent

Grazt man,still not enough budget T.T

There should be a sticky thread to end this argument once and for all: which beginner DSLR is better, which midrange DSLR is better etc etc. Anyone who's asking is almost certainly gearhead instead of photographer looking for upgrade. A gearhead research into questions like which camera is superior, which imaging sensor is more solid (a bunch of bull, tell me again how the DXO marks of xxx camera makes you wet your bed at night).

An artist or photographer who really knows his stuff will research into which tool is most suitable to his need. Take for example, you like photojournalism? So your preferable lens range from 24-85mm, maybe you'll need some big aperture lens, any camera on the market has access to these lens, so it comes down to the question: price or aesthetic? If price is a concern, just get the most bang for value camera. If you like aesthetic like me, I'll save a little more and get 1 camera that always inspires me wanting to go out and shoot. Plastic DSLRs although they are very capable but I just don't get the same feeling when I'm holding my really obsolete+heavy as a mammoth's balls Mamiya RB.

TS you should see what type of photography you're interested to do, and willing to spend a lot of time to learn the craft, then head into that direction. Otherwise the next thread I'm about to see you start is "Which lens/flash should I buy".

Join some photography workshop. Sony always has a workshop for the Alpha/nex owners, Nikon too (I'm not Canon owner so I'm not sure about Canon), plus there are dozens other workshop for photojournalism, wedding, wedding journalism, food, event, portraiture, sports, race, glamour, nude, action, animals...

**ok enough rants. I'm having a bad day sorry =) But you know what TS, I have one camera with me since the first day I start photography, and I still actively using, is my Mamiya RB67. The output is unlike anything you see on...FB. It cost me only RM700 with lens. Developing is RM10 per roll and scanning RM5, film less than RM20 per roll. I always use it to shoot for fun. FUN, is the keyword here.

This post has been edited by kel_jink: Sep 17 2012, 12:00 PM

you should get a cold drink.............

Nah, I'm cool. It's a long post, I reread it again, my point still stands.

i posted this topic also got my own reason,because i really really new in DSLR,i mean ya i got take photo with Phone or other DC.i posted this topic because i want to know something about DSLR,which DSLR better for entry lvl photographer.dont you think that a entry photographer using a super high spec of DSLR is a waste?just that ya you might be think that me asking something stupid,but you also need to think why i asking?i can just simply go and buy a DSLR and showoff.but no,i want to learn.that y i am posting.and i appreciated those reply in this topic.they teach me alot also.if i didnt ask.i know nothing. no offence bro.

Don't stop learning cuz it's never end!!

but, make sure u'll fully utilize it & learn to the max!! jgn macam kawan ku.. jadi decoration & habuk... LOL!!

haha still learning while borrow my friend DSLR.XD.

I suggest that you 1st use a prosumer/semi dslr compact camera. It has almost all the same function of dslr except you cant exchange the lenses. Try and familiarise with it and once you are ready for the jump to dslr...then only you can jump into entery level dslr or high end. Seen many who jump straight to dslr without any knowledge of using it..will sold off their gear with in 6 months.

My cheap 2 cents,it doesn't matter which brand or model you select as your first dslr if you couldn't master the basic of taking right photography in the first place.As whatever model you select it will be replace in a year or 2 with newer specs and so on.Given the fact that photography has not changed since the first slr inception, it's all about nailing the correct exposure with aperture and shutter speed.And majority of entry dslr cameras just can do that.Branding affinity is more of a personal preference and who to say pentax owner couldn't take great picture compare to someone rocking a canon or nikon.And please don't use the pro use brand x in his career so it must be emulated.When you have great photos to show then you earn the right to brag about it lorr.LOL.

Go to a shop pick the one model you like and hold it with your hand to feel how does it handle.At the end it's you who are using it and not the tech sheet dictating how a photo is taken.A lot of us was too caught up with technology aspect and forgot how to enjoy photography.

I'm still no where near earning the right to brag.

Have fun.

Hi ts, I didn't mean any offence, but try reread my comment again, my point is:

1) determine what is your shooting preference/style
2) what is your deciding factor in buying camera (price or aesthetic)
3) learn how to shoot by attending workshop
4) the best tool of learning photography is the one that forces you to think, and ny recommendation is film slr that you can get them for cheap

I've already passed the "oh look you have a expensive cameras and you must be one of those spoiled brat who shoots only in auto" phase, what camera you own is none of my business as long as you are having fun with it and actually learning, and not shooting your lunch, or dinner, or supper, or random door knobs, or random self portrait. =)

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Added on September 20, 2012, 10:51 amAnother point is, ALL dslr in the market is good if not more than what you need to get into photography. Don't mind people saying lens availability if you don't see yourself upgrading lens every 1 year. One doesn't simply buy a lens every 1 year do they? For example my favorite is fix focal length, so I've completed my collection of 28mm, 50mm and 135 mm, I'm no longer shopping for lens anymore. Maybe from time to time I'll upgrade to better spec'ed (bigger aperture, metal construction...) and that's it.

This post has been edited by kel_jink: Sep 20 2012, 10:51 AM

how about canon 650D?

i think Canon will be the best for beginner. the 1100D, their DSLR is quite versatile. actually it's just the HD video recording. most of the Nikon doesn't have it.

i reread for few times already bro some point ya you are right,but some not really for me.maybe just the way you sent your message i misunderstood only.

Then I apologize for the way I word them. I was a gear head too, until I realised the limitation of my own cameras and my pocket. Just get the best camera you can afford, and learn to control and use it as much as you could. Learn its weakness; learn to be disappointed by your camera. Then you'll become better and better.