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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V24, "Drive so fast for what???" EDITION

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davidke20
post Jun 18 2012, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jun 18 2012, 12:14 AM)
Found 1.3 vs 1.6 powah and torge graf here.
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TSdares
post Jun 18 2012, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:39 AM)
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Mane ade broken sleep.gif

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Take note though, this is for 1.6 and 1.3 IAFM. IAFM+ should be slightly different.
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post Jun 18 2012, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 12:43 AM)
Mane ade broken sleep.gif

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Take note though, this is for 1.6 and 1.3 IAFM. IAFM+ should be slightly different.
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Just now doesn't work wor, for 15 minutes I tried couldn't go in
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 12:33 AM)
Why la so emo? I say fender because it is easier to understand, of course the strut bar is not tied to the flimsy outer shell of the car la. If not I'll have to say "that part of chassis on the side of the engine bay behind the strut tower".

Any additional reinforcement members must be tied to the chassis, else there is no point, be it 3Max, UR, Cusco or whatever.
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i no shoot u bro. i generalize things. coz some of them mistaken ur fender as in really unto the fender. so i have to provide a clearer description which is the chasis frame, not fenders. i dun wan mis communication among knowledge that can be a flame in future. nod.gif

QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Jun 18 2012, 12:03 AM)
Ultra Racing got bulk?  whistling.gif
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UR bulk price is everywhere now. but ah..
1. not to be sarcastic, u sure u want strut bar? u not listen ur mech say it is not worth to have one?
2. u not blmclub member? not prosboc member? i tot UR bulk is available for both at the moment, just price tag haven fix.

cheers. no hard feeling bro. just curious and asked.
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post Jun 18 2012, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 18 2012, 12:52 AM)
i no shoot u bro. i generalize things. coz some of them mistaken ur fender as in really unto the fender. so i have to provide a clearer description which is the chasis frame, not fenders. i dun wan mis communication among knowledge that can be a flame in future. nod.gif
UR bulk price is everywhere now. but ah..
1. not to be sarcastic, u sure u want strut bar? u not listen ur mech say it is not worth to have one?
2. u not blmclub member? not prosboc member? i tot UR bulk is available for both at the moment, just price tag haven fix.

cheers. no hard feeling bro. just curious and asked.
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No hard feelings bro, I never tot ppl might misunderstand. Thanks for clearing it up for me smile.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 12:56 AM)
No hard feelings bro, I never tot ppl might misunderstand. Thanks for clearing it up for me  smile.gif
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someone did mis-understood, if u read back. LOL.
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post Jun 18 2012, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 18 2012, 12:57 AM)
someone did mis-understood, if u read back. LOL.
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You mean coolkwc? I think he also understood that it is tied to the chassis, but he meant that that part of the chassis is part of the crumple zone and migt not be as stiff as the firewall hmm.gif

I am not sure if that area is part of the designated crumple zone, so I cant say whether he is correct.

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post Jun 18 2012, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:39 AM)
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Opps forgot to add http:// in front blush.gif

http://epicsaga.com.my/pdf/sagafl_1.6_brochure.pdf

QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 12:43 AM)
Mane ade broken sleep.gif

Take note though, this is for 1.6 and 1.3 IAFM. IAFM+ should be slightly different.
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Thanks for the fix. The comparison was for the guy earlier who was looking at Mudah ads for a secondhand model. I'm not sure if the taxi 1.6 is the IAFM version. It probably is.

I'm pretty surprised the tork for the 1.3 IAFM is pretty flat between 2,000 and 3,000 RPM. So I guess if you want moar pulling power, forget about 3k and tekan sampai 4k RPM whistling.gif

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 12:59 AM)
You mean coolkwc? I think he also understood that it is tied to the chassis, but he meant that that part of the chassis is part of the crumple zone and migt not be as stiff as the firewall hmm.gif

I am not sure if that area is part of the designated crumple zone, so I cant say whether he is correct.
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i believe the whole saga is a crumple zone vehicle, no matter which direction, sure same effect. hmm.gif
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post Jun 18 2012, 01:10 AM

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blmclub a lot of power hungry short-fused mods...

prosboc more relaxed thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Jun 18 2012, 01:10 AM)
blmclub a lot of power hungry short-fused mods...

prosboc more relaxed  thumbup.gif
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my question did not ask about ur opinion towards both clubs pun. no one paksa u join which club or hates u over which club u join. some statements u can keep in ur mind or share among ur peers, but not in public.

just an advice to everyone, how u give a statement about something shows the maturity of ur thinking towards something. not?
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 12:59 AM)
You mean coolkwc? I think he also understood that it is tied to the chassis, but he meant that that part of the chassis is part of the crumple zone and migt not be as stiff as the firewall hmm.gif

I am not sure if that area is part of the designated crumple zone, so I cant say whether he is correct.
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I'm no structural engineer, but looking at the pic Unker Dave posted, the point where the strut attaches to the chassis is pretty close to the firewall, so even if it's part of the crumple zone it's probably rigid enough to be the mounting point. Maybe when we visit the 3Max factory for installation we can see if the designer of the FSB for Gaga is available then we ask him icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 18 2012, 01:07 AM)
i believe the whole saga is a crumple zone vehicle, no matter which direction, sure same effect. hmm.gif
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Not that taufu la hahaha

Saga chassis is stiffer than persona, but not as stiff as exora and preve. Thats not saying much, probably flex.gif
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post Jun 18 2012, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 18 2012, 01:14 AM)
my question did not ask about ur opinion towards both clubs pun. no one paksa u join which club or hates u over which club u join. some statements u can keep in ur mind or share among ur peers, but not in public.

just an advice to everyone, how u give a statement about something shows the maturity of ur thinking towards something. not?
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I can share whatever I want. Wrong or not, up to the public to debate and correct me icon_rolleyes.gif

sweat.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 01:14 AM)
Not that taufu la hahaha

Saga chassis is stiffer than persona, but not as stiff as exora and preve. Thats not saying much, probably  flex.gif
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Ha? Stiffer than persona... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 01:14 AM)
Not that taufu la hahaha

Saga chassis is stiffer than persona, but not as stiff as exora and preve. Thats not saying much, probably  flex.gif
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never knew persona was less stiffer than saga for chasis rigidity...but i tot 1.6 has to have a better chasis build-up then a 1.3? from my understanding, 1.3-1.5 is one level, then 1.6-1.8 is another level. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jun 18 2012, 01:14 AM)
I'm no structural engineer, but looking at the pic Unker Dave posted, the point where the strut attaches to the chassis is pretty close to the firewall, so even if it's part of the crumple zone it's probably rigid enough to be the mounting point. Maybe when we visit the 3Max factory for installation we can see if the designer of the FSB for Gaga is available then we ask him icon_idea.gif
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I wont worry about it. There are FSBs that tie to the front of the vehicle pun. Thats crumple zone for you!
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 01:19 AM)
I wont worry about it. There are FSBs that tie to the front of the vehicle pun. Thats crumple zone for you!
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That's one tough kelisa blink.gif
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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Jun 18 2012, 01:18 AM)
I can share whatever I want. Wrong or not, up to the public to debate and correct me  icon_rolleyes.gif

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Ha? Stiffer than persona... hmm.gif
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but from what i can sense that ur throwing a statement, not a discussion. u are providing a harsh conclusion and u are firm with ur stand. ur statement annoys certain people and u dun feel bad with that.

i might not be the right person to comment over anything. but at least a respect is required in a big forum like lyn. we dun argue to win a debate, but to work out for the solution or maybe a round conclusion which might solve our questions.
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 18 2012, 01:18 AM)
never knew persona was less stiffer than saga for chasis rigidity...but i tot 1.6 has to have a better chasis build-up then a 1.3? from my understanding, 1.3-1.5 is one level, then 1.6-1.8 is another level. hmm.gif
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nope. From economy point of view, that method is simply not feasible. Constructing and developing two different chassis with different structural rigidity for each 1.3 and 1.6 will eventually cost more than constructing and developing a single chassis which could be used for both 1.3 and 1.6.

Take the CZ9A Evo X and the current normal Lancer for instance. From the inception of the project, Mitsubishi developed the chassis from ground up for the Evo X in mind. Then they tone down on the looks, finishing and drivetrain to make it become a normal lancer. Both shares the same chassis and this in turn reduce costs and increase profitability as they can achieve a good economies of scale.
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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Jun 18 2012, 01:18 AM)
Ha? Stiffer than persona... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 18 2012, 01:18 AM)
never knew persona was less stiffer than saga for chasis rigidity...but i tot 1.6 has to have a better chasis build-up then a 1.3? from my understanding, 1.3-1.5 is one level, then 1.6-1.8 is another level. hmm.gif
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Haha, the FLX SE should have stiffer chassis lor tongue.gif

Anyway, here's the source from the Preve thread:

QUOTE(mat79 @ May 3 2012, 09:55 AM)
when i said about rigid chasis, iinm, iswara@saga based torsion n bending rigidity around 7000nm, wira based around 9000nm, waja nearly 13000nm, gen2@persona more or less the same as waja with some revision at 13000nm, satria neo at 14000nm++, savvy based such saga 17000nm, exora 18000nm and preve at 19000nm added with 12 parts hpf reinforcement that double up the strength of ahss using boron steel which is lighter than ahss. The less surge feeling not only due to engine tuning, but also chasis refinement as u can see above.
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QUOTE(mat79 @ May 3 2012, 10:02 AM)
yup,saga is stronger than waja coz waja platform is old one. U can check euroncap marks on front n side collision, compare with saga ancap frontal n side collision marks.

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