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onnying88
post May 16 2014, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ May 16 2014, 10:26 AM)
Sorry to barge in an old thread, but I would like to get some clarification. Please bear with my queries.

I am taking a loan for 35 years. Considering the fact that the budget is already tight, I am opting for MRTA as it is cheaper than MLTA.
(1) How many years should I opt for? How to justify the number of years I should take.

The coverage tenure is totally depend on you to choose, if you feel you going to pay off the loan in 20 years, you can just adjust according to it. But bear in mind the reducing coverage of MRTA will not match your 35 years loan balance. That's why MLTA that give level coverage will be an advantage.


(2) Seems by default the banker tell me the price/mth for MRTA, meaning they finance it under loan also resulting in more expensive. Is it commonly paid in full or serviced monthly under the loan?

For eg. they informed me the MRTA is RM16888 for 35yrs, but RM75.91/mth for 35yrs. This means RM75.91*12*35=RM31882 which is twice the amount.

If you have the cash, you can option to pay in full. There is some discount for cash buying too. Of else you have no choice but to finance the amount into your loan.


(3) What is the interest rate for in buying MRTA / MLTA?
It will be same as your principle loan rate which is the BLR-xx%.


(4) Is it necessary to get either one. Can I purchase a life insurance instead of MRTA/MLTA that covers the exact loan amount instead?
Can, in fact MRTA/MLTA is a life insurance already. Just get the coverage product that suit for you and benefit you the most.


(5) My understanding is, buying insurance either MRTA/MLTA is to cover me in case of death or TPD. Can I not buy any insurance and in the following scenario:

What if 1, 5 or 10 years later, Im involved and either case death / tpd and property appreciated. Can my next-of-kin sell the property and cover the remaining loan while also profit from the appreciation? The consequences is losing the house, that should be all right?

Can, why not. Just as you mention, they will losing the house. But if the property value decreased (who know it might happen), then even selling the house might not enough to settle the loan.
But the main reason to get MRTA/MLTA is to provide a home to your family if something bad happen to you. Especially if you are family bread feeder.  No one hope their family to be homeless.

If case you want to have more detail of the pros and cons of the MRTA/MLTA, you may check my siggy link below for comparison and some sample quotation.



The only reason buying MRTA / MLTA is to ensure that I still own the house in case of death / tpd.
Information I referred to
http://www.imoney.my/articles/mrta-vs-mlta-need/
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post Jun 12 2014, 02:01 AM

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Yes, you may surrender MRTA anytime and get back the remaining value that still have. The surrender value should be written in your MRTA's policy.

What you need to do it just bring the MRTA's policy back to the insurance company and surrender it. To save your time, try to call up the insurance company's customer service and check with your MRTA's policy number first. Then ask where you should bring it to surrender it.



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post Jun 12 2014, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jun 12 2014, 11:32 AM)
Sorry I think I mistaken my MLTA as MRTA.

Sir, thank you very much for your explanation I just check back my house HP contract from OCBC it states

The bank may finance or part finance the premium payable for the MRTA policy subject to the following condition:
a. The MRTA must be taken from an insurance company acceptable to the bank.
b. only the basic premium will be financed or part financed by the bank. If the insurance company requires a loading or en excess, you shall bear the cost of such loading or excess.
c. you must assign absolutely all rights, title and interest and benefits to the MRTA policy to the Bank with the Bank named as sole beneficiary: and
d. You must comply with the conditions required by the insurance company and the premium for the MRTA must be paid within the time stipulated in the Letter of Offer.

My MLTA is from HLA and I'm paying the premium monthly, mature date is Dec 2027 (I started since 2007) Insured amount is 104,000. But my MLTA premium is fully paid by me and the bank did not partly finance it since it was not in my loan. So if I terminate the MLTA with HLA will I breach the contract of the bank as stated above?

Or I need to call my bank 1st to ask them if my MLTA insurance is tied with the Bank?

Thank you for your time and respond really appreciated it.
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The condition is only apply to MRTA policy, but even so, mrta can be cancel anytime. It's only let you know the condition for the finance if you finance the mrta premium.

For MLTA, the beneficiary is not the bank and given so, you are the policy owner and you are free to cancel or surrender the policy anytime too. But please check the policy have any surrender value or not before you do it.

Maybe you can pm me the product name of your MLTA that intend to cancel for more detail condition?
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post Jun 12 2014, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jun 12 2014, 01:03 PM)
Thanks again sir for your expertise in this. I have gone through a discussion with my wife again and after googling on the web I found that we will can get back our paid premium after we complete the tenure of the policy. Which is still 13 years to go. But 1 thing I do not understand is I don't see any dividend being credited to my policy as that time the HL agent said if got dividend will be shared to policy holder?
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For Your MLTA, there is no dividend as the policy is non participate term policy. The surrender value is guaranteed and following the value chart in the policy.

I think your agent mistake about it ady.
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post Dec 16 2014, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(nj922 @ Dec 16 2014, 01:45 PM)
without MLTA/MRTA, i get BLR-2.4
with MLTA, I get BLR-2.5 (but monthly installment additional rm110)

should I purchase MLTA?
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You need to check how much you need to pay for the MLTA to get a good comparison.

If the MLTA you get is over priced or you may get better coverage with same amount, then the extra 0.1% might not worth to get.

For example if you saved Rm50 from the extra 0.1% lower interest, but you pay extra Rm100 higher for the MLTA that you can get with same benefit, then in this case the 0.1% is not worth for it.

If you don't mind you may pm me the MLTA quotation you get and i can do some comparison and analysis for you to decide which is better option. smile.gif
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post Dec 18 2014, 05:31 PM

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You guys can have a look on my thread below and there is many MLTA and MRTA quotation with different scenario or age and loan amount. You can get some picture and have the idea for comparison.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2807168
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post Dec 22 2014, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Dec 22 2014, 03:08 PM)
MRTA stand for Mati Rumah Tetap Ada.

So for own stay, it highly advisable to buy either MRTA or some form of MLTA.

If you are not sure whether its gonna be own stay or long term investment,then buy some form or Regular Premium MLTA.

you can choose to stop when u are going to be sure it's not gonna be for own stay. The premium paid might be burn but cheaper than u finance the MRTA or MLTA into the Loan.

But wait, some ppl say that if you finance the MRTA or MLTA into the Housing Loan, you cannot terminate the MRTA or MLTA unless your Loan is fully settled.
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If you finance the MRTA or MLTA into the loan,mean the bank borrow you the money to buy the coverage of you,but benefit is for them, you will need to sign the absolute assignment and assign the MRTA or MLTA to the bank. Which mean the life assured will be you but policy owner will be the bank. So you have no right to cancel the policy except you do settlement for the loan including settlement by refinance.

This is also to prevent people getting cash out by finance the MRTA. If everyone finance MRTA and after a month cancel and get back the surrender value, mean they will get cash out from the mortgage loan already. It can be big money as some MRTA premium can be +-Rm100k.

But if you did not finance the MRTA or MLTA into the loan, then you may choose not to assign the MRTA or MLTA to the bank. Then you have the right to continue or terminate the MRTA or MLTA anytime.
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post Dec 24 2014, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(nj922 @ Dec 23 2014, 11:20 AM)
means not advisable to finance the MLTA into our loan?
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It's depend on the condition. If the cost of MLTA is cheap enough and you can get better rate from finance the MLTA, i will say why not?

For example:

WITHOUT Finance the MLTA into loan
Loan = Rm500k
Rate = BLR-2.4%
Tenure = 35 years
Monthly installment = Rm2350.83

WITH Finance the MLTA into loan
Loan = Rm500k
Rate = BLR-2.5%
Tenure = 35 years
Monthly installment = Rm2320.05

Different = Rm30.78

If the MLTA is only cost Rm7000, with BLR -2.5% for 35 years. It's only cost Rm32.48 per month.

So basically if you finance the Rm7000 MLTA into loan and get the BLR-2.5%, you only pay extra :-
Rm32.48-Rm30.78 = Rm1.7 per month.
Rm1.7(one teh tarik) per month for MLTA coverage, I will say why not in this case. biggrin.gif


But if the cost of MLTA if much higher or the MLTA plan that the bank offer is much expensive, it might not worth for it because you have no choice but to choose the plan from the panel insurer of the bank only.

As sometime you maybe can get much cheaper or better benefit MLTA plan else where. So it's better to get more quotation from different insurance company and do the comparison which is the best choice and value for money.

And also for MLTA, we can choose to pay by monthly or yearly and it's free of interest. Why do you want to pay a lump sum by finance the MLTA premium into the loan and let the bank earn more interest from you?

You can choose not to pay for the MLTA premium in hard time, but you can't miss to pay the loan installment or else many problem or troubles will come to you.

So if you have the choice, will you want to finance the MLTA into the loan?

This post has been edited by onnying88: Dec 24 2014, 02:25 AM

 

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