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 Proton Prevé V11, Place where facts are shared, not hatred

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SUSOptiplex330
post Jun 14 2012, 10:04 PM

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I have driven the Bold and Preve. Preve has better road holding but less responsive than Bold. I prefer Bold.

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post Jun 15 2012, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Dark Adam @ Jun 15 2012, 11:00 AM)
i was in my boss camry 2.0 many time.. i can tell u the cvt sound is clearly can notice (same as preve).. the door trim and dashboard maybe is better material la..
Camry 2.0 got CVT?

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post Jun 15 2012, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Dark Adam @ Jun 15 2012, 02:22 PM)
yup agreed... change the whole engine... remain the same chassis.. manufacturing environment is normal for that to happen..
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Engine is less expensive than chassis.

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post Jun 15 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 15 2012, 02:26 PM)
How can stamp the same engine number? If Proton needs to trace, then will have duplicate record of two engines with the same number roll off the factory on different time/date... blink.gif

On the other hand, once engine is replaced and noted in the geran, resale value will go down the drain  doh.gif
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Can. Been there. Done that. Just need endorsement on registration card with new engine number.

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post Jun 16 2012, 10:08 AM

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So does this CFE engine uses roller tappet?

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post Jun 16 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(maverickng @ Jun 16 2012, 10:19 AM)
5 litres?is 4 litres....not 5
where u service?small dealer sc cant solve claiming item...need go PE sc
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I thing I notice with Malaysian mechanic. They always like to fill BEYOND the maximum mark on the dipstick. So while the manual says 4 liter, they may want to put in more than 4 liter?

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post Jun 16 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(speed2horizon @ Jun 16 2012, 10:59 AM)

Things with turbocharging. Over oil pressure can cause turbo seals to worn off and causes sluggishness to the engine. When the pistons goes down, it needs to counter the pressure cause by the oil vapor formation.
Well, there are a lot of new abreviation I need to get used to...



Added on June 16, 2012, 11:02 am

I put 34psi.

I received my car with extreme high pressure. Felt bouncy and car was jumping on humbs.

Went for bleed at petrol station and notice it was abt 60psi... God... Amacam ini buleh berlaku...???
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2 common mistakes I find our mechanic doing:
1. Over filling the engine with engine oil to above the "MAX" dipstick mark
2. Over inflating the tires.

I just don't understand.... rclxub.gif
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post Jun 16 2012, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(speed2horizon @ Jun 16 2012, 12:45 PM)
Yes... Stress on the tyre wall would highly increase.
Especially when those ppl whom collect their car and go on a long journey out station, balik kampung etc. the heat in the tyre will increase the pressure in the tyre and sufficient to explode the tyre.

Imagine mine was 60psi. 20% up on a journey to Penang wil make it 70-80psi...
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You got it the wrong way around. Generally speaking, an under-inflated tires will heat up more. An over-inflated tires will heat up less.




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post Jun 16 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(G K Lai @ Jun 16 2012, 02:21 PM)
I am more afraid if we drive an overinflated tyres' car to Genting or Cameron Highlands.
If you brought potato chips up there, the packaging bag will expand like hell, then how's our overinflated tyres?  shocking.gif
Many thanks for the detailed review!  nod.gif
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I don't think 40psi would have much to worry about anything popping. Instead, I am more worried about reduced road holding traction at tight corner going downhill due to excessively high tire pressure.

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post Jun 16 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(Rick Federer @ Jun 16 2012, 03:07 PM)
Don't forget the tyre pressure goes up when it's hot while you are on a long journey.
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A properly inflated tires on long journey may have it's pressure increase by 2 or 3psi at most and more or less stay that way for the rest of the journey. Nothing to worry about.


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post Jun 16 2012, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(speed2horizon @ Jun 16 2012, 05:30 PM)
Yeah... a properly inflated tyre... But mine was near to 60psi...
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If that is the case, your false teeth would start falling out by now from all the harsh rides.

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post Jun 16 2012, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(FenomX @ Jun 16 2012, 08:17 PM)

Ans: Unplug the supercharge from the Audi and enjoy even more sluggishness issue. Audi is an innovation automotive company. Their quattro engine is well known because they use the turbo for pickup and later on use the supercharge for top speed. Did you know that the quattro engine in R8 consist of 2 turbos unit and 2 supercharger? Of course there will be no sluggish issue when you can have so much torque and HP that overcome the weight of your car in the very beginning.
Are you sure? I would have thought the reverse is true

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post Jun 16 2012, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(FenomX @ Jun 16 2012, 09:07 PM)
For street applications, blower sizing is as important a consideration as turbo sizing. A small blower works better at low speed and develops power more quickly than a large one. A large blower is great for top end power, but isn't as well suited to lower rpm operation because of its greater power burden on the engine.

One of the most important advantages of supercharging street engines is that it can transform a relatively stock motor into a real performer without a lot of expensive modifications. Supercharging can be a straight bolt-on installation, and it works well with stock heads, cams and pistons. What's more, it delivers better low speed throttle response and torque than a naturally aspirated engine with a big carburetor, big valves, high compression and "hot" cam.

Dyno tests have shown that a blower can be much more "streetable" than a naturally aspirated engine that's been built up to deliver an equivalent level of power. A blown engine is more streetable because it performs better at low rpms. A blower kit may cost several hundred dollars more to install than what it would take in equivalent engine modifications to obtain the same level of performance with a bigger carburetor or throttle body, hotter cam and modified heads. But the blown engine will deliver about 10% more power and torque in the lower speed ranges where it does the most good on the street. Besides that, a blown street motor looks great.

The ultimate in performance, of course, is achieved by building a motor specifically for the blower. Using a "blower" cam that optimizes the breathing characteristics of the blower can improve both low speed torque and high speed power. A long duration cam with a lot of overlap isn't good with a blower because the boost pressure goes in the intake valve and right out the exhaust port at low speed. What works best is a cam with little overlap, a lot of lift and duration but more lift and duration on the exhaust valves (since the blower does nothing to help evacuate the cylinders). With a turbocharged engine, more lift and duration is needed on the intake valve to prevent backpressure (created by the turbo) from backing up into the cylinder.

One caution to keep in mind with any kind of forced induction system is compression. Because of the extra air and fuel that's rammed into the cylinders, detonation can become a problem if compression gets out of hand. Most blown engines work best with a static compression ratio of less than 8:1 (7:1 or 7.5: 1 is best). The lower the static compression ratio, the higher the boost pressure you can safely run with the blower and the lower the rpm range at which the blower can develop peak torque.

The typical boost provided by either a turbocharger or a supercharger is 6 to 8 pounds per square inch (psi). Since normal atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi at sea level, you can see that you are getting about 50-percent more air into the engine. Therefore, you would expect to get 50-percent more power. It's not perfectly efficient, though, so you might get a 30-percent to 40-percent improvement instead. ­

The key difference between a turbocharger and a supercharger is its power supply. Something has to supply the power to run the air compressor. In a supercharger, there is a belt that connects directly to the engine. It gets its power the same way that the water pump or alternator does. A turbocharger, on the other hand, gets its power from the exhaust stream. The exhaust runs through a turbine, which in turn spins the compressor

There are tradeoffs in both systems. In theory, a turbocharger is more efficient because it is using the "wasted" energy in the exhaust stream for its power source. On the other hand, a turbocharger causes some amount of back pressure in the exhaust system and tends to provide less boost until the engine is running at higher RPMs. Superchargers are easier to install but tend to be more expensive.

Edit: Source @ Schmidt, Third year engineering student in Oxford Brookes University.
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AFAIK, at low engine rpm, there aren't enough exhaust gas energy to work the turbo charger so typically, turbo charger work at higher rpm or later stage of the power band or when car already moving at higher speed.

On the other hand, supercharge typically work at lower engine rpm aka, car moving from standstill or initial pickup.

This is contrary to what you said earlier "turbo for pickup and later on use the supercharge for top speed"
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post Jun 18 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Blizzard12 @ Jun 18 2012, 02:27 PM)
Waah..why my 1st svc cost me rm221.30?? Using fully syn shell 5W 40? Is dat normal? Coz I also didnt choose d engine oil..
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I don't know what sort of engine you people are using but the Bold CFE manual (page 127) CLEARLY said you must not use 5w40. Or may be nowadays nobody bother to read manual anymore, not even SC.

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post Jun 18 2012, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jun 18 2012, 04:39 PM)
Syntium 5000 SM 0W-30
Syntium 5000 SM 0W-40
Syntium 3000 SAE 5W-40
Syntium 1000 SM 15W-50
Syntium 800 SM 5W-30
SYNTIUM 800 SM 10W-40

so which one is your engine cup of oil?
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According to the car manual, only the one in Red can be used. The rest, can't.


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post Jun 18 2012, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(Dark Adam @ Jun 18 2012, 04:45 PM)
in invoice they state : syntium 800 10w/30

is this the correct oil for my preve?
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I thought Syntium800 should be 5w30? But you are not suppose to use 5W30.

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post Jun 18 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(kiapreve @ Jun 18 2012, 05:18 PM)
Currently using Syntium 1000 SM 15W-50, feel that the car still heavy.
May be going to change to SYNTIUM 800 SM 10W-40 this coming 5K services to how good is the car performance.

I remember, someone told me that SYNTIUM 800 SM 10W-40 [COLOR=red] would be better than 1000 SM 15W-50[COLOR=red] in terms of performance and fuel efficiency.
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The best in term of protection and fuel economy is 10W30. Period.

10w40 give you similar protection but poorer fuel economy. 15W50 even worst fuel economy. Learn to read and understand the number because it already telling you a lot without even having to try them out.



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post Jun 18 2012, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jun 18 2012, 06:07 PM)

About engine oil, iinm, prtn recommend 10w 30 mean that sae is atleast sae 30 rating. Whether 5w 30, 0w 30,it is the same sae 30. The diff is the winter grade. That why its call multigrade oil.
Go read your car manual oil chart. It's telling you 'no' for some unknown reasons.


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post Jun 18 2012, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jun 18 2012, 11:13 PM)
SL is older than SM...
Generally speaking: SM is better for the environment. SL is better for the car.

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post Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Jun 18 2012, 07:16 PM)

Regarding this 5k or 10k, we really need to find someone who can truly show us the light at what mileage should we have our next service. IMO, it really depend on the car usage itself like what has been stated in the service booklet. If you're an everyday driving your car 60-70km to work, I believe u should fall to "Severe Driving Service Schedule" and vice versa. My 1k Service Advisor told me that BTW.
It is clearly written in the car manual. Have you read it?

Smooth driving 60-70km a day is NOT considered "Severe". Stuck in traffic jam is called "Severe".



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