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post Jun 12 2012, 01:02 PM

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i seriously think the break in engine is valid because my car can easily hit 160km/h now compare to last time which is before my first SC.

of course sakit hati when i open my wallet and pump petrol.
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post Jun 12 2012, 01:02 PM

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i seriously think the break in engine is valid because my car can easily hit 160km/h now compare to last time which is before my first SC.

of course sakit hati when i open my wallet and pump petrol.
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post Jun 14 2012, 10:33 AM

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walao v11 already!!
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post Jun 14 2012, 06:17 PM

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Just got my car bang by a newbie driver, was driving behind her when jam, she drove out from the parking like a boss without noticing me behind her, bang and turn some more.

damage: Fender and bumper, chasis not affected since slow impact.

Cost, fender Rm171, bumper RM455, painting RM600 x 2, workmanship Rm300. total MYR2093. (rough figure but totla is 2093)

i don't scold her at all since cosmetic part affected only. Newbie driver i give you chance, kena my chasis i hunt you down then.

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post Jun 14 2012, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Jun 14 2012, 06:21 PM)
Bro, long time no see and when u popped up always with a story..

SO did she pay u or did uclaim insurance bro?
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picture included, not story ;(

ya, she paid all because i went to the COE with her then she called her dad. They apology to me sincerely and i feel it so i forgive them, just pay for the bill and i act like nothing. After all cosmetic part only ma. Chasis, suspension everything alright.

FYI, the bodywork fella told me this.

INI PREVE YOU JANGAN LANGGAR ITU DEPAN LOGO, itu benda 1.5K. The chrome thinggy. Front light cost you 1k.

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post Jun 14 2012, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(redflame @ Jun 14 2012, 06:24 PM)
Ouch...sorry to hear that bro... doh.gif
bumper...u change the whole bumper or got it re-shaped?
Even i oso sakit ati reading your story...

Newbie driver, huh...a girl, i assume...  tongue.gif
And u got her number?
Maybe TT with her soon?  brows.gif  brows.gif

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Just saw the pic...it hurts even more...arrrggghhhh doh.gif  doh.gif
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hhaha, change the whole new bumper of course ;D
now driving persona given by her dad cause need to wait max 2 weeks to get my car back ;P


Added on June 14, 2012, 6:28 pm
QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jun 14 2012, 06:25 PM)
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Today also nearly accident. One bloody Honda City go stick so close to my lane side by side me until our side mirror cling on each other. Dahlah tak bagi signal. -.-

Feels like throwing out my size 17 spannar but this morning mood quite good and somemore only side mirror so takpelah, bagi dia lepas after I give him a "poadah" sign.
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now i phobia sticker "P"

anyway i saw 2 black box after took off the bumper, the bodywork fella told me that is anti-collision bar something like that, to absorb the collision, MYR800 for that thing, but after al i ask for future reference only, my part is bumper and fender.

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post Jun 14 2012, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(torres09 @ Jun 14 2012, 06:31 PM)
Just admit shes hawt la....
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i'm not sure what do you think? i took this when i went to her house to get my car, so i just simply took her picture for future reference.

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post Jun 14 2012, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jun 14 2012, 06:34 PM)
eh bro, your right wheels sure no problem? hmm lucky

wow this is expensive - painting RM600 x 2
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ya x2 for the fender and bumper. (i don't get it why not just pain straight away?)

ya went and inspect the whole car, wheel no problem, it is slightly left because my steering wasn't straight. ;D
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post Jun 14 2012, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(maverickng @ Jun 14 2012, 06:35 PM)
i feel u bro...
btw...my depan logo calar and front grill crack already due to yesterday nite accident...1.5k sweat.gif
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omg, now i hope the fella no con job me and scare me away, he told me the whole thing is roughly 1k, later on plus this plus that around 1.2 to 1.5.
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post Jun 14 2012, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(redflame @ Jun 14 2012, 06:37 PM)
I hate you so much right nowwwww~~~~~  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
Hahahaha...
I can sense that most probably everybody will line up behind her car just to bang her...  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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fixed.


Added on June 14, 2012, 6:40 pm
QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jun 14 2012, 06:36 PM)
user posted image

phobia me also? tongue.gif
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why access denied by my uni internet, hmmmm brows.gif

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post Jun 14 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jun 14 2012, 06:41 PM)
apa stupid uni block photobucket ni... -.-

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10 miles distance away from V12.

BTW my side mirror kena that day and straight away cannot flipped back, then i use my hand and hard push it, now working like a charm can flip and close automatically now, WTF? thanks god or an actual proof of improvement in QC?


Added on June 14, 2012, 6:43 pm
QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jun 14 2012, 06:41 PM)
only fender and bumper cost rm600 each for paint?

blood sucker like a boss
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fixed.

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post Jun 14 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jun 14 2012, 06:44 PM)
like that also works?
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yap, me no idea, seriously work like a charm, no abnormal sound or whatsoever, even after inspection, they said nothing happened and even ask me you usre ada kena langgar, like i dunno =.=
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post Jun 14 2012, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jun 14 2012, 06:56 PM)
aiyo. i so happy when i saw fenomx. thought wan to ask about the progress of prevoc website. but he come with bad news. nvrmind then...
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JANGAN WORRY, BABEH TONIGHT I'M YOURS. JUST PM ME.

BATT FINISHING.
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post Jun 14 2012, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Jun 14 2012, 06:50 PM)
Ok, noted on this
That is the sign my brothers.. That is the sign... (That the father wants Fenom as his Son in Law edy...)
I think u just traded in ur preve with persona+her.. tongue.gif
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I REALLY WOULDN'T MIND FOR THIS TRADE.

SORRY FOR CAPS, IM SPEAKING THE TRUTH.
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post Jun 14 2012, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Jun 14 2012, 06:57 PM)
I think she's also a silent reader here in LYN and knows that our Fenom has lawyers as friends... IMHO
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because she bang me i need to bang her back?

effective infront the judge or not? if yes, i really don't mind proceeding legal case. icon_idea.gif
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post Jun 16 2012, 08:12 PM

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Anyone of you feel the car vibration when it is idle?
unlike those vibration, this one it feels like wanted to move but hesitating.

not "breeeeeeeeeee" or whatsoever, it's like heartbeat tempo sort of. No vibrating sound just the heartbeat when N mode and handbrake are pulled.
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post Jun 16 2012, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(edwinkbs @ Jun 16 2012, 08:13 PM)
how's ur car lately? Still good?  thumbup.gif
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still under servicing blush.gif


Added on June 16, 2012, 8:34 pmAnyway, my friend who studied engineering in automotive in the UK told me this. based on his driving review and knowledge after touching so many cars in his profession fields.

Design:
The car is designed based on aerodynamic. Many had asked why such high boots the height of the rear is ridiculously annoying as i can't see the rear windscreen and hard to reverse my car.

Ans: In motorsport, the lower the better due to gravity force. But let's bear in mind you are driving a sedan car on a normal road with heavy traffic or unstable flow of traffic, when you are in the highway, emergency brakes could occur and based on the aerodynamic design, it could helps to stop the car faster because it is blocking the wind and never let it flow. The different between motorsport is that, they are using a much better braking system which the cost is not compatible with a sedan car.

I kinda agree with your preve design because it look's like a coupe but inside it is a sedan car. This is kind of performance sedan car.

Fuel Charge:
You'll have to forward this to proton as i am not sure how the campro engine works, but based on your vehicle FC, this is a problem. The turbo unit in your car is so small that it is actually for you to save the fuel and faster acceleration. It uses the air to push the car with the combinations of your fuel. [he didn't go into technical part as he expected me not to know anything which is true]

sluggish issue:
This is extremely normal since you only have a turbo unit. It has been a disease in our field which there is no solution but alternative way of making it better. I know you are going to ask me why the audi car they don't have the sluggish issues but why proton?

Ans: Unplug the supercharge from the Audi and enjoy even more sluggishness issue. Audi is an innovation automotive company. Their quattro engine is well known because they use the turbo for pickup and later on use the supercharge for top speed. Did you know that the quattro engine in R8 consist of 2 turbos unit and 2 supercharger? Of course there will be no sluggish issue when you can have so much torque and HP that overcome the weight of your car in the very beginning.

any questions you want me to ask him faster tell me ;P

see if he could answer you but his profession is motorsport not really into automotive sedan.

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post Jun 16 2012, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 16 2012, 08:58 PM)
Are you sure? I would have thought the reverse is true
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For street applications, blower sizing is as important a consideration as turbo sizing. A small blower works better at low speed and develops power more quickly than a large one. A large blower is great for top end power, but isn't as well suited to lower rpm operation because of its greater power burden on the engine.

One of the most important advantages of supercharging street engines is that it can transform a relatively stock motor into a real performer without a lot of expensive modifications. Supercharging can be a straight bolt-on installation, and it works well with stock heads, cams and pistons. What's more, it delivers better low speed throttle response and torque than a naturally aspirated engine with a big carburetor, big valves, high compression and "hot" cam.

Dyno tests have shown that a blower can be much more "streetable" than a naturally aspirated engine that's been built up to deliver an equivalent level of power. A blown engine is more streetable because it performs better at low rpms. A blower kit may cost several hundred dollars more to install than what it would take in equivalent engine modifications to obtain the same level of performance with a bigger carburetor or throttle body, hotter cam and modified heads. But the blown engine will deliver about 10% more power and torque in the lower speed ranges where it does the most good on the street. Besides that, a blown street motor looks great.

The ultimate in performance, of course, is achieved by building a motor specifically for the blower. Using a "blower" cam that optimizes the breathing characteristics of the blower can improve both low speed torque and high speed power. A long duration cam with a lot of overlap isn't good with a blower because the boost pressure goes in the intake valve and right out the exhaust port at low speed. What works best is a cam with little overlap, a lot of lift and duration but more lift and duration on the exhaust valves (since the blower does nothing to help evacuate the cylinders). With a turbocharged engine, more lift and duration is needed on the intake valve to prevent backpressure (created by the turbo) from backing up into the cylinder.

One caution to keep in mind with any kind of forced induction system is compression. Because of the extra air and fuel that's rammed into the cylinders, detonation can become a problem if compression gets out of hand. Most blown engines work best with a static compression ratio of less than 8:1 (7:1 or 7.5: 1 is best). The lower the static compression ratio, the higher the boost pressure you can safely run with the blower and the lower the rpm range at which the blower can develop peak torque.

The typical boost provided by either a turbocharger or a supercharger is 6 to 8 pounds per square inch (psi). Since normal atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi at sea level, you can see that you are getting about 50-percent more air into the engine. Therefore, you would expect to get 50-percent more power. It's not perfectly efficient, though, so you might get a 30-percent to 40-percent improvement instead. ­

The key difference between a turbocharger and a supercharger is its power supply. Something has to supply the power to run the air compressor. In a supercharger, there is a belt that connects directly to the engine. It gets its power the same way that the water pump or alternator does. A turbocharger, on the other hand, gets its power from the exhaust stream. The exhaust runs through a turbine, which in turn spins the compressor

There are tradeoffs in both systems. In theory, a turbocharger is more efficient because it is using the "wasted" energy in the exhaust stream for its power source. On the other hand, a turbocharger causes some amount of back pressure in the exhaust system and tends to provide less boost until the engine is running at higher RPMs. Superchargers are easier to install but tend to be more expensive.

Edit: Source @ Schmidt, Third year engineering student in Oxford Brookes University.

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post Jun 16 2012, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jun 16 2012, 09:16 PM)
quattro actually refer to their (Audi) AWD system, and has nothing to do with the engine.

and the R8 in the context is the R8 as in the car in Ironman movie or the R8 which is a race-only prototype?
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yes, Quattro is refering to the AWD system which means All Wheel Drive system which is based on the Lamborghini Gallardo platform. In their quattro engines, there are certain builts up for the demands in certain motorsport department.

one of the most obvious is the R8 Coupé 5.2 FSI quattro, which consist of twin turbo engine, however, the ideal of having both were soon diminished before it get to the production line as claimed by the audi engineers that the designed flow could caused overheating issues.

the one with twin turbo was Audi C6 RS 6 5.0 TFSI quattro

remember, we are talking about the concept of turbocharger and supercharger and how audi used them in their quattro engine not about what is quattro engine.

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post Jun 16 2012, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 16 2012, 09:21 PM)
AFAIK, at low engine rpm, there aren't enough exhaust gas energy to work the turbo charger so typically, turbo charger work at higher rpm or later stage of the power band or when car already moving at higher speed.

On the other hand, supercharge typically work at lower engine rpm aka, car moving from standstill or initial pickup.

This is contrary to what you said earlier "turbo for pickup and later on use the supercharge for top speed"
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due to its engine compartment in audi or quattro, audi used it to twist for a better utilization for their quattro engine. Remember, this is the concept, not an actual theory which it works in their engine and gave them the rewards of best engine for efficiency in its class.

because of sluggish issue which audi do not want it to happen, they used their own concept to solve it. Innovation is their key in becoming successful in the automotive industry.

EDIT: REMEMBER, i am providing the answer based on my friend's explanation. Going out soon, i reply everyone of you later. Peace wink.gif

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