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kenji1903
post Jun 13 2012, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jun 12 2012, 12:10 PM)
Just to go shop and look for the one u like and match ur budget.
Gor for Platinum ring coz it wont fade.
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it will become greyish...


Added on June 13, 2012, 11:52 am
QUOTE(hafiez @ Jun 12 2012, 07:59 PM)
aku ingat hang gay.

btw, Tiffany & Co gooding or not?
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definitely gooding smile.gif
engagement ring with 0.2c, GVVS1 is selling at RM12k thumbup.gif
fancy wedding bands? platinum at 3mm RM8k for guys, 2mm RM7k for ladies smile.gif

bought a pair of earrings the size of black beans for RM2k doh.gif

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post Jun 14 2012, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(grehartm @ Jun 13 2012, 03:13 PM)
woww.. so damn expensive at Tiffany sweat.gif . How bout Habib Jewels and others big name outlet like poh kong n tomei.? To be honest, im not bold enough to enter this kind of outlet with small amount of budget. blush.gif
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if you're going for diamonds, go for the branded ones... Habib's Hearts on Fire, Degem's Lazare and Suen's Love diamonds... Tiffany a bit pricey but it's a Tiffany, girls jizz hearing the name tongue.gif
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post Jul 27 2012, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Zer07 @ Jul 26 2012, 02:17 PM)
i thought Tiffany & Co only selling silver??

inb4 noob here
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they have gold, white gold, rose gold, diamonds, rare gems, pearls and platinum...
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post Jul 31 2012, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(itnama @ Jul 29 2012, 09:42 PM)
Somebody bought me diamond ring less than rm1k at poh kong.
What matters is the weight and carrat. Kedai almost every kedai have the same pricing.
Unless u go to kedai in kampung or something.
Habib n poh kong in the same persatuan, thus the not much diffrrence in harga
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habib got hearts on fire range... poh kong got? smile.gif


Added on July 31, 2012, 2:47 pm
QUOTE(deodorant @ Jul 30 2012, 01:38 PM)
10k won't get you a decent sized rock in t&c, you'd need to top up a huge amount.


Added on July 30, 2012, 1:44 pm
I would be very hesitant to buy anything that isn't certifed by one of the top agencies, GIA, AGS, IGI, etc.

The problem with other certifications is that they don't necessarily have the same standards. In-house certification is the worst one, cos they can whack whatever they want.

I learnt this the hard way with my first purchase, an SK jewelry Cellistar range diamond. The in-house cert said it was "near colorless," so I assumed it was G-J equivalent on the GIA scale. Guess what, when I go and compare with other proper diamonds, it was very obviously yellow. But when I tried to fight I didn't get anywhere because SK never anywhere claimed that their "near colorless" was following the GIA scale (or AGS scale, etc). They just said "according to our in house certification standards this is near colorless," and you're screwed.

[edit] Another thing which may or may not be a consideration for you. If you ever want to sell off your ring in the future, pawn shops will not take your diamond if it doesn't have a GIA/AGS/IGI/etc cert.
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minimum must have GIA... AGS (Lazare, Hearts on Fire) and IGI (Love Diamond) a bit rare... T&Co have their own certs

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post Apr 2 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(kentLKW @ Jun 5 2013, 05:20 PM)
Ladies for sure go for Tiff & Co, Love & Co those.. well rank brand~~
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T&Co is Cartier/Bvlgari rank... Love & Co is slightly above Tomei/WahChan/Poh Kong... that's a lot of difference in brand bro sweat.gif
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post Apr 4 2014, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 4 2014, 09:32 AM)
the clarity of the diamond greatly determines the price, right? carat, not so much.

also, different labs that produce the diamond certificates, will affect the final price? like GIA, AGS, etc
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the carat size affects the price the most... big difference between a 0.9 and 1.0 carat...

depends... some labs are stricter... e.g. AGS is stricter than GIA... T&Co, IGI is between GIA and AGS
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post Apr 7 2014, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Apr 4 2014, 08:36 PM)
a bunch of stupid ignorant fools that spend money on stupid worthless stone call diamond. bodoh, just google for de beers scam diamond and read the history.

Diamonds are Forever Stupid

This blog basically serves two purposes. One, it is entertainment for me; and two, it sometimes helps people save money. More recently, however, I discovered it actually serves a third purpose, which is… three, it helps make sure that I never get laid.

And even while aware of this, with every post, I continue to shoot myself in the foot penis time and time again. I don’t know if it’s my dislike for wasting money or love for making sense, but I can’t seem to stop. Well today, I’m here to continue to dig myself into a deeper hole in order to address a topic that affects my current age group.

Diamonds, more specifically diamond engagement rings, are a waste of money.

Diamonds are kind of a f***ing scam. If you do a little bit of googling, you can find that giving diamond rings didn’t even become a tradition for marriage proposals in the United States until the late 1930’s. De Beers, a family of diamond companies (read: cartel) that pretty much monopolizes the market, launched a successful advertising campaign in 1938 to convince average Americans that they basically can’t get engaged without a diamond ring. Fast forward 75 years to the present day, and you can see that we are now all programmed to associate our success with how expensive of a ring we can afford.

This was strategically done through De Beer’s ingenious marketing tactics. Have you ever heard of the 4 C’s? Color, clarity, cut and carat right? Who do you think invented that? Yes, it was De Beers, the diamond company with a surplus of smaller diamonds that was trying to break the “bigger is better” consumer mentality. Here are the directions they provided on every ad: “Ask about color, clarity, and cutting — for these determine a diamond’s quality, contribute to its beauty and value. Choose a fine stone, and you’ll always be proud of it, no matter what its size.”

How much money should I spend on a diamond ring? Oh, don’t you worry; De Beers has that part covered for us as well. They recommend two months’ salary. Yes, the company selling you the diamond is also helping you budget how much money you should spend on it. Their slogan asks: “Isn’t two months’ salary a small price to pay for something that lasts forever?” The answer is no. f*** no, it is not.

It’s actually kind of insane. They’ve basically made it a social norm for us to completely overspend on something that is completely unproductive. And we’ve eaten it right up. Just imagine if you proposed to your girlfriend today with a diamond ring you bought for something you could very easily afford. You’d probably be scared of coming off as a dickhead to her friends and family right? My god… and what would other people think when she takes a picture of it and posts it online?

Anyways, let’s do some math.

Let’s say Bob is 28 years old and is ready to take the next step with his girlfriend, Jill. Bob is financially responsible and does very well for himself. Bob loves Jill and wants to give her an engagement ring fancy enough to prove it. He makes $100,000 a year and wants to spend about $12,000 – $15,000 on a ring for his fiancé to be. Jill expects this because that’s a little less than 2 months’ salary.

Keep in mind that Bob, alone, has an income in the top 80%ile of American households. Let’s break down his finances:

On a 100k salary, after tax (~25%) and 401k (5%), on a monthly basis, Bob sees about $5,800.

Here is a list of his Monthly expenses:

Car: $300
Rent/Utilities: $1,500
Student loans: $200
Health insurance: $150
Car insurance: $70
Long term investments: $200
Food/Alcohol/Going out: $2,000
Random expenses (buying things, vacation, ect.): $200
Total expenses: $4,620

So after expenses, Bob is able to put away ~$1,200 in cash every month. Keep in mind, Bob is practicing self-control and not blowing money left and right, but at the same time, he is living a rather comfortable lifestyle. At this rate, Bob is able to save ~$14,500 in a year.

After just a year of saving he managed to afford that beautiful ring for Jill. Now they can get married and live happily ever after right?

No. Actually, f*** no. In reality, this is absolutely irrational. We are talking about an entire year of savings. That’s 365 days of hard work and self-control. Why in the world would he spend an entire year of savings on a piece of jewelry that literally does nothing but “show” their love, and more importantly, impress other people (read: her friends)? The ring can literally do nothing except get looked at.

Also, they are about to start a new life together. They need to be saving money for the future of their family. More immediately, they need money for their wedding and down payment on a house. How is Bob supposed to afford this if he just dropped a year’s worth of savings on a ring? “What if the parents help out?” Eh, I guess that is a possibility, but that is another story. The ring that Jill will be flaunting to her friends would actually be bought by Bob’s dad, not Bob. Their parents might also help with their wedding or down payment on a house, but then by definition, this means that Bob and Jill are no longer living within their means. And, when does this stop? The problem at hand here is that there is a large disconnect between Bob’s and Jill’s expectations of the diamond they think they can afford and their reality.

Anyways, let’s get back on topic. You might say “Oh, but diamonds are rare and have a really good resale value.” Shut up. They aren’t and they don’t. If diamonds were so rare, why would almost every household in America own at least one? Diamonds are a horrible investment because they aren’t actually rare. De Beers basically controls the prices of diamonds by controlling the supply. They literally sit on their supply to drive prices up. Also, the retailer markup on diamonds is about 100% to 200%, which means, if they were to buy back your diamond from you they would have to significantly undercut you, thus proving that diamonds aren’t a good investment, which was one of their selling points. It has been reported that diamonds generally resell for about 25% of the original cost.

Realistically speaking, De Beers already got us. They’ve started a tradition that has already been engrained into our society. Most likely, you won’t be telling your girlfriend that the whole country has been tricked and now she won’t be getting a diamond ring when you propose. But maybe there is some common middle ground you can reach. Scientists have actually been able to create diamonds in labs that are so similar to natural made diamonds it is practically impossible to tell the difference (not CZ). And since these diamonds were made in a lab, they are completely flawless, unlike real diamonds which naturally have imperfections. Additionally, these diamonds are a lot more affordable and provide the same value, which is basically only means they look equally as pretty.

I’m not exactly sure about how girls would react to this idea, but it is kind of hard to make the argument to spend exceedingly more money on something that is basically exactly the same. The tradition was essentially made up to profit off of you, you won’t be reselling the diamond, nobody can tell the difference between man-made and natural diamonds, and real diamonds don’t even last forever (which is why it’s supposed to represent your marriage right?).

There’s really nothing that could rationally argue in favor of spending more money on a natural diamond besides the fact that natural diamonds are more expensive and therefore worth more. When it comes down to it, I think that is what diamonds are truly about. It is just another way for people to outwardly, yet classily, express their success and worth. It allows the man to show how much money he can afford to throw away on a rock that is only expensive because the seller tells him it is. Meanwhile, it gives the woman satisfaction in showing the world that her new life partner is someone who will be capable of providing for them. Yeah, you can argue it represents love and commitment or whatever too, but that doesn’t explain why people are pressured by society to overspend on it. I think this is a cultural, behavioral and maybe even an educational problem more than anything; because, if you really think about it, diamonds are kind of really stupid.

http://iamhellacheap.com/diamonds-are-forever-stupid/
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good read, good history but...

it's always a choice when buying luxury accessories... no one's pointing a gun at your head telling you to buy... or what 4C combo to buy...

its entirely up to you and how well you know your other half... that blog's web address describes the blogger very well...
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post Apr 8 2014, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Apr 8 2014, 12:15 PM)
0.5c in wah chan i think would cost from rm6xxx to rm8xxx depending on quality.. i got mine there as well... But wedding band bought from TSL a brand name from hk.. have to wait for 3 months summore.  blink.gif
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i bought a pendant for my wife at TSL, workmanship not bad... another HK company is ChowTaiFook at Pavilion...

funny i didn't noticed that many TSLs in HK... darn a lot of LukFook and ChowTaiFook though...
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QUOTE(acidstar @ Jul 14 2014, 08:05 AM)
just bought a certified diamond with casing at habib. but, when i back home, i tot the cert is GIA, turn out is The Royal Diamonds which i google it up i can't find any info about the royal diamonds. and the website that they provide in the cert also not available. should i just return the ring?
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royal diamonds sounds like a brand? though i've never heard about it before, by right it should still be certified by a gemologist like GIA, AGS, etc

mind posting the cert here? you may censor the serial and other irrelevant info
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post Jul 14 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(acidstar @ Jul 14 2014, 02:22 PM)
Here bro.

TIA
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wow... this is something new... and you're right... there's nothing about this company at all sweat.gif

maybe you can try bringing it back to Habib and ask them to prove the authenticity of the diamond
try adding that you suspect that its a fake cert... not sure if it will work bro, give it a try, good luck...
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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Sep 30 2014, 03:34 PM)
Do you really think your gf can tell the difference between a F VS1 EX/EX/EX from Wah Chan and a F VS 1 EX/EX/EX from Tiffany?

Also take note that Tiffany might charge you 100% more for the same size. I'm just comparing from the posts above:
Eunayco's (never heard of them, but if they have GIA cert should be fine)
.50ct / F / VS2/ 3Ex / None / price @ RM6,800

VS

Tiffany
0.4 H VS2 RM 12k+

Would your gf really prefer a smaller 0.40 carat from Tiffany that is 2x more expensive than a 0.50 from Eunayco?

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Set a budget for yourself, then buy the best diamond you can for that budget. Don't look at brands, look at the gem itself.
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general public can't even tell a zircon vs a real diamond let alone 2 diamonds from different brands...

girls just dig the blue box and if they know T&Co... they definitely can tell a normal ring vs T&Co's signature 6 claws tongue.gif
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post Nov 10 2014, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Curiouzz @ Nov 9 2014, 04:53 PM)
Agreed with you. The design is ugly and outdated.
My bf bought me a diamond pendant some time ago and the hole is so tiny. small  until like threading a needle....
Their design is old and outdated. I like tiffany&co, habib and wan chan but not d&p and degem diamond. Service suck as well...
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degem's lazare diamonds are very highly rated
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 18 2016, 07:25 PM)
I just saw this thread and I wanna rant out a little. We all know diamonds are practically useless and I am planning to ask for a hand in marriage next year. had that "talk"  with her to gauge what she wants and she keeps on saying a diamond ring.

fml. it's not the price or money I have the trouble it's the damn worthlessness of it. why would anyone spend 15k on something that cannot be sold.

rant over.
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to be frank... most of the time spending money is just to keep your other half happy... if the request is not to overboard, just do it...

you don't want it to come back and haunt you and be a topic of argument after marriage, its not worth it

and not everything has investment value... especially accessories...

but you can try asking her if she wants a watch if you are splurging 15k, it makes more sense tongue.gif
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post Jun 23 2016, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 23 2016, 12:34 PM)
you guys make it sound like your wives are land mines. damn this is scary.
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not only wives... during an argument, a person will bring up all valid/invalid strong points in order to win regardless the outcome, its human nature laugh.gif

p.s. the last thing you want to do is to add another point for them to bring up laugh.gif

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