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afadzil21
post Apr 1 2013, 08:49 PM

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Hi everyone. Self styled mouse nut here.
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post Apr 1 2013, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ Mar 30 2013, 03:57 PM)
Yea some Lowyat stores might have it, but I'm living in Sarawak. Then there's no way I will be there so soon  sweat.gif .
Hmm I think I will try to check the exact size of the M60/M90 first and measure my hand/palm to see if it fit well lol.
If theoritically fit well, then I might try to get forum seller  smile.gif
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M60 is great. A bit heavy for me but great for those that like their mice heavy. The sniper button needs getting used to though. Corsair software though is just horrible, they're improving but it's still nowhere near the functionality of Logitech G, Razer Synapses or the Steelseries Engine.

M90 is ok. But buttons are bit stiff on the hands side. The G600 does way better. The M95 supposedly solves the stiff button issue but I haven't got my hands on one yet to test it.

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post Apr 4 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Searingmage @ Apr 3 2013, 07:30 PM)
You can give G700 a consideration as well..
Sensei RAW is pretty good also.. Would suggest Sensei RAW over deathadder
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Having all 3 I can say that hands down the DA 2013 is one of the best I've used, comfort, tracking and feel. Sensei is awesome as well, great for ambidextrous mouse lovers. G700 is good, but too many buttons just gets in the way sometimes. Especially since they are all over the place unlike the thumb grid on the G600.

Try to feel the mouse somewhere before you buy. Comfort is quite a personal thing and comes down a lot to your grip, palm, claw or fingertip. You also need to choose the right surface for the mouse. Laser mice like the Sensei and G700 track well on hard surfaces. Optical like the DA and Recon I use are well suited to cloth which I prefer. Don't just buy something for the crazy high DPI or awesome looks, believe me many good looking mice are a pain when held in hand. Tried and true designs like the MX from Logitech and DA from Razer are strong because they work.
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post Apr 7 2013, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(megabyte @ Apr 5 2013, 11:44 PM)
How long did it last you? Hardcore gamer? I personally think that the DA lasts longer for FPS players compared to Dota players. I didn't like how it felt when I'm playing dota. Seems the buttons are very fragile as I do multiple left clicks sometimes.
In terms of what? The sensor? How about the comfortableness? My first priority in getting a mouse is the comfort level / ergonomics of the mouse, which is very important to me, as I do long hours of work on the computer. I'm a palm gripper, so I personally think the DA is awesome..
BTW, does the surface of the 2013 version same as the 3.5G? The rubber matte surface? I got a bit regret that I didn't go for the Black Edition. Now I'm so worried about the rubber surface going sticky.
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The DA 2013 is quite different from the older DA. The surface has been given a new treatment and side grips are rubberised. The matte surface has a more textured rough feel to it (think G500) which makes the grip pretty great.

From what I've read though, the current king of the mouse hill appears to be Func's new MS-3. I'm the process of getting my hands on one through importers so I hope to see how will it performs once I get it. But the Func is USD$80 retail so that maybe quite a bit out of your budget after shipping costs.
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post Apr 7 2013, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(yewMP5 @ Apr 7 2013, 08:30 PM)
fps? SS or Zowie are good...
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I haven't got a Zowie (yet) but from my experience between SS, Logi, Razer, and CM Storm, I'd say it all depends. Are you a low sense of high sense gamer? Do you prefer cloth or hard mat? Because that will decide what kind of mouse will suit you best.

High sense:
1. Laser sensor.
2. Hard mat
Mouse to consider:
1. Sensei,
2. Taipan,
3. G500(S) - New G500S should be out soon if you like the G500 shape, wait for the S, improved buttons and sensor.

Low sense:
1. Optical
2. Cloth mat
Mouse to consider:
1. CM Storm Recon (my current favourite)
2. DA 2013 (use it almost as much)

Wired/wireless: I never use them for gaming in wireless mode. Just don't trust wireless for the speed I need. That's why no Mamba, Ouroboros, or R.A.T.9. N

Note: R.A.T.7 is pretty awesome as well, but the sensor has issues.

DO NOT BUY:
1. Imperator,
2. Kana,
3. Kone/Kone[+]
4. G400 (crappy compared to MX518)
5. Generally most cheapo "gaming" mice.

Point to note:
Gigabyte makes some pretty good mice, but their ergonomics don't suit my grip style well. You can have a go.
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post Apr 7 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ Apr 6 2013, 08:25 PM)
Currently using Logitech M100 mouse, love the durability of it. However the dpi is too low for high resolution gaming performance.
I have survey a few logitech gaming mouses but they are just too big for my hand =_=''.
Therefore I'm thinking to get a gaming mouse later on.
Need recommendations from sifu here  notworthy.gif .

Budget: RM200~300.
Games mostly played: Warcraft II, Dota, Dota2.
Size of mouse: Prefer it has similar to M100 size so that i can palm it easily. My hands are small blush.gif .
**Please no optical type because I lazy to put/put away mouse pad. I mostly do paper works on same table and mouse pad is just like blocking me from doing works haha.

Prefer the mouse that gives nice tracking/sensitivity too since my sister will use my computer sometimes. She complained that my mouse is bad, maybe it is because that my table not flat enough causing that problem on tracking smoothly.
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Answer is quite simple. There arevery few mice that meet your criteria, here's the list:
1. Logitech G100(S) (Optical)
2. SS Kinzu V2/Pro (Optical)
3. SS Sensei/RAW (Laser) - bigger
4. Razer Taipan (Laser) - bigger
5. Zowie AM (Optical)

Your tracking issue is easy to solve, get a Razer Sphex or Goliathus Extended. It will give you a great mousing surface without disrupting your work requirements for the desk. Note that hard surfaces will wear down your mouse feet quickly compared to cloth.
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post Apr 8 2013, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ Apr 8 2013, 12:11 AM)
Thanks for the mouse suggestion smile.gif.
SS sensei raw is not bad, but the length the mouse is slightly longer.
Thinking to get a mouse pad, Steelseries OcK mini is good enough I think. Any idea about it ?
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QCK and SS mice are built for each other. I use a mini at work. For gaming you probably go for the standard QCK or QCK+. Razer Goliathus Control is pretty good as well. However, Zowie's G-TF speed is just amazing for me. The only pad I'm still trying to get is CM Storm's Power RX, no one selling it yet locally I think.
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post Apr 9 2013, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(viqq @ Apr 9 2013, 12:15 AM)
Lol. Dude the relating of a gaming mouse to doing assignment of yours is impressive.

If you really know about gaming with wireless mouse, I don't think you will get it. Go ahead and try, but I can't recommend your anything, because I don't think any of them is decent.
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The G700 is better than the Orochi IMHO. Quite a solid wireless signal. But for gaming, almost apples to apples, the G500 seems just ever so slightly more responsive. Like it or not, wireless just isn't great for gaming. I've heard some good things about the Mamba though, but mainly once it's in wired mode. Orochi doesn't even get full DPI wireless since its BT based. Use two mice like I do, a good Logi wireless for general work, and a wired gaming grade for gaming.

If you really want wireless, try out the G700, Mamba or Ouroboros. R.A.T.9 doesn't have a wired mode, making it a no no in my books.
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post Apr 10 2013, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(tennytyy @ Apr 10 2013, 10:25 AM)
You can't really get a good wireless mouse for budget around rm100 to rm200.
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What he said

Anyways, then it can't be a 'gaming' mouse, but a wireless mouse good enough for gaming. I would suggest one of Logitech's wireless mice. I've had the VX Nano and the MX Anywhere and they're damn good mice.

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post Apr 10 2013, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(megabyte @ Apr 10 2013, 09:11 PM)
Even a labeled wireless gaming mouse isn't really good for gaming and you tell me those two are good enough? 1000dpi , 125Hz refresh rate, good enough for gaming? Seriously?

Frankly speaking, for that budget RM100-200, better get a good WIRED gaming mouse like DA 3.5G, G400, G500 & etc.

Conclusion, wireless mouse for gaming? Still no go for me. I'd rather spend my moolah on a good WIRED mouse.
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I didn't say they are good gaming mice, I said they're good mice. They guy wants a wireless mouse in his budget for gaming, doesn't have to be a gaming mouse. The IME3.0 isn't a gaming mouse, yet I know guys who swear by it. The mouse doesn't make you a better gamer, you gotta be a better gamer first and the mouse if just a tool to make things ever so slightly better. Even if he wants to get a Rapoo mouse for gaming, it would still be fine, it all comes down to the gamer at the end of the day.

If you had read some of my previous posts, you can see I'd already recommended a bunch of wired gaming mice to another guy. I'm at least sharing the expertise and experience I've had with gaming mice since way back when I first got my hands on the MX500. Let the guy try for himself and see how they suit his gaming style.
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post Apr 11 2013, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(megabyte @ Apr 11 2013, 03:17 PM)
Firstly, the guy wanted a WIRELESS gaming mouse with RM100-200 budget. The ones you recommended is way over that budget, he just can't buy anything DECENT for the money.

Your example of IME3.0 is quite irrelevant. At that time of release of the IME3.0, not many companies label their mouse as gaming mouse. Then again, the re-released version of the IME3.0 IS LABELED as gaming mouse under their Microsoft.com/hardware website. The labeling of gaming mouse is just a gimmick. If you find the Anywhere mouse works good for you, I have no comments. But to me, 1000dpi and 125Mhz, and for that same kind of money, I'd get a DA or G500 anytime of the day, that simple.

You call MX500 way back? I go real wayback bro. Wayback in the ball mouse days. The WingMan / MouseMan era. And why do I even compare this? Argghhahaa.. guess it's just another free day at the office. biggrin.gif

No problem dude, you're allowed to say anything here man. Don't worry. But from my point of view, really there is no wireless mouse worth the call that can make me make the jump from wired to wireless.
That's a good buy. Guess they are clearing stocks to make way for the G500s probably?
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The MX500 was the first mouse actually targeted at gamers by Logitech. And yes, I do go way back to the days of the first Razer Boomerang and then Diamondback. My first freaking mouse was a logitech 3 button. So I know my mice and having to remove ball, clean gunk, put back ball days.

The guy wanted a wireless mouse. G500 is a great buy anyway. Especially at the current bargain prices.
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post May 19 2013, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(SoulRex @ May 17 2013, 07:15 PM)
if i got rm300 to spare...what mice will be the best???currently on DA transformer version =)
currently considering SS sensei raw frost blue, CM sentinel II, leetgion hellion, roccat kova 2
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Don't need to spend RM300. I would recommend the DA2013 since you're already using a DA, familiarity is there. The CM Storm Inferno is actually quite good as well, except for that laser sensor it has.

EDIT: Consider Corsair M65 White as well. Don't think they ar the available in Malaysia yet.

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post May 21 2013, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ May 21 2013, 12:12 AM)
ah...been years i havent stepped into this hardware section. lol. but too bad lately, my old faithful G9 which i have used for close to 6 years plus, the scroll button is acting up. and even more sad to see the G9/G9X has been phased out, dont know for what reason as there are still no replacement models. both the G600 and 700 are too fat compared to the dry-grip G9.

so now, the mission to search for new claw/finger grip mouse begins. with sooooo many new gaming peripheral players come into the game, it is quite confusing. Hope you good people out there could point me to one or two good mouse so I can minimize the search criteria and look for reviews? Thanks a bunch.

Currently reading about the razer taipan. seems like what I am looking for, but has razer product quality been improved over the years? my copperhead could only last about 6 months then it double clicks like hell. Unlike my G9 which served me so well for so many years. laugh.gif
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I would recommend the Sensei. Excellent claw grip. Recon is nice as well. Taipan sensor is a bit 'off'. Sensei RAW is great.

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