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Mr Kong
post Jan 6 2013, 05:06 PM

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Hi.
My friend wants to know let's say he gets a LOCAL medical degree from IMU.
As far as i know, IMU's local medical degree is only recognised by Malaysia and Sri Lanka government.
Can he do his specialist/master in UK?
Because his IMU local degree only is only recognised here and not UK.
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post Jan 7 2013, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Jan 6 2013, 05:55 PM)
Short answer, no.
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I took this from IMU's Medical brochure.
"Many Malaysian doctors who attend the local course also sit the membership
examinations of the UK colleges and thus end up with postgraduate qualifications
from the UK as well."

I am not questioning your answer, I understand that reality may sometimes be different.
But why do you say NO,he can't do his specialist/master in UK?


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post Jan 7 2013, 04:37 PM

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OK. I have another enquiry.
What about Penang Medical College's programme?
Their Medical Degree is recognised by Ireland.
Is it possible to do post graduate in UK?

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post Jan 7 2013, 05:33 PM

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Quote from PMC's website:
"The MB BCh BAO degrees are recognised by the IMC (Irish Medical Council), MMC (Malaysian Medical Council), Sri Lankan Medical Council as well as other regulatory bodies throughout the world. The degrees allow the holder to pursue postgraduate training worldwide."

But the PMC option isn't better than a local IMU degree,no?
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post Jan 7 2013, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2013, 05:41 PM)
these are different things......and don't confuse the two.....

any doctor from a listed uni (and there are several 'lists') can register and sit for the exams, once they satisfy pre-requisites.....

'doing specialisation (there is NO such thing as 'masters' as specialist qualification in uk) in uk' means WORKING there, and that is not possible, as the imu degree is not recognised there, therefore not registrable...albeit one can sit for the plab test and if passed, can register with gmc....
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One can sit for the plab test, and if...
Let's say i pass the test, is it LIKELY that i get to work in the UK

2nd Question:
I get a local degree from Malaysia(IMU), let's say i want to be a specialist.
Can i study my "specialist" in UK?

3rd Question:
Why is the St George University route via Taylor's unpopular?Any idea?


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post Jan 7 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2013, 05:47 PM)
note that gmc is NOT mentioned....

the pmc degree has one extra country that recognises it over imu-mbbs....ie ireland....

note that it is now almost impossible for pmc graduates to get a housemanship job in ireland due shortages of places.....
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Ok. Noted.
But isn't it the same for housemanship jobs in UK?

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post Jan 7 2013, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2013, 05:55 PM)
1: no

2: no

3: too strict. They want minimum 3a at a levels, AND acceptable performance while at taylors....that weeds out the majority of intending students.....might as well go imu-pms(easier to get in, no need 3a, more choices) or direct entry into uk.....
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....Which means if you have a local IMU medical degree.
Your can only study your specialist here in Malaysia?
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post Jan 7 2013, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2013, 06:04 PM)
i think people will have to accept that a msian medical qualification (including foreign degrees obtained in msia) means restriction to work in msia only.....forget about overseas....

exception being spore recognising um/ukm degrees.....
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I am very curious about how you found about the requirements for St George's?
Did you call Taylor's and ask them about it?
You are right, they want 3A's.
But i am curious though,
if a person gets 2A 1B and does well in the medical course in Taylor's, will they actually take in the student?
Because i called Taylor's and they claimed that 5 places are being offered
Besides, they dont seem to advertise too much on St George because not too many universities offering medical in Malaysia has partners in UK.
What do you think?

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post Jan 7 2013, 06:16 PM

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But i am really surprised.
But it's a risk for people who dont meet the requirement for A-Level and yet satisfy their "acceptable performance" in Taylor's
They don't have a percentage, so it isn't clear.

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post Jan 7 2013, 06:20 PM

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But isn't that a little bit unfair?
St George is essentially saying "You were not that good once, i do not care how good you are now, we do not want you."
Besides, i have another question.
Can an IMU local medical degree holder study(not work) his specialist in Australia?
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post Jan 7 2013, 06:28 PM

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Working 4 years in the government which is compulsory in Malaysia.
Here's the part I want to know.
Can you do your POSTGRADUATE DEGREE
(Master, MRCP, FRCS, etc) in UK or Australia with an IMU local degree and

If Yes
2nd question:
After getting your postgraduate degree from the respective country, is it likely that you get to WORK in that country?

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post Jan 7 2013, 10:08 PM

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OK. I am a bit confused.
I will keep it simple.
Let's say I want to be a Skin Specialist.
I've done my IMU medical degree and i've served the government for 4 years.
I need to further my studies rite?
This is the part where i am confused, can i further my studies in UK/AUS?
If you think my question is repetitive, do not answer.
I just want clarification on the matter.
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post Jan 7 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2013, 10:10 PM)
there is no confusion, you just refused to believe...

the answer is still NO...
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OK. Thanks for all the replies and help.
I really appreciate it.

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post Jul 7 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 6 2013, 04:13 PM)
this issue has been discussed at pagalavan's blog, and is covered in several statements from the gmc.....

graduates from numed although recognised by gme, is not eligible for fy in uk under current guidelines....and they are not eligible also to sit for the plab, which can make them eligible for fy.....

so all students and potential students in numed should make decisions based on the assumption that they CANNOT work in uk.....

it is commonly misunderstood by many....'specialisation' in medicine means postgraduate on the job training, which means full time work......therefore, no work, no training.....intercalated degrees, masters, and doctorates are NOT specialisation qualifications.....
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I am also confused about this. Let's say a person graduates from IMU local program. He/She can only work in hospitals in Malaysia for the rest of his/her life?
Then what about those people who do the IMU-PMS and they do not get to stay back in the UK. Can they re-enter UK later to work as a doctor there?
To be honest, I tried finding pagalavan's blog and I can't find anything comparing a local medicine graduate and a UK medicine graduate. Could you please give me the link?
Thanks.

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post Jul 8 2013, 10:11 PM

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What is the difference between masters and specialization? Do you have to do masters in order to specialize? Please do not say I did not do my homework. I called IMU many times and they said you have to find it on the internet. I tried googling carreer pathway of a doctor in Malaysia and all the infomation are irrelevant.
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post Aug 19 2013, 10:33 PM

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Hi. I am just curious how much does a doctor earn in UK.
Doctors that are doing their houseman.
Thanks.
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post Aug 19 2013, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Aug 19 2013, 11:01 PM)
Curious enough to google? tongue.gif
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Sorry pod. Kindly excited today because I spoke to a doctor who is 50+ this year. He told me that he could make more money in Malaysia compared to UK. He is a kidney specialist. But I thought about it and I am very curious. If doctors could make more in Malaysia, why is everyone so eager to become a doctor in the UK? He also told me that are very few private doctors in the UK. I am just asking here to verify what he said. Is it true?
Thanks.

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post Aug 20 2013, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Aug 19 2013, 11:55 PM)
No apologies required.
Maybe, just maybe not every doctor in the UK is specially in it for the money? Or do you mean malaysians wanting to practice in the UK? The nephrologist is in his 50s, and the scenario when he graduated and specialised is no longer the same today. In the UK, if one works for the NHS as a specialist, the salary is between 75k and 100k sterling, per annum.
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I would agree that it's quite a huge amount if you convert back to Malaysian ringgit. So it's around RM41k per month.
But I also understand that the tax rate is quite high in the UK. But aren't some specialist in Malaysia making much more?
Thanks.
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post Aug 20 2013, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 20 2013, 12:02 AM)
nothing to do with competency....

generally, doctors in uk earns more than the equivalent doctors in msia.....

however, as is the usual case in more developed economies, the range of income is narrow in uk.....so the consultants do not earn very much more junior doctors....as said, there is limited private practice in uk, usually in the setting of a full time nhs consultant with some private practice sessions....

on the other hand, msia doctors are paid poorly in the gov.....but when a doctor leaves for private practice, the income jumps.....and people sees the tip of the iceberg successful specialists and thinks all doctors earn like that...

yes indeed, the successful private specialist do earn MORE than the nhs consultants.....but that would be comparing an outlier with the mean.....
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Ok. Thanks for answering. But in terms of opportunities in Malaysia. Do you agree there are much more opportunities in Malaysia? I mean you can use your money to invest in many things in Malaysia as compared to Uk.
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post Aug 20 2013, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Aug 20 2013, 12:07 AM)
When you work in the UK, you spend in the UK, and the question of "converting back" do not arise. Re specialists in Malaysia, read limeuu's comment above.
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I agree with your comment. But what about those who are from lower-income families? One of their priorities would be to send back money to their parents. By lower-income families, I am referring to those who mortgage their house to send their children to UK to study medicine.

Besides, I found this in j%c. I am not sure whether is it relevant or not.

Age: 28
Job Title : Dentist
Years spent in company: 1
Company : Permanent dentist in private dental clinic
Salary : profit sharing, approximately rm25,000 a month
Working hours: 9-5pm, lunch break 1 hour
Annual leave: flexible
Benefits: dental insurance, yearly bonus depending on clinic's profit

I ASSUME he is a normal dentist with a bachelor's degree. At the age of 28, he is already making 25000 in Malaysia whereas I think a specialist is normally around 30+ and making 41000 in the UK? I know I am not comparing apples with apples but is it that glamorous to be a doctor in the UK?I am just curious why many people are so eager to become a doctor in the UK? I am really curious.

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