Just finished watching the Germany vs Portugal (a pretty insipid match) and split screen viewing the
unfriendly & truly top class match between Brazil vs Argentina.


Marcello and Lavezzi were sent off to end what was an exciting thriller by Messi's hattrick.

Messi last goal is reminiscent of what a truly great WC player (ala Maradona) should be. Taking the match by the scruff of the neck. Single-handedly bootstrapped Argentina to a 4-3 victory over the Brazilians..

Thus convinced me completely that he is the One.

On the other hand; side by side (literally) in comparison CR7 was a no show i.e. he is a one trick pony IM(honest)O or showboat . CR7 can be contained by a superior athletic (faster, stronger and quicker) footballer & yes he was boated or in BOATeng's pocket the whole match.


Yes -he is the No. 1 right now. Against the Brazilians. Wow!

Can someone post the youtube video of the match highlights here please.

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Jun 10 2012, 06:02 AM

lionel messi is a good player

This post has been edited by 99killer: Jun 10 2012, 06:29 AM

freaky amazing!

i can accept if he doing the run from mid to team like getafe, but do this to brazil before drive the ball to the top corner is insane, that what happen when they field the player from the other planet

Messi 's 3rd goal is a joke

Trust me, he wouldn't score so many goals if play in premier league..

agreed.

to see Messi dribble like that, kesian wei the Brazilian defender. he must be crapping his pants macam apa.

Argentina, I have to say, have the potential to go far, with a scary strike force of Messi, Aguero, Tevez and co.

but Messi is let down by some serious slack in the defensive and goalkeeping department.

same goes to Brazil. gone are the days of Cafu and co. in defence, with Dida/Julio Cesar between the sticks./

ini team under 23 brazil. jangan panik

Yes their attack is amazing but what about their GK, defense and midfield?
It's useless!
They won't go far just by having 4 world class strikers.

Before Messi started his hattricks since last week, he lacked goals because he played deeper in order to help out the midfield. But he was always criticized for not scoring.
This usually come from people who dont actually watch the match but only look at the result and goals.
Messi used to create bucket loads of chances only for his team mates to squander chance after chance even thouse that Messi put on a silver platter.

Brazil on the other hand has a chance to go far.
They are balanced and young and pretty good.

You're right. Especially the defense and midfielder.. most of them from Brazilian league and very young and lacking experience.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/match/80434/arge...il/lineup-stats

Not to say, Messi isn't phenomenal, he is. But if anything it's those Brazilian kids should be proud that they were able to push Argentinian to the limit.

both of the team creating a new squad for world cup..so nothing is certain yet..but messi still the best out there...maybe messi main rival not CR7 but with Neymar..

brazil olympic squad.

no such thing as creating new squad for world cup

olympic can include 3 seniors.

the talents of brazilian is HUGE..no way they're going to create 'new squad'

his 3rd goal, b4 u knew he took that shot..the ball is already in the back of the net
it was just that fast

he keep things so simple and direct, nth fancy like ronaldo...but he execute it lyka boss

This! Remember Chelsea?
Wait till he face Sunderland..Stoke..Birmingham..etc..

..but anyway..still no 1 currently

project 'brazil 2014' already begun since the end of the last world cup..that is why the most brazilian doesnt want to move to europe because of this project..

yes..that is the olympic..but the core is for the brazil world cup squad..only 3 seniors but not that seniors if we look at the age..all of them for the world cup..

This post has been edited by Ichighost: Jun 10 2012, 06:28 PM

^^ i dont get what's ur meaning project 2014 = players dont want to go out of brazil

this is professional football.

and brazil is not the same brazil if no alves, robinho, thiago alves, julio cesar etc etc (just to name a few) <<-- this is the core of the team bro

brazilian at brazil reluctant to move to europe because of pele advising them to wait for wc2014..if they move now they might struggle to get game..cant adapt..form drop and they cant make it to the squad for wc..and that wc will be at brazil..neymar, ganso, lucas moura, and a few more high profile brazilian use the same excuse if asked about any possible move to europe..

project 2014..mano menezes..only so far keen on dani Alves, ramires, thiago Silva and robinho and maybe Cesar..they are building a new squad for world cup 2014..using most of the under 21 and under 23 players..Julio Cesar, Juan, Lucio, Maicon, Kaka and Luis Fabiano. All of them will be well into their 30s by the time 2014 comes around..

WC 2014 Possible Lineup

Brazil

Júlio César
Maicon - Thiago Silva - David Luiz - Marcelo
Hernanes - Ramires
Neymar - Ganso - Robinho
Pato

all the bench maybe from what we saw in the last match against Argentina..

they are pulling 'Germany youth at the world cup 2010' for 2014..new young squad with exception of a few experience players..

Project 2014
USA Friendly Selection

This post has been edited by Ichighost: Jun 10 2012, 09:15 PM

project 2014 o not

fact is there's no excuse of brazil 'lack of talent'

it's only their u23 squad.

that's all what i'm trying to say.

messi vs brazilian 2nd team
c.ronaldo vs germany

can't even compared that, remember wc2010 germany trash argentine 4-0??
and no he may be good but not best at the moment.

This post has been edited by rikimarumal: Jun 10 2012, 09:28 PM

another idiocy post.

The "under 23 brazil" excuse is pathetic, brazil started with Marcelo, Neymar, Hulk, Damiao and Sandro all who are regular starters on brazil SENIOR team.. Moreover, I'd take Rafa over Julio Caesar and Jefferson; Oscar over Ganso. So essentially, brazil played with 7 out 11 players who would start in brazil A-team.

Brazil not at full strength squad? and For your info,Argentina was not at Full strength Squad too
look at ARG defenders... and midfielders they're not argentina starting 11


btw..what a shambolic performance by the Argentina Defenders . absolutely terrible LOL

Messi made the difference

Argentina Won Thanks To Messi. Messi is just unbelievable. Clinical finishing quality (goals number 1 and two) plus high tempo dribbling (goal number 3) - and then this shot!!! Yes, he is really otherworldly the best in the world by a distance

This post has been edited by zimictrix: Jun 11 2012, 01:01 AM

am not sure u r messi fanboy or what but still...
excuses?
i rather see it a good competitive u23 warm up for the brazilian

fact is, argentina is senior team & preparing for world cup qualifiers while the brazillians are preparing for the olympic
because they dont need to play qualifiers.

if i'm in the same boat as mano menezes of course i choose to prepare what comes first, not the next 2 years (it's totally another project)
u can deny all you want

argentina might gain all the ranking points but the brazillians are surely gearing one more step towards the olympic

and fyi, brazillians only use 2 overage players last nite:hulk (25) & Marcelo (24)(& of course these are according to olympic games rules)

i'm not downgrading any teams or any players in this thread. i'm just stating the fact

Argentina = senior team
Brazil = olympic team

that's all.

nice comment u got there i totally support you....

for those who said messi vs brazillian senior is just ignorance

we talked about the defender and keeper
messi vs them not the attacker

we can say brazil use neymar , hulk and pato but they are forward not a defender
the only senior defender for brazil last night is marcelo which played in left back

what will happened last night if brazil use thiago silva, maicon , alves, david luiz and julio cesar

so can we just conclude that brazil attacking = awesome cuz can score 3 against argentina seniors..

rilek la, baru lawan brazil olympic.. dah orgasm macam menang world cup
masa portugal bantai spain 4-0 cr7 running the show ko pegi mana?

butthurt, messi fanboy??

for those...you dont think he is the best...
pls turun padang and try to do what he did...even without defenders..i doubt you can do !!

so pls...give credit where its due...or you all just TV pundits and
never play the game before?

Who do you think is the best player atm?

he means all time best, not now.. coz currently he's the best player in the world

Seriously, how can u twist what he wrote there to all time best??U got a 3rd eye that can see something that we cant??

'no he may be good but not best at the moment.'

I wonder where u get the 'all time' word suddenly.....

Btw, ppl should stop saying messi rely on iniesta and xavi to provide assist in order to score......in fact, i think is more likely xavi & iniesta rely on messi to produce the goal.....

and how about c. ronaldo that without ozil and dimaria??

dah start dah nak compare dgn player Real Madrid ke apamende pulak

discuss secara sihat sudah, kalau butthurt sikit nak compare dgn player MU la, player Madrid la mcm budak kecik.

everyone has their own opinion la macha

Messi mmg power. Full stop.

depend on time , but mostly he was good.

Im a Real Madrid fan, and i think Messi is the best Attacker right now and maybe since Maradona. I call a spade a spade. But thats just me, everybody have their own opinion..

I'm United's fan, I put both of CR7 and Leo as no. 1, at least after Maradona era.

And yeah, agree with few posters above, comparing both using last 'the unfriendly' friendly match against Brazil Olympic is nonsense.


there were no Ozil and Di Maria when CR7 scored 68 goals in last 2 seasons with United

IMO, both are no 1 and who will get Ballon d'Or or other award at every year will be down to who won more trophies, be it with club or national team, if both have almost similar great form.

This post has been edited by alowie: Jun 13 2012, 08:17 PM

yes i am

u dah lupa ke brape banyak dia score 3 season terakhir di MU?

The score was 4-3. Why some of you saw it as if it was 10-0?

because messi was playing and scored a hat-trick...

in before Ronaldo missed 2 easy chances

Messi is the best player in the world

everyone know this

Yes i guess

To give you some perspective, the young Brazilian team beat USA 4-1.
Prior to that the USA team thrashed Scotland 5-1.
The young Brazilian team are not ikan bilis.

Pele, Eusebio(the Black panther), George Weah and R7 all have superior athletic ability to hone their football skills. Without superior pace or athletic abilities I would suggest that they might not be able to outperform or flash by the opponents. To wit R7 being contained by a faster, superior athlete in Boateng.

On the other hand its the sheer magic and football mastery & sublime skills of players like Maradona & Messi that make believers of us that size or 'pace' don't count.

That's why the immortal Maradona (voted the best by the world fans not FIFA cronies) is a legend.

Likewise Michael Jordan (and not other basketball players like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar that have superior height advantage and better athletic abilities etc. ) is a basketball legend & the BEST.

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Jun 14 2012, 12:34 PM

i think every one has their own opinion on who's the best player currently. messi is good,but not great. do you see he fare well in international stage?? nope. and moreover he's only playing in la liga, he never play in other league, a good player will have no problem adapting different gameplay in different country. do you see messi did that? nope. and do i remind you he did struggle to play against a defensive chelsea side in the champions league, what will happen if he plays in the italian league where it is famous of their rigid defence system? once again sorry if i hurt you messi fanboy but best player in my book will be falcao and aguero, because they have showed they have the ability to adapt in different country different league gameplay. maradona is the best because he play in 2 different continent (argentina and italia league), until messi can proves me wrong otherwise, he is not the best in my books.

If Maradona had played in the English League he would have been hacked and chopped up to bits, by the likes of Stoke Plodders who valued grit & determination.
But does that negate Maradona as the BEST?

What's important is that Messi has proven that he can perform outside of la liga i.e. at the Champion League Stage against Elite teams (Serie A , PL et al) and on their own turfs too and on the international scene (far better than R7).
How can one say that he has not performed well at all outside of la liga?
The international individual awards (especially FIFA junior titles) and records he broke attest to that.

Individual titles

FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2
2010, 2011
Ballon d'Or: 1
2009
FIFA World Player of the Year: 1
2009
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2
2009, 2011
World Soccer Young Player of the Year: 3
2006, 2007, 2008
ESM Team of the Year: 5
2005–06, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
European Golden Shoe: 2
2010, 2012
La Liga top goalscorer: 2
2010, 2012
Copa del Rey top goalscorer: 1
2011
La Liga Player of the Year: 3
2009, 2010, 2011
LFP Best Player: 3
2009, 2010, 2011
LFP Best Forward: 3
2009, 2010, 2011
La Liga Foreign Player of the Year: 3
2007, 2009, 2010
La Liga Ibero-American Player of the Year: 5
2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
UEFA Champions League top goalscorer: 4
2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award: 1
2011
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 1
2009
UEFA Champions League Forward of the Year: 1
2009
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 1
2011
UEFA Team of the Year: 4
2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
Onze d'Or: 3
2009, 2010, 2011
Bravo Award: 1
2007
Tuttosport Golden Boy: 1
2005
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2
2009, 2011
FIFA U-20 World Cup Player of the Tournament: 1
2005
FIFA U-20 World Cup top goalscorer: 1
2005
Copa América Young Player of the Tournament: 1
2007
FIFPro World Young Player of the Year: 3
2006, 2007, 2008
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 5
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
Sportsperson of the Year of Argentina: 1
2011
Footballer of the Year of Argentina: 6
2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
Male Best Athlete in Latin America: 1
2011
Marca Leyenda: 1
2009
L'Équipe Champion of Champions: 1
2011
World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year: 1
2011

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Individual Records
Most goals scored in a season in all competitions: 73 goals
Most goals scored in a single league season: 50 goals
Most goals scored in a single UEFA Champions League season: 14 goals
Most La Liga hat-tricks in a season: 8 hat-tricks
Most UEFA Champions League hat-tricks: 3 hat-tricks
Only player to score 2 hat-trick in a Champions League season
Highest scorer in a single UEFA Champions League game: 5 goals
Most UEFA Champions League top scorer award: 4 awards
The only player to receive the UEFA Champions League top scorer award 4 years in a row
Most La Liga home goals in a season: 35 goals
Most consecutive league matches scored in: 10 matches
Youngest player to score 150 league goals: 24 years and 270 days
Most goals scored in the Supercopa de España: 8 goals
Most goals scored in FIFA Club World Cup: 4 goals
Fastest Barcelona hat-trick: completed in 17th minutes
Barcelona Record Goalscorer: 253 goals
Barcelona Record Goalscorer in UEFA Champions League: 51 goals
Barcelona Record Goalscorer in European Competitions: 52 goals
Barcelona Record Goalscorer in international Competitions: 56 goals




How can one say then that he has not performed well at all outside of la liga? When all the WC titles are given for his performances outside of the la liga.

ronaldo against holland > messi against brazil olympic

depends on what you mean by the best...

is it the BEST at WHAT HE DOES ?

or THE JACK OF ALL TRADES?


if it is the former than Messi already fit the bill for me...


but to be the latter, he must come here and prove himself against the likes of Kelantan and LionsXII first......

If he plays for a different club, can he replicate his successes?

Hypothetical question since it is quite impossible to see him leave Barcelona.