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evofantasy
post Jun 30 2012, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jun 30 2012, 12:34 PM)
if he partners with a tank, why then would he need resist ?

as long as somebody occupies the mobs, the dh can stand far away and ranged dps as they should. and use the stealth cloak to lose agro/deflect any damage. and use preparation to get back discipline when their tank is full. and some slow traps 80% movement speed reduction to keep enemies at bay.

so in that sense i think his itemization is good doh.gif
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even if u partner with a tank, u still risk damage from teleporter, charging off screen mobs, vortex, fast mobs, closed corridors and so many other situations etc...

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no life on hit
super low resist
no extra discipline
no bonus damage to skill (elemental arrow etc) on quiver which is the main reason to use quivers
1 handed fast xbow with bad low end damage and no life on hit

fake damage boosted by 100% sharpshooter

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look at athene's vid on proper DH itemization
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post Jun 30 2012, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(sixshot @ Jun 30 2012, 05:17 PM)
damn. if i have 150m, i would buy all the nat's set. than find a good 1200-1300 dps xbow with socket. that would be fun.  flex.gif
1. no life on hit - Shadow Power Gloom would solve this easily.
2. super low resist - DH is not a tank to begin with. i would rather play a glass cannon DH with high damage + crits rather than a tank DH with high all resists but low damage.
3. no extra discipline - 30 disc is more than enough if u know how to manage it + we got preparation skill.
4. no bonus damage to skill (elemental arrow etc) on quiver which is the main reason to use quivers - irrelevant. what people look most at quiver is dex, asi, crits chance, discipline. the rest is bonus.
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1. wasted an extra skill... not to mention high vit with low resist = terribad eHP
2. repeat after me: a dead dps is no dps
3. not enuff for solo-ing
4. irrelevant? u are saying a flat out 10% bonus to damage irrelevant? doh.gif Watch more of athene's vids

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jun 30 2012, 06:16 PM
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post Jun 30 2012, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(sixshot @ Jun 30 2012, 07:17 PM)
1. gloom have save me so many times when fighting reflect damage elites. waste extra skill? not at all.
2. tanker dh with low dps. for how long can u tank? 3-4 hit? but damage output would be low. to build a tanker dh with high all resists + decent damage will cost a lot. since i cant afford that, i rather play a glass cannon dh with high damage output.
3. i solo from normal > inferno act 4 with 30 disc.
4. like i mentioned earlier, the most important stats people are looking at quiver is DEX/IAS/CRITS CHANCE/MAX DISC..to have other stats is a bonus. don't u get it?  doh.gif
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2. getting 1 shotted = dead dps nuff' said... u gear enuff eHP so u can last 3 hits without dying when u get bad combinations... i am not asking him to go tank, but rather having enuff to survive 2-3 hits
3. solo downed diablo with tat 30 disc? doubt so unless u have the natalia set bonus... with the amount he spent aka 150M, he coulda gotten those pieces with the stats...
4. as i said, look at Athene's build... no matter what ur argument is, even for a glass cannon like athene's build; his is wrong... the main and biggest quiver stat to look for is the skill damage (reason y ppl carry 2 quivers - 1 for cluster, 1 for elemental) is cause of that flat out 10% damage increase which scales multiplicatively with ur dex and low-top end damage...

let's share the stat and build which u used to solo down act4 ya? i'm curious
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post Jun 30 2012, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(kpchoo29 @ Jun 30 2012, 08:25 PM)
1. HP is irrelevant for me since they cant hit me, and if I die thats because my micro suck/lag.
2. They die 1st, and higher dps also makes u a better DH in team game.
3. I got 35 disc and I completed inferno(solo), more disc is better but not necessary.
4. Lets talk about Athene when u have godlike gears like him. 10% extra damage is good but not necessary.

Everyone would like get highest HP, resist, DPS, Discipline if they are rich....but I think it is suck for a poor/average DH to go tanky type.
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i said eHP, not HP... eHP and HP is 2 totally different thing =.="
u can replace all the vit (he got 40k+ hp) for resist which gives soooo much more eHP...
vit is the worst eHP addition of all...
thus, if he spent so much on vit, why not replace it with resist which is so much better?

name me 1 stat which buff ur damage by 10% on a single piece of gear?
y i mentioned athene is because he is a well known theory crafter...
not because of his gear...
u can never argue against spreadsheet numbers...

do note:
the OP said he spent 150M and the gears are pretty subpar for the amount spent...
what we were talking about is how the other itemization would benefit him more for the gear...
no matter what style he play, u cant really neglect the extra damage...

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post Jun 30 2012, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jun 30 2012, 09:35 PM)
evo makes an interesting point regarding the defensive stats dh should have.

offensive > defensive minimal.

my own minimal defense i did was just have high armor, and physical resist, although i would just focus more on getting offensive stats in the first place.

so thats my minimal defensive stats doh.gif

not saying what is did is the best way to go around it, but it seems to be cheaper to get compared to the all res + vit + dex gear (which coincidentally would make an awesome item for a monk)
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all resist would be the best but if u are on a budget, fire resist would be better due to mortar (while plague, arcane etc is much easier to dodge)... physical for all those teleporting/ fast mob/ ninja mobs from no where/ steal mobs/ flying birds... as long as u dun get 1 shotted (or 2 due to latency) u are fine... smaller health pool with higher mitigation = easier to heal up from life steal/ life on hit effects...
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post Jul 1 2012, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 1 2012, 04:40 AM)
well i heard although bow animation looks faster, actually xbow can shoot just as fast although animation doesn't quite show it as well.

check the attacks per second on the weapon to reconfirm.

but i reckon the current recommendation is to go for 2hander xbows for a crit strategy, seeing as attack speed opness was nerfed.

also the highest dps dh for d3 uses an xbow 2hder besides.
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if u look at the low end damage, u will find that xbow is way better...
fast weapon usually have very very bad low end damage and slightly lower top end damage...
if u are going for the crit build, u would want that gap to be smaller thus ur crits are nt wasted...

look for the top end damage followed by low end damage when buying a weapon (works with any non-LoH based builds)
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post Jul 1 2012, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 1 2012, 12:59 PM)
so expensive :{ i did check ah but no good deal yet.
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slow weapons are good as they consume ur hatred at a slower pace but deals a truck load of damage (cluster arrow - loaded for the boar)...
but the first investment is of course the quivers with atk bonuses...
if u see the BiS list, those are the best upgrade u can get from the multiplicative stacking...
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post Jul 1 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(ArmedandDangerous @ Jul 1 2012, 04:04 PM)
If you had 150m to spend... I'm not sure why you are still low damage.  Since you say that you rather play glass cannon DH, 150m can do much much more damage than your screenshots show.

I spent less than 50m with resist gear and comparable damage (total gear cost of EVERYTHING).

You keep saying that resist is not worth it and you will be dealing less damage etc etc.  Well here is my gear for 1/3 your cost.

70k without SS in damage gear, 66k damage in resist gear.  110 (resist set)-120k(damage set) with SS.

http://imgur.com/a/yVBCO#1

Still looking for more resist gear that won't drop my damage so much /: Aiming for about 500-600 resists~
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^ this, better optimization of gears especially chosing resist over vit

was wondering why u are nt using loaded for bears? O.o
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post Jul 2 2012, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(johnny82 @ Jul 2 2012, 03:33 PM)
i have a question for my fellow DHs.. im curious wat type of xbow is the best ah? is the +xx% max damage important? how bout those with xxx low and xxx high damage? so far i only aim for the xbow with high crit or IAS.. but i feel like not much diff in my damage..
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2H xbow...
dun look at DPS but rather the damage itself...
xbow usually have a small gap between the min and max damage thus it is really stable...
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(johnny82 @ Jul 2 2012, 03:57 PM)
how bout the +XX max damage? is that important?
and also the - xxx min damage and - xxx max damage?
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those are already accounted for in the damage of the weapon...
so u can jz ignore those =)

 

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