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 LENOVO Y480/580 feel the need for SPEED, lowest price at higher specs cpu

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davidmak
post Aug 16 2012, 04:12 PM

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I got mine (Y580 FHD) from Mid Valley few days ago. Totally rocks and gaming out of the box is fuss free. Not sure why but the 1TB 5400RPM is a little sluggish compared to my work laptop (also spinner HDD). It takes awhile before I could even start a browser.

Am now considering of getting a mSATA ~60GB or more for use as a Windows boot drive. Don't think the new Y580 supports Intel SRT (only HM76 chipset). Any recommendation or advise (for or against)?
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post Aug 16 2012, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Proclaimer @ Aug 16 2012, 08:33 PM)
Yeah how much does the shop in midvalley selling? midvalley IT stuff not cheap  sweat.gif

On a side note. Anybody wants to buy my Y480? 1 month plus of age but rarely used because i got 2 desktops. No HDD though. Can contact me through PM  biggrin.gif
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Standard RRP lor. At first they said RM3699 but found out they bundle useless stuff = cheat money.

QUOTE(Proclaimer @ Aug 16 2012, 10:04 PM)
OS + updates roughly 25 - 30 GB if accumulated. Programs roughly 10gb if you are a light user. Thats already 40 GB. Remaining 12 GB or so only can accommodate 1 game. Go figure  biggrin.gif
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Yeah 60GB almost fit it. If don't want to bother with transplanting HDD to the optical drive area, can just get a mSATA. There's one seller selling 80GB for RM500. Pricey but just drop-in style biggrin.gif

Some may not want to sacrifice the Bluray and still want the 1TB drive for dumping site. So the mSATA seems a viable option provided you have spare change lol!

QUOTE(xerox8908 @ Aug 16 2012, 10:42 PM)
But seem like some Y480 come with 32GB ssd ?
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If stock come with 32GB mSATA SSD, its for caching using Intel SRT. Basically its a RAID mirror to your HDD but only mostly used applications and files are cached there in effort to improve response time. I experienced this with the Inspiron 15R SE before. Boot up speed is really good (with all the junks and crapware). Its good enough.
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post Aug 17 2012, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Proclaimer @ Aug 16 2012, 11:59 PM)
One thing i notice about the beta nvidia driver that i really like is that the battery life is amazing! I can get 4 hours with normal web surfing compared to the shitty stock driver which i can only achieve 2 hours max.  biggrin.gif
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Sorry mind to share which beta version number?
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post Aug 18 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(CKKwan @ Aug 18 2012, 09:15 PM)
Aaarrrrggghhhhh...

I thought it was 2200 all these while, because reading in this forums everyone said that it is 2200 sad.gif

But in fact it is Boardcom. How come the performance is so bad sad.gif
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Mine is also Broadcom too. Doesn't seem to be 'speedy' but surfing and downloading just fine. Tried to look for new drivers but can't find any new ones.
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post Aug 19 2012, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(CKKwan @ Aug 19 2012, 06:47 AM)
Me too, I can't find any new driver. sad.gif
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I tried laptopvideo2go forum. There's a special thread for Broadcom Wi-Fi NICs. But none of the published drivers would install (it says ours are the latest already lol!). Well, if there is no issues don't worry about it. Don't usually trust link speed. More important is average throughput. You can try IPERF or do a local FTP file transfer. Thats a more accurate representation of performance.

QUOTE(sss2sssss @ Aug 19 2012, 10:51 AM)
i7-3630QM is gonna to be launch, so maybe new Y480/Y580 is equip with that processor....
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Maybe they might bring in the version with 32GB mSATA caching. This requires HM77 chipset.
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post Aug 19 2012, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(allsick @ Aug 19 2012, 08:51 PM)
OS is in SSD. OEM partition is also in SSD. I've replaced the HDD with the SSD.

I'm using an enclosure for the HDD now and using it externally. That's the only choice I have right now I guess.
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The OEM partition actually contains the factory restore image and the necessary resources for the user interface. You can delete this partition since you mentioned it has been mirrored into the SSD. As a precaution, you can also backup the OEM partition into discs for recreating the partition in the future.
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post Aug 19 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(allsick @ Aug 19 2012, 10:22 PM)
So the recovery or backup discs contain the same stuff as the OEM partition?
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I believe so. You can try invoke the recovery interface from the SSD. If everything is in order, then yes this is the OEM partition.
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post Aug 20 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(alpha001 @ Aug 20 2012, 07:05 AM)
guys i'm having random BSOD twice last night  sweat.gif so my question is
how to detect the root of the problem and solve it??? icon_question.gif
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Go to C:\Windows\Minidump and take a look at the files. These are BSOD logs and memory dumps. You will find hints of what went wrong. As per other forumers' suggestions, best that you uninstall the recent software that you installed and see if the issue persist.
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post Aug 20 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(alpha001 @ Aug 20 2012, 11:39 AM)
i wish i could open the file blush.gif
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Oops you mean it can't boot into Windows at all? What about safe mode?
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post Aug 21 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(loon1983 @ Aug 21 2012, 01:09 AM)
i m going to get a Y580 soon, thinking of getting the Rm2848 model...
it is big different with coming new processor? worth to wait? icon_question.gif
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The new processor i7-3630QM only offers 100MHz more in base clock and 100MHz more in turbo boost. Not sure about the TDP yet but it'll be mostly the same. Frankly speaking, if all things equal (believe its the same chip, just clock higher), I'd rather have a cool and efficient chip.

QUOTE(xD4rever @ Aug 21 2012, 01:42 AM)
y580 have heat issue?
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Nope. On my Y580, 1 hour of MW3 gaming the GTX 660M GPU only recorded max temperature of 68 Deg C while the CPU recorded max temperature of 67-70 Deg C. No cooler but in air conditioned room set to ambient 20 Deg C.
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post Aug 21 2012, 03:46 PM

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Guys those of you who bought the Y480/Y580 recently will know that you're eligible for an upgrade to Windows 8 at a discount. Well Microsoft has just opened the registration site. I believe we need to register to qualify. Checkout the link HERE
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post Aug 21 2012, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 21 2012, 09:37 PM)
Friends, i just got my Y580, so my question is

1. Do I have to make revovery disk?

2. How to split the drive C into 2..it seems it cant be done using disk management
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Its optional but recommended. The recovery disk is to enable you to restore the partitions for restoring to factory image/defaults when you install a new HDD/SSD.

For splitting C drive, it appears the Lenovo already created 4 partitions on it. Due to the MBR limitations, we can only have up to 4 partitions.
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post Aug 22 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(zcutiecutez @ Aug 22 2012, 02:15 PM)
just bought mine yesterday, but the display adapter are.. weird !
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Define weird? smile.gif
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post Aug 24 2012, 09:53 AM

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Speaking of drivers. Is there a way to display the 'advanced' view of the Nvidia Control Panel? I'm on the latest BETA drivers. Prior, I made sure that the old drivers are properly cleaned and purged using Driver Fusion.

But the options available on the Nvidia Control Panel is very limited and basic.
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QUOTE(sss2sssss @ Aug 24 2012, 12:26 PM)
Nope, only the modified 305.53 can be do that....
I think it was the limitation of Lenovo done of our hardware BIOS, just want to make sure their One-Key Theater working....
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OK got it. I was hoping there is some registry key that can 'reveal' advanced settings biggrin.gif

By the way have you noticed that we can't assign Nvidia GPU for the Lenovo PowerDVD10 player? Mine is stucked with Intel and greyed out for this application. I tried to force run the app with Nvidia GPU but no change.
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QUOTE(chopin @ Aug 25 2012, 10:38 AM)
hi thx. I understand 9-9-9-24 (Team Elite 1333), but what is 11-11-F3 (this is on Samsung 1600 4gb stick)? i guess not only the 1600 MHz will dg to 1333, the Team Elite's CL will be dragged to 11 right?
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Yes correct. Both sticks will 'adapt' to the slowest timing and frequency of the slower stick. This is to ensure overall compatibility is achieved. That is why most would advise installing the same stick. Essentially they don't need to be of the same brand. Just same speed in terms of frequency and timings.
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post Aug 25 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(chopin @ Aug 25 2012, 11:06 AM)

Added on August 25, 2012, 11:07 am

hmm, wonder why Lenovo gives us a 1600MHz stick but with such high CL...
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They are standard clocks. The higher the DRAM frequency, bandwidth the higher the CL. Some manage to speed bin better grade memory chips to run lower CL, so they go into a special category of products. Thats why they are being differentiated from standard modules and thus sold at a more expensive price.

To add further, its a very small gain. This article would provide more into perspective: Memory Speed vs Latency

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QUOTE(chopin @ Aug 25 2012, 08:36 PM)
hu hu... that's quite a lot to read. to give me a quick conclusion, can i say that even if i get a pair of 1600MHz 9-9-9-24, it won't gain much compared with my current sticks (1600, 11-11-F3; and 1333, CL9-9-9-24)? Also need to stress that I don't OC, and am not a gamer.
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LOL biggrin.gif

Well what it means is that CL always go higher as the speed increases from DDR to DDR2 to DDR3. It means that any gains in speed is effectively 'neutralized' as CL increases. For example, DD2-667 CL4 and DDR3-1333 CL8 produces the same amount of performance. Interesting right? Then why the fuss about going DDR3? The answer is bus speed increases. CPU buses are increasing year after year. DDR2 can only go so fast, it needs to go higher. (Read DDR2 vs DDR3)

Therefore it is always a goal to keep CL as low as possible so that gains in memory speed is meaningful. Such is the case of Corsair Vengeance series and the likes, offering DDR3 1600MHz at CL9. JEDEC references DDR3 at CL11 if not mistaken so normal consumer RAM sticks will be there while performance brands will try to make chips operate at lower CL. Thats why the price is higher (lesser supply).

If you would look at the benchmarks, the difference ain't much. Especially now we're at Ivy Bridge (3rd generation Intel Core) where the memory controller is on the CPU package. Also we have GPU subsystem with its own independent GDDR5. Therefore it would be safe to assume that general performance aren't affected much.

Don't get me wrong. A performance RAM does provide increases in performance. The question is how much and whether that increase is where it matters most. 1-2fps increase? Few % increases in benchmark scores? What I do know performance RAM is good is where overclocking is concern. drool.gif

Does anyone know if the Y480/580 can be overclocked and settings tweaked?


Added on August 25, 2012, 9:03 pm
QUOTE(sss2sssss @ Aug 25 2012, 08:57 PM)
U need to check....
Mostly will only come with Atheros.....
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Yeah its strange that there are so many Wi-Fi chips being qualified by Lenovo. So far we heard of Intel, Broadcom and Atheros. I know Broadcom Wi-Fi chips are desirable (beam forming biggrin.gif) but can't tell which chip model is being used.

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QUOTE(sss2sssss @ Aug 25 2012, 09:12 PM)
BTW, how does u all comment abt this backpack?
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It's Belkin Swift Backpack, got one member sell this backpack....
Blame for Thunder Match..... mad.gif
Thunder Match Technology Sdn Bhd still no release my Nokia's phone commission when worked at Nokia booth PC EXPO May 2012, shit!!!!
Say mid or end of this month will release but still no any news, keep sms the incharge ppl but no reply......
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Yup its good. I usually like Belkin products, they are affordable and value for money. It has a lot of storage pockets and offers good protection. But if you have a lot to store, then you need something larger. For my case, I went for the Targus Ecosmart series (a little expensive though) because I need a storage area for files and stuff.

QUOTE(distributor @ Aug 25 2012, 09:12 PM)
use cpu-z to check your RAM timings at diff speed .
for each single ram has their own timings at certain speed
e.g.
1600Mhz 9-9-9-24
1333Mhz x-x-x-x
1000Mhz x-x-x-x

Just make sure the timings is same at that speed for both piece of ram if u want your system to be stable
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Also make sure the voltage is correct. 1.5V. Some RAM gain lower CL but with over-voltage. But don't worry about those Corsair Vengeance, they are 1.5V biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(distributor @ Aug 25 2012, 09:33 PM)
i remember somebody mentioned about issues with 8gb piece ram
he said the Y480 ram slot  r picky with memory modules
the oem ram module run at 1.35V. normal one is 1.5v .

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-Y-U-V-...ade/td-p/806817
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Mine is Hyundai at 1.5V. So it appears that we should be hunting for 1.35V ones from Samsung? Better power consumption drool.gif

I agree with the forum. I upgraded from 2x2GB modules to 2x4GB modules for my Macbook Pro last time. Immediately see reduction in battery life. At least 30-45minutes shaved!

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