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post Jan 28 2006, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(kurikura @ Jan 28 2006, 09:05 AM)
ERm..just one question from newbie...which one is better ...  E3 or E6? E3 is old version right?
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the only thing i know is (if im not mistaken that is) E6 has a better intergrated memory controller but E3 can overclock higher.
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post Jan 28 2006, 01:23 PM

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Dude, how to know that the CnQ is running? Already turn on all the recommended feature like BIOS CnQ on. Minimum energy save and install the CnQ AMD driver.
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post Jan 28 2006, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(t007 @ Jan 28 2006, 01:23 PM)
Dude, how to know that the CnQ is running? Already turn on all the recommended feature like BIOS CnQ on. Minimum energy save and install the CnQ AMD driver.
follow this old man guides here and here..

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post Jan 28 2006, 11:29 PM

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since this thread has become database why not rename the topic title ?
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post Jan 28 2006, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(LittleLinnet @ Jan 28 2006, 11:29 PM)
since this thread has become database why not rename the topic title ?
what is so important with that?.. huh.gif
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post Jan 29 2006, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(grafreak @ Jan 28 2006, 09:45 AM)
the only thing i know is (if im not mistaken that is) E6 has a better intergrated memory controller but E3 can overclock higher.
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i'll have to disagree
good batches of E6 can easily overclock better than normal E3 and vice versa
just that not that many ppl hunt around compared to the E3 days
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post Jan 29 2006, 07:31 PM

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my latest result.. 295x9 @ 1.568..
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i cant reach 300htt stable.. cry.gif
even i hentam 1.7V.. laugh.gif
changin to better hsf will do guyz? unsure.gif
Bahlol
post Jan 29 2006, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(newbieockids @ Jan 29 2006, 07:31 PM)
my latest result.. 295x9 @ 1.568..
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i cant reach 300htt stable.. cry.gif
even i hentam 1.7V.. laugh.gif
changin to better hsf will do guyz? unsure.gif
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raise the chipset voltage abit & set lower ram initial speed. also look at the ram 1T/2T memory timing. 2T will improve stability at high cpu clock speed with a performance penalty.

heat increase = resistance increase. better hsf will help lowering the cpu temperature and resulting better electric signal within the cpu circuitry.
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post Jan 29 2006, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(Bahlol @ Jan 29 2006, 08:34 PM)
raise the chipset voltage abit & set lower ram initial speed. also look at the ram 1T/2T memory timing. 2T will improve stability at high cpu clock speed with a performance penalty.

heat increase = resistance increase. better hsf will help lowering the cpu temperature and resulting better electric signal within the cpu circuitry.
thanx for the response.. but i guess the ram isnt the prob.. tried b4 it manage to get stable at DDR590@2.5-3-3-7 w/o any hassle.. for the chipset i use the 3x HT multiplier..
so probably the temp it is rite mate?.. probably i'll get 120cm fan for the stock heatsink n see how it goes.. nice hsf is too worthy for a few 5Mhz increament laugh.gif
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post Jan 29 2006, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(lonewolf @ Jan 28 2006, 02:06 AM)
coffee...is there something wrong with my overclock..how come i m not in the list?
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If you had read the 1st post, you are supposed to post your own results.

However, I then noticed a Scythe Ninja with Silvestone 120mm fan at 1200rpm in your signature. Since you're not using stock cooling, you cannot be in the list.
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QUOTE(newbieockids @ Jan 29 2006, 08:50 PM)
thanx for the response.. but i guess the ram isnt the prob.. tried b4 it manage to get stable at DDR590@2.5-3-3-7 w/o any hassle.. for the chipset i use the 3x HT multiplier..
so probably the temp it is rite mate?.. probably i'll get 120cm fan for the stock heatsink n see how it goes.. nice hsf is too worthy for a few 5Mhz increament laugh.gif
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this is not the case actually. 1 thing to remember is athlon64 family have integrated memory controller (IMC). higher memory speed will heighten the burden on the IMC. athlon64 can be easily push too more than 500MHz from it's original speed but on higher clock speed the IMC will become the limiting factor along heat.
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post Jan 29 2006, 09:06 PM

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As according to my review in order to overclock under a stock heatsink u might wanna consider to remove the IHS... but u gotta do it carefully though, try to visit my website www.xpentor.com find an article about removing it. it's well worth it. 6C difference!
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post Jan 29 2006, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(Bahlol @ Jan 29 2006, 09:04 PM)
this is not the case actually. 1 thing to remember is athlon64 family have integrated memory controller (IMC). higher memory speed will heighten the burden on the IMC. athlon64 can be easily push too more than 500MHz from it's original speed but on higher clock speed the IMC will become the limiting factor along heat.
yup i notice that.. but so far, the procs perform very well.. so i guess it has a 'better' memory controller.. i'll give it a try neway.. better do than nothing.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(xpentor @ Jan 29 2006, 09:06 PM)
As according to my review in order to overclock under a stock heatsink u might wanna consider to remove the IHS... but u gotta do it carefully though, try to visit my website www.xpentor.com find an article about removing it. it's well worth it. 6C difference!
i'll try them for sure once the processor warranty expired.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Bahlol @ Jan 29 2006, 08:34 PM)
raise the chipset voltage abit & set lower ram initial speed. also look at the ram 1T/2T memory timing. 2T will improve stability at high cpu clock speed with a performance penalty.

heat increase = resistance increase. better hsf will help lowering the cpu temperature and resulting better electric signal within the cpu circuitry.
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For the record, I would like to say that we should only post results if it represents an optimum/balanced setup.

Forcing the RAM to run below spec just to get high CPU core speed is not an accurate representation even if it is SP2004 stable.

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 29 2006, 09:26 PM)
For the record, I would like to say that we should only post results if it represents an optimum/balanced setup.

Forcing the RAM to run below spec just to get high CPU core speed is not an accurate representation even if it is SP2004 stable.

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thanks for the reminder but i do stated "lower ram initial speed" which is settable from the bios. the final value of the ram speed will be higher when overclocking and i do think it will come to your requirement for optimum/balanced setup as that is what most overclockers wanted.
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post Jan 29 2006, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jan 29 2006, 09:26 PM)
For the record, I would like to say that we should only post results if it represents an optimum/balanced setup.

Forcing the RAM to run below spec just to get high CPU core speed is not an accurate representation even if it is SP2004 stable.
i cant find any related between 'RAM' and 'stock A64 cooling' as the title say..
u need to change the topic if u really mean it..

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post Jan 29 2006, 11:18 PM

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raise the chipset voltage abit & set lower ram initial speed. also look at the ram 1T/2T memory timing. 2T will improve stability at high cpu clock speed with a performance penalty.


Be careful when increasing chipset voltage by 0.2v or more, make sure you have replaced the current stock HSF to a much better quality one, otherwise you will shorten the life of your mobo , the day when once u restarted the pc, it will never boot forever.
Swiftech and coolermaster blue ice are the good ones that i have used. Look for it.

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post Jan 30 2006, 03:57 AM

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QUOTE(newbieockids @ Jan 29 2006, 10:35 PM)
i cant find any related between 'RAM' and 'stock A64 cooling' as the title say..
u need to change the topic if u really mean it..
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regarding the reminder from CoffeeDude, i think he don't state enough requirement clarity at the first place. as an example i may shorten the thermal sensor on the stock fan to let it run on full speed all the time to gain lower temperature. xpentor also posted a link to a website containing article about removing IHS. all the techniques will improve overclock with stock hsf but the clarity is not there. not trying to be a bit pushy here but CoffeeDude may add extra requirement such as ram speed must run at or above rated speed for the posted result.

QUOTE(xpentor @ Jan 29 2006, 11:18 PM)
Be careful when increasing chipset voltage by 0.2v or more, make sure you have replaced the current stock HSF to a much better quality one, otherwise you will shorten the life of your mobo , the day when once u restarted the pc, it will never boot forever.
Swiftech and coolermaster blue ice are the good ones that i have used. Look for it.
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thanx a lot bro for the link. now seeking a victim to get it IHS removed.

it;s good for the owner to find an info about safe chipset voltage for their motherboard. i don't have a good experience with dfi+nforce4 chipset so i could not suggest the safe chipset voltage range for the combination. as with abit+nforce4 the manufacturer suggested value is 1.65v.

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post Jan 30 2006, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(newbieockids @ Jan 29 2006, 10:35 PM)
i cant find any related between 'RAM' and 'stock A64 cooling' as the title say..
u need to change the topic if u really mean it..
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QUOTE(Bahlol @ Jan 30 2006, 03:57 AM)
regarding the reminder from CoffeeDude, i think he don't state enough requirement clarity at the first place. as an example i may shorten the thermal sensor on the stock fan to let it run on full speed all the time to gain lower temperature. xpentor also posted a link to a website containing article about removing IHS. all the techniques will improve overclock with stock hsf but the clarity is not there. not trying to be a bit pushy here but CoffeeDude may add extra requirement such as ram speed must run at or above rated speed for the posted result.
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Well when I started this topic, I did not know anything about overclocking. I know you OC a bit using the stock HSF, but I don't know how far. That was the original purpose of this topic.

Now that this topic has become some sort of a collection of results. I would like the results to be comparable as I now know you can get higher CPU core speed by running the RAM at below spec. Therefore % gained is incorrect.

or do you people want seperate headers on the 1st post to show something like this....
Stable overclock (optimum CPU/RAM setup)
Stable overclock (Max CPU core speed)

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post Jan 30 2006, 10:11 AM

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coffeedude, i hope u include prime 95 inside the list as sp2004 is a bit problematic for some users. yes, prime 95 also has the timer when u've stopped the test, so i do hope that u include prime 95 in the list. i've used prime 95 to test my system too, and i'll upload the images to prove that it has run more than 8 hours. tq

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