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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V24, "Drive so fast for what???" EDITION

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davidke20
post Jul 7 2012, 04:16 PM

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Having demalota fun now! Driving here & there,330km so far for today,am putting another tank and continue whacking corners! brows.gif

For Mieza, just don't expect magical effect as I mentioned. Placebo chemical too strong may actually deviate your real experience. nod.gif A good strut bar by right gave 0 different feeling(only until you start to push the limits) nod.gif

For Dares, quite confirm the power understeer drifting is caused by the rear bar. Just tested another FLX EXC with ULAR FSB, I managed to ALMOST masuk longkang only. So I guess you just need to keep the turning radius in mind, don't over action will be sufficient.

After several crazy/sohigh action with the new upgrades, I started to understand the characteristics of the new setup. This moaning when I left my house, right infront of kapak, I did the usual weekend stunt when I see my pretty neighbour washing her LBLP, I will normally bang my clutch 2.5krpm then full throttle to create a short wheel spin before the car start move, real short spin like "jit" and that's it. Normally, the car jump forward, I turn steering 2 round to left, then the car slowly get out to the road. Today, "jit" the car hop forward, I negotiate my steering and my rear wheel immediately response. It feels like they're pushing my front like a rear wheel drive! Steering turn less than 2 round and I had to quickly do correction or I'll crash into the inner side of the kapak! If u familiar with the term, my front is currently oversteer,whereas my rear is understeer. F@ckin dangerous, yet daim fun! icon_idea.gif

Now it felt more like, the RSB is the culprit that keeps on pushing me to the limit laugh.gif I'm wondering whether I obsessed for being abuse by ma kar hmm.gif I think I got the answer, Marhaihai, 3MAX FSB+RSB for Iswaga 1 set唔该。flex.gif

P/S: the above all meant NO POISON, its honest feedback as a 2nd day user of 3MAX FSB+RSB.

P/S2: after testing FLX EXC, I requested the owner to sit in mai BLM for a quickie around the shop area. After that, he trade in his ULAR immediately to the accessories shop for good 50bucks laugh.gif I think he got the wrong idea, I was showing him the difference of having RSB. May be he saw me got more point pulling the struts and thought that's why mai kar is more responsive! I refused to say what he installed later, quote Z1-yu decide. Sorry Marhaihai, he couldn't wait so I didn't contact you. He top up another 100 installed it on the spot.

P/S3: now, P/S2 is poison indeed icon_idea.gif
davidke20
post Jul 7 2012, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 7 2012, 04:31 PM)

You mean your front wanna turn in but your ass wanna go straight (basically your ass wanna go out)? So the nett effect = your car tend to oversteer?

This explains something to me, as last time Alam Damai TT with Eric (Yes, a long long time ago), he said he oversteered at a U turn. He also had the FSB and RSB like you do. I went "how the fark do you oversteer a Saga???"

Does this mean that the RSB is actually giving the effect of a rear ARB?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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It does feels like it wub.gif if you look at my photoshots, there is nothing link in the body besides of the speaker panel, a piece of black plastic cardboard shakehead.gif my first impression after RSB(before FSB) is the car already start hoping around instead of swaying everywhere.

Yes, tend to over, but it is actually under. Meaning that,during haispeed corner when you hear tyre screeching sound, you press more to menten front wheel course,whereas let the front wheel continue take the lead. If the car already turned into the correct angle, basically my steering already fully corrected to straight line can continue acceleration.

Yesterday, I was mistaken as I was so used to drift with KE20 a real rearwheel drive car. I was using all my past experience try to gain control when BLM drifting away. Regardless what I do the car is dangerous just because all the things I did was meant for a rear wheel drive car laugh.gif

All I need to do now is blardy simple, keep the speed. It will not cincai oversteer(unless a sohigh hit on the brake during haispeed corner). The corner is now like more power the marrier! Until it start to understeer, slightly tone down the gas pedal and slowly correct the steering will do. So, its basically UNDER, you never need to reverse your steering wheel.

Now, need a bigger space to simulate lose control blink.gif I haven't figured out what should I do if overspeed.
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post Jul 7 2012, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 7 2012, 09:19 PM)
Yeah the FLX does have stiffer springs and thicker front ARB. The strut bar doesn't directly affect the suspension like the ARB, but by making the chassis stiffer (especially at the strut towers, crucial point) it allows the suspension system to function better. See the Cusco video posted a few pages back? The shock absorbers have more travel with the FSB.
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I think both of u got some misunderstanding lar laugh.gif I think Huzaifa mean if its not broken, why fix it? He's happy camping in a stock FLX(which is good enough IMO)

Here is a theory I figured, you guys will have no problem with ONLY the FSB, because front ady got stabilizer pulling the tires down. If you understand what does it do when esoba travel more, meaning more bodyroll. When more bodyroll, you need sway bar to cancel it.

So, install no install FSB is solely personal preference.
davidke20
post Jul 8 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 7 2012, 10:07 PM)
BTW David, I gave your previous post some thought. So you current setup now allows you to apply more power aka more speed than before during corner without understeering, right?
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icon_idea.gif not exactly, but almost as you described. Before corner must complete all the braking,heel & toe(if you are lhwj,I can't.tried several times on my BLM jerk until I vomit). My current setup allowed me to do early acceleration because I can adjust my steering during the corner. icon_idea.gif I'd say my current setup losses some speed before cornering, but gain back a lot of apex time and acceleration when exiting corner.

The above may not applicable for ONLY FSB. Also, if you didn't push your limit during corner, you basically do not have the above effect. I suggest you go out do a few more round of crazy cornering before you install FSB only you can feel the difference.
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post Jul 8 2012, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 8 2012, 11:19 AM)
All I can do is shift to L. So exciting  sad.gif
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Think u got the idea wrong, with CVT you actually benefit more since you don't need to bang your clutch. I would say if you have the exact same setup, just hit the D & slam the corner. I believe you'll get to enjoy more than any manual/4AT cars as you can concerntrate on steering action & pedal works!
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post Jul 8 2012, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 8 2012, 02:44 PM)
Yea, but doesn't looks so "pro" lor  tongue.gif

BTW you joining us on the 14th?
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doh.gif the look... doh.gif how much does it worth with the look? I think I had enough look, such as bang my head on the a-pillar whilst getting into the car, accidently slipped whilst wiping the engine oil filter, accidently switched on wiper instead of right signal indicator doh.gif any of you observe how I drove? I always throw my 3rd from 2nd very lansily, also like to double de-clutch from 5th to 4th gear. Many times missed tongue.gif worst is there's 1 time was sending my client to her house, missed my 5th gear and heard gear rubbing sound blush.gif She were saying thought only old car have that problem tongue.gif pitty my BLM sad.gif

Might as well bite the apex well, let people from the outside envy how you did it, hai mai brows.gif

P/s: none of the weekend in July is free, not able to attend that's why went pasang 1st.

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post Jul 9 2012, 03:05 PM

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To those who cracking their head regarding cold start,

Electronic fuel injection car does not require thorough warm up during cold start, however you're advised to idle for 30 seconds to ensure entire engine being fully lubricated before you apply force.

Heat indicator bearly reflecting the temperature of your radiator tank, to boil 3 litres of coolant with idling speed will take atleast 10minutes(provided thermostat in good condition). Combustian chamber burning at 400'C, what warm up do you want? Our Campor engine uses independant electronic spark coil, unlike old carburator engine uses platinum(most are silver contact point only), that needs to warm up before it can conduct heat/electric fire power to the sparkplug properly. So, as long as your car starts, there is no need to warm up at all.

The above apply to most,if not all EFI cars. Stepping on gas pedal before engine fully lubricated will increase wear & tear on engine parts. Proper way to drive is:

1) Start the car
2) Wait for 30 seconds
3) Drive gently until temperature gauge up to normal temperature
4) Slam 9 the gas pedal & drive like a moron

My father once asked his bro(obviously another mechanic) why he drive so gentle still white smoke cumout. The answer is, left the car idle in the moaning engine will burn lazy(less compression in the combustian chamber), auto choked excess fuel unable to fully burn and create residue that resides on valve seat/lifter/valve seal, in the long run those valves will not be able to close tight anymore and lubricant gets into burning room... that's how we make our car become DBKL spray ubat nyamuk.

Therefore, drive gently until normal working temperature, after that do whatever you want. Sorry for missing in action long. Still "suffering" from the "side effect" of installing FSB+RSB icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 9 2012, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 9 2012, 06:10 PM)
Some engines like my sisters vios (zeone also say his FL do the same) do automatically rev to 1.5k when cold start, I guess it should be fine. Just dont over do it.
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My engine oso auto rev to 1.2krpm lar. That's what I mean lar, no need to step on gas. After 20-30 seconds it will back to normal, then can start driving liao, no need to bem bem bem until 2 bar 3 bar only start to drive lo. But its ok lar, since u've been doing it half a year oso no ubat nyamuk, may be you should keep doing it lor smile.gif
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post Jul 9 2012, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 9 2012, 09:41 PM)
EFI still use choke ??  blink.gif ?
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1985 1st GAGA 8valve ORION engine has been introduced by Plotong, it came with a knob hiding underneath the dashboard left to steering wheel, that's the choke lever icon_idea.gif

1989, GAGA 12valve Megavalve engine has been introduced. I was searching hai & low trying to find where is the knob I pull every morning before daddy start the car. Dad say anything can happen to Plotong, may be they forgot to put shakehead.gif (later my uncle explained to my dad the choke has been controlled by water temperature mechanism) then we know its AUTO CHOKE.

2008 GAGA BLM, Campro EFI engine has been plonked in to the new GAGA. Ofcoz EFI no longer use physical choke cable to close throttlebody lar. Choke is a flap that shuts the carburator intake, to enable fuel>air mixture, and therefore the cold sparkplug able to kick start engine without cranking half a day.

"Auto choke" has been conveniently become a common term for "rev up during cold start", so it does mean the ECU recognize the low temperature, increase ignition timing, spark coil power distribution, and also spray more petrol during cold start.
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post Jul 10 2012, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jul 10 2012, 09:14 AM)
weh, itu gantung ikan masin one I come back from penang then only install. This caturday u pasang for others first.
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The 1 infront will fried your ikan masin geh, get the 1 that can gantung at the back oso lar rclxms.gif you'll like it geh!seat your driving before, think you can extract more juice than me since u corner like you stole the car from somebody else laugh.gif
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post Jul 10 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jul 10 2012, 09:14 AM)
i want to know whether mahihi's place is far than the Esso station? because i'm only free after 2pm.
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Mahihi stay far from Esso station, will take him some trouble to go through Summit jam to get there. However, 3MAX factory is few minutes drive from Esso nia flex.gif got school around, so beehive guys(and girl-Mieza)
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post Jul 10 2012, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Jul 10 2012, 10:57 AM)
v12, do u sell 2nd hand car? or anyone can i contact?

my fren 850cc viva puteh planning to sell on next year  rolleyes.gif
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Next year only wanna sell,next year oni survey la.now survey oso no use. If u wanna sell your car can come to me. I can introduce my dealers to you, no need to worry bcoz I can't take commission due to conflict of interest, rest assure you'll get the most honest trade in price.

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