Take a look

Stats :


Items :


This build is for those lazy to change MF set when the elites last hit,and might be not enough times to change.

Thanks for views !

This post has been edited by nubJeff: Jun 30 2012, 12:26 AM

Critical Hit Chance - 100%

Yup, sharpshooter.

Edit: Though I'm not sure if sharpshooter is counted outside the game. Most probably not.

Edit 2: Apparently it is.

This post has been edited by apamise: Jun 30 2012, 12:38 AM

My passive with this stats = Tactical Advantage,Sharpshooter,Steady Aim. The quiver that I using now it just extra , changing 1 more 1H bow.

looking good. still need people to kill ghom. can?

@@?what ?

mind to share how much u spend? itemize if possible.

Errmm..its like 100m-150m I guess..cause I was prepared 100m,and sold stormshield and some godly gloves ..so the range should be accurate

quick question
since ur armor/resistance is so low
dont u like get 1 hit die from elite/champion or long range attacks?
i dunno i'm heading the right direction or not
41k dps w/o ss
but i pump up to 500 all resistance and 2.8k armor

Lee Choon Wai ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Wai u so rich?!

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Jun 30 2012, 03:02 AM

What's your range without SS?

no + all resist..can tahan meh bro

Wow 120k......... eh.. sharpshooter

I hate ppl take sharpshooter into their dps count...

IF i got 150m to spend.. I'd rather roll a melee class than a glass cannon DH..

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jun 30 2012, 11:40 AM

lol ss sure can stack up high dmg la.... =-=

Look at the resist

wow how to get 150m ?

Buy with with yr real money

OR

Can ask the China gamers (bear at own risk )

This post has been edited by FireSnake: Jun 30 2012, 12:30 PM

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:01 AM

even if u partner with a tank, u still risk damage from teleporter, charging off screen mobs, vortex, fast mobs, closed corridors and so many other situations etc...

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no life on hit
super low resist
no extra discipline
no bonus damage to skill (elemental arrow etc) on quiver which is the main reason to use quivers
1 handed fast xbow with bad low end damage and no life on hit

fake damage boosted by 100% sharpshooter



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look at athene's vid on proper DH itemization

this is 1 hell of a damage dealer.. bro pt with me i tank u shoot =)

damn. if i have 150m, i would buy all the nat's set. than find a good 1200-1300 dps xbow with socket. that would be fun.

1. no life on hit - Shadow Power Gloom would solve this easily.
2. super low resist - DH is not a tank to begin with. i would rather play a glass cannon DH with high damage + crits rather than a tank DH with high all resists but low damage.
3. no extra discipline - 30 disc is more than enough if u know how to manage it + we got preparation skill.
4. no bonus damage to skill (elemental arrow etc) on quiver which is the main reason to use quivers - irrelevant. what people look most at quiver is dex, asi, crits chance, discipline. the rest is bonus.

1 is irrelavent if you didnt have enough 2...pretty much any elite will 1 shot you with sub 100 resistance even with the damage reduction, plus preparation wont be enough if you r too soft and need to rely on gloom, invi or vault all the time just to avoid being hit even ONCE

L2P. that's when kiting comes into play. wait for that prep/disc to comes off cooldown and start damaging the enemy back. i have watched a lot DH stream and i would say knowing how to fully utilize your skills + reaction + kiting is the most important aspect when playing a DH.

u have watched, have u personally played DH yourself?

i have completed inferno.

with ur dh? then i salute u then
my APM isnt that imba yet for me to move around the map as efficient lol

1. wasted an extra skill... not to mention high vit with low resist = terribad eHP
2. repeat after me: a dead dps is no dps
3. not enuff for solo-ing
4. irrelevant? u are saying a flat out 10% bonus to damage irrelevant? Watch more of athene's vids

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jun 30 2012, 06:16 PM

1. gloom have save me so many times when fighting reflect damage elites. waste extra skill? not at all.
2. tanker dh with low dps. for how long can u tank? 3-4 hit? but damage output would be low. to build a tanker dh with high all resists + decent damage will cost a lot. since i cant afford that, i rather play a glass cannon dh with high damage output.
3. i solo from normal > inferno act 4 with 30 disc.
4. like i mentioned earlier, the most important stats people are looking at quiver is DEX/IAS/CRITS CHANCE/MAX DISC..to have other stats is a bonus. don't u get it?

Well to me both have it's pros and cons. As I'm frequently playing with lag spikes, Glass Cannon is definitely NOT viable for me. My build lies between DPS & Tank. ~42k HP, ~350 ALLRES, 41% Crit Chance, 330% Crit Damage. With Gloom, I can survive good enough and top it up with Night Stalker to recover my limited Discipline.

In the end, it depends on the player - whether if they prefer the Full DPS build (dies from ANY single hits) or tank build (survive a few hits). To me, semi-tank is much more suitable.

P/S: I was once a glass cannon build but it's really frustrating to die from every single hits, especially if it's due to connection issues

Oh and back to topic relating to Magic Find, recently I tried to swap out my full set to Magic Finding set with reasonable DPS / HP / ALLRES.. managed to achieve around 120% MF with 40k HP, ~200ALLRES, same crit chance & crit damage.. can't take too much hits using this build but I guess it's fine provided that I avoid taking hits properly.

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jun 30 2012, 07:31 PM

This.

well mind to share your DH's build? just as a reference so that i know roughly what level i should get to to be able to proceed deep in inferno

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:01 AM

2. getting 1 shotted = dead dps nuff' said... u gear enuff eHP so u can last 3 hits without dying when u get bad combinations... i am not asking him to go tank, but rather having enuff to survive 2-3 hits
3. solo downed diablo with tat 30 disc? doubt so unless u have the natalia set bonus... with the amount he spent aka 150M, he coulda gotten those pieces with the stats...
4. as i said, look at Athene's build... no matter what ur argument is, even for a glass cannon like athene's build; his is wrong... the main and biggest quiver stat to look for is the skill damage (reason y ppl carry 2 quivers - 1 for cluster, 1 for elemental) is cause of that flat out 10% damage increase which scales multiplicatively with ur dex and low-top end damage...

let's share the stat and build which u used to solo down act4 ya? i'm curious

1. HP is irrelevant for me since they cant hit me, and if I die thats because my micro suck/lag.
2. They die 1st, and higher dps also makes u a better DH in team game.
3. I got 35 disc and I completed inferno(solo), more disc is better but not necessary.
4. Lets talk about Athene when u have godlike gears like him. 10% extra damage is good but not necessary.

Everyone would like get highest HP, resist, DPS, Discipline if they are rich....but I think it is suck for a poor/average DH to go tanky type.

Chill out guys, each build have its own adv/disadv.. in the end it's just up to players themselves, no point flaming different builds just cause it's not suited to one's playstyle.

Here's some comparison (as semi-tanky build)

Farming set:
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DPS set:
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I do agree however, being able to take at least one hit helps tremendously especially that I'm always playing with laggy connections

i said eHP, not HP... eHP and HP is 2 totally different thing =.="
u can replace all the vit (he got 40k+ hp) for resist which gives soooo much more eHP...
vit is the worst eHP addition of all...
thus, if he spent so much on vit, why not replace it with resist which is so much better?

name me 1 stat which buff ur damage by 10% on a single piece of gear?
y i mentioned athene is because he is a well known theory crafter...
not because of his gear...
u can never argue against spreadsheet numbers...

do note:
the OP said he spent 150M and the gears are pretty subpar for the amount spent...
what we were talking about is how the other itemization would benefit him more for the gear...
no matter what style he play, u cant really neglect the extra damage...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jun 30 2012, 09:14 PM

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This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:02 AM

all resist would be the best but if u are on a budget, fire resist would be better due to mortar (while plague, arcane etc is much easier to dodge)... physical for all those teleporting/ fast mob/ ninja mobs from no where/ steal mobs/ flying birds... as long as u dun get 1 shotted (or 2 due to latency) u are fine... smaller health pool with higher mitigation = easier to heal up from life steal/ life on hit effects...

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:02 AM

the only worth looking at =)
no ss.. 300 crit damage 40+ crit chance
very nice =)

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Added on July 1, 2012, 1:26 amwhy not swap ss with archery ? +10% crit chance...

This post has been edited by -JusJasMiNe-: Jul 1 2012, 01:26 AM

I swear to god, theres so many glass cannon out there that I think when pvp finally comes out there would be a specific glass cannon only arena for pvp so you guys can play rock paper scissors with each other haha.

Glass cannon is fine and dandy for farming, but endgame its all about pvp.
I know that the dev will somehow tune it so that it wont be a 1 shot do or die fest, but its just ridiculous to see.

The way I see it the only way they are gonna proceed with pvp with this much disparity of dmg vs def is a rating system, and ditch the whole pve dps entirely.
For example,pure glass cannon will have 10(max) attack rating with 1(lowest) def rating.
So, speculatively speaking, it MIGHT not matter if your dps without ss is 100k if a 70k dps will already put your attack rating at 10, which is the max.

If youre so keen on playing glass cannon, at least get your res/armor up to what you think an okay-ish def rating would be, you dont want your def rating to be lowest.

my current build, was sick of getting one shot by teleports and snakes. So ended up building this.
Should I get a 1 hand with 700-900 lifesteal ? or stick wit bow or xbox ?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:02 AM

if u look at the low end damage, u will find that xbow is way better...
fast weapon usually have very very bad low end damage and slightly lower top end damage...
if u are going for the crit build, u would want that gap to be smaller thus ur crits are nt wasted...

look for the top end damage followed by low end damage when buying a weapon (works with any non-LoH based builds)

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 15 2017, 09:04 AM

slow weapons are good as they consume ur hatred at a slower pace but deals a truck load of damage (cluster arrow - loaded for the boar)...
but the first investment is of course the quivers with atk bonuses...
if u see the BiS list, those are the best upgrade u can get from the multiplicative stacking...

I agree with this, even though that Fast Weapon generates Hatred faster, but it's consuming it as fast as well.. tried to switch back to Bow but didn't like the unsteady crits.. switched back to xbow, unless of course there's a super-deal on bows/handbow

If you had 150m to spend... I'm not sure why you are still low damage. Since you say that you rather play glass cannon DH, 150m can do much much more damage than your screenshots show.

I spent less than 50m with resist gear and comparable damage (total gear cost of EVERYTHING).

You keep saying that resist is not worth it and you will be dealing less damage etc etc. Well here is my gear for 1/3 your cost.

70k without SS in damage gear, 66k damage in resist gear. 110 (resist set)-120k(damage set) with SS.

http://imgur.com/a/yVBCO#1

Still looking for more resist gear that won't drop my damage so much /: Aiming for about 500-600 resists~

This post has been edited by ArmedandDangerous: Jul 1 2012, 04:07 PM

^ this, better optimization of gears especially chosing resist over vit

was wondering why u are nt using loaded for bears? O.o

I prefer Cluster Bombs cos they hit harder, hit more targets, and can go "over" shielding/invulnerable minions. Cluster Arrow w/LfB hits the ground, but gets blocked by everything. Only Wallers can block my CA

I have slightly better gear and thinking of selling my whole toons.

just looking at the prices of xboxs make my muka masam

Sorry for late reply,
I can tank 2-3 hits, in inferno mode since blizzard nerf the mobs when in party,and this set is just for me to farm when I'm bored farming alone.

Yet,I don't really get hits so higher resistant doesn't matter with me.And I can hit 150-160k critical is enough to farm with 200 plus MF, if in case just get hit from mobs still can survive and smokescreen to ran away.

Note : For those players keep on saying 150m to build a melee?Sorry,I'm already owned a melee runs whole ACT III just take me 1-2 hours (Only kill all elites) , so I build up this DH just to play MF as main gear and I'm happy with it now cause you can try to change MF set while last hits but make sure you can survive or enough time to change

This MF build could help those melee tanker,since the MF is average to party

*Low discipline* Why 30 consider low? More than enough for me, if you're able to manage it ...

This post has been edited by nubJeff: Jul 2 2012, 09:05 AM

wow, 200 magic finding. i would like to party you for that MF share. lol

If you can tank for ACT III , I don't mind to runs with you haha..

i have a question for my fellow DHs.. im curious wat type of xbow is the best ah? is the +xx% max damage important? how bout those with xxx low and xxx high damage? so far i only aim for the xbow with high crit or IAS.. but i feel like not much diff in my damage..

2H xbow...
dun look at DPS but rather the damage itself...
xbow usually have a small gap between the min and max damage thus it is really stable...

how bout the +XX max damage? is that important?
and also the - xxx min damage and - xxx max damage?

Those Min, max, damage range, bonus elemental damage, % damage, etc are already included in the damage range (e.g. 715 ~ 1032 damage crossbow with DPS of 961)

So you don't need to take those into consideration, look at the DPS (or damage range), and see any additional benefits (DEX, VIT, CRIT DMG, SOCKET, etc)

ic.. thanks man... clear up some of my confusion
time to look at 1k xbow.. so expensive..

those are already accounted for in the damage of the weapon...
so u can jz ignore those =)

Lol. Blizzard give us sharpshooter to use rite, not for display purpose right ? Lolz. Or maybe i miss the word "For Display Purpose Only" in the skills description..

I think what he meant is, the DPS shown with sharpshooter is too fake and not realistic at all. How long can you maintain 100% critical rate? 1 seconds and then another 30seconds of recharging later?

I do personally agree with this. No point showing the DPS with sharpshooter on as it's totally not realistic and sometimes even, not reliable. Best to show DPS with SS disabled for most accurate result...

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Added on July 2, 2012, 5:33 pm@TS:

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jul 2 2012, 05:33 PM

Sharpshooter is very very good, but it has a bad reputation cos it tends to inflates displayed dps.
Its very good the best for opening aoe burst, but thats not all.

The bonus crit ticks start at 0 sec, so you get that 3% crit chance for free, and if youre a skeptic that the bonus benefits you for 1 sec only, thats already 6% crit chance.
Ppl says that its effects diminish by the more crit chance you have, but hey, guess what.Sharpshooter is a BONUS to crit chance.
The so called big diminishing returns only applies for the bonus per sec aspect of the skill, but NOT sharphooter as a crit chance entirely.
Crit chance also have diminishing returns(albeit a smaller percentage), yet you crank it up all the same.Why? Because its a source of dmg and its stupid not to grab it just because you get less increments.

I facepalm at those ppl who are looking to amp up their crit yet still look at sharphooter like its AIDS when they are basically the same thing.

Sharpshooter provides a nice buffer for ppl before they hit up a reasonable crit chance with their gear, but if you look at the glass half full, its a free 6% crit chance, and at a 300% crit dmg, thats 12% dps.

And I always saw "can I ditch sharphooter with my current crit chance" threads, but to be frankly speaking with higher crit chance, you can have a shorter wait time window between burst.
Its all about perspective.

Hmm, cause he sounded like sharpshooter shouldn be there. Well, i am just a beginner DH, so i am open to suggestions and criticism

Ok,my stats without SS 72745.05 <- HERE.

This DPS with the items which I posted , getting another 1H xbow ..should hit 90k-100k without SS I guess.

I have to agree with nightshade and deaththecannon.... Blizzard created that skill for a purpose and im sure many people are using it. Depends on individual preference. If people wants to show off their dps let them be. As long as those people can finish the game who cares if he uses Sharp shooter or not.

One mans meat another mans poison. Peace!

True. But when the base crit chance is enough to sustain, sometimes there are alternatives to look at, as compared to the bonus critical chance. Skills like Night Stalker become interesting again at this point.

But unarguably, I agree with you that SS does help to increase the critical occuring rate regardless of base critical chance

Well I guess it does sound a little like that after re-reading it. No offend here too!

Nice DPS there. Struggling to increase my DPS too but it feels like, kinda not worth at all. Any upgrades will cost me a bomb

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Added on July 2, 2012, 6:02 pmThe thing is, no one's really interested with other's DPS which are inflated by the Sharpshooter skill.. most of us are more keen into looking at non-SS DPS, which are often more accurate and.. interesting

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jul 2 2012, 06:02 PM

In a way true, but lets not forget that many of our attacks hit multiple times. NT, BL, Cluster Arrow etc etc. I crit every single time I use any of these attacks, as they hit multiple times (NT still hits everything it passes through, just not multiple times per mob). Thus, SS will almost never give me more than 6% crit chance at any given moment except when walking around and looking for champ packs to bully. 43% Crit Chance. I rather use that passive slot for Grenadier, allowing me to use one extra Cluster Arrow for really good burst. 3 Cluster Arrows > 2 Cluster Arrows that crit. I crit with every Cluster Arrow (w/ Cluster Bombs) anyway. SharpShooter does not increase my damage at all in practice. Only when single targetting with Hungering Arrow do I not crit that often. But when going after champs, big burst is what matters in Inferno. I rather crit for 200k+ multiple times on all 3 mobs, 3 times in a row.

OMG is this jefflee from my list???? HAHAHA

Glass canon build is not the way DH should go already... Once PVP come out your gears are useless ... Unless u can kill opponent with 2 or 3 hits ....now my DH can tank better than my barb with Shadow power gloom rune ( weapon with life per hits + life steal )

Hahaha~well guys, after 5months I back to this thread, everything has been changed so MUCH ..hehehe !

from my point of view (personal opinion), Glass canon is suitable for farming in normal inferno level (MP0/1/2) specially with co-op.. In a solo mode, it can be done in a very fast pace if your DPS is extremely high (although your AR is quite low)... here's my gear that I use for farming..


But when it comes to higher MP, it is more advisable if you can occupy your DH with a higher crit chance (you need to get a lot of crit hit to kill the mobs/elites faster.)..I use cluster arrow (loaded for bear) due to its massive crit produced by this ..although it dont get as high as 1.1 mil crit hit like my farming gear, but it is better due to its frequency of generating crit hit every time I use my bow (hungering arrow) or cluster arrow..Here's my gear for higher MP...the question is, is this consider to be a good gear? The answer is no..... still weak.....


The balance gear for DH should consists of a balance stat of Crit Chance, All Resistance and Vit, ... it is a bonus if you could get a high DPS but to obtain such perfect gear will cost you an insane amount of gold.... here's my gear that I use recently for higher Uber ( I use Grenadier, Vengeance & Perfectionist)....although I still died a few times but it is much better compare with the previous ones....


This post has been edited by milzer1993: Dec 9 2012, 03:36 PM

5 months thing changes a lot , hehe
5 months ago, my dh die like shit ==

Wow this thread just got Necro from the dead.

Well look at it this way, another 5 more months.. 300k dps unbuff for a demonhunter would be very simple to achieve

You don't need sharpshooter for farming low MP. Waste of skill slot. IMO the best passives for low MP farming would be:

1. Vengeance
2. Tactical Advantage
3. Perfectionist/Archery

But of course, that's just what i think la..

Hatred spender on MP1-2 should be Ball Lightning. The AOE is just massive.

Farming Gears. Using pickup radius gears to fully reap the benefit of vengeance.


On high MP, cluster arrow is great but the damage and life steal you get from spike traps: echoing blast is just insane. Give it a try!

My passives are: 1. Archery 2. Perfectionist 3. Night Stalker/TA (depends on who i'm with)

Sometimes i use GT if i need them. If i don't i swap GT for MoD and wailing host for SoJ.

High MP/Uber gears


This post has been edited by 2890: Dec 9 2012, 08:07 PM

@TS:
try to play around with the skill available n choose what best suit ur style and ur equipment.

this is my build. i can survive until mp4 but stil prefer doing mp0-2 because it gv me more satisfaction and i can farm fast.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ck997-6230/hero/20894676

no point we argue this n that. it is just a game after all. have fun n enjoy

Hi, ur build still need long way to build... Gd luck.

240k dps with SS...reasoanble AR, Life regen 1.3k with ~300LoH is sweet spot for hunt, except if the elite is reflect damage concern.

I don't use Gloom, instead Blood Moon to 25% life steal.

Not sure if you starve Hatred regen with just dependency to your off hand, aside your bola that generates around 4.83 Hatred/sec with proc 80%.

I like your farming gear shoulders... like onigiri! lol

Thats lowish stats for a DH @ OP

This post has been edited by qicquser: Dec 10 2012, 10:23 AM

wow so imba...
I better don read later i jelly..

@shin6619

i already spend a lot of cash in it. need to stop. hehe...

plan to switch back to fps bf3. the new expansion seem nice to play 64 vs 64.

am i seeing 620k dps here?!

Anyway,I quit my DH for long time ago..my main now its MONK..Haha!!

This is just a game, no point to argue build/skills that what you playing/using. Different people different skills thats it. Lol.



This post has been edited by nubJeff: Feb 18 2013, 02:33 PM

my answer still the same

Another had jump to the dark side of YTar