Morning Docs,
Would like your help here about studying in Indonesia, for eg. Universitas Padjadjaran in Bandung. Are Indonesian medical degrees recognised overseas ? Please share your views and comments. Thanks.

Am not a doctor, but what you should do is check out the respective medical councils (or similar body), eg for Singapore it's SMC, GMC for UK, and AMC for Australia.

Thanks, podrunner.

these are transitional arrangements in the realignment process to accommodate new Medical Schools.....that is normal process.....

which then begs the question....is sibu going to be taken away from unimas and given to segi?.....

and how are they going to cope with teaching when their teaching hospitals are so far apart?.....

What do you mean mean by 'overseas'?

It's definitely NOT recognized in Singapore, UK, and Australia.....

Hi,
I was referring to these countries. My take is that it is only recognised in M'sia and Indonesia. Thanks.

IMU will not be the sole med school attached to Hospital tuanku Jaafar(Seremban) soon.

We have more med school than teaching hospitals.

It's sad to see nowadays a single hospital is being used by multiple med schools. We barely have enough consultants for clinical duties, and now they will have to allocate time for med students (definitely they will, as they are paid RM100-200 per session of bedside teaching).

Cant believe the consultants are only paid little penny for bedside tutorial. Thats similar with the pay of a part time CSU facilitator in IMU.

And surprisingly, they turn up for teaching. This has to be of good will!

Each session usually lasts for 30-45min. Also, not only the consultants are taking classes for med students, but junior specialists as well (eg fresh MRCP/master grad)

RM100-200 is quite lucrative for gov doctors. A Jusa C consultant is only paid RM15k per month if not mistaken.

We are blaming aspiring doctors for asking how much can they earn.
And here we are talking about seniors teaching juniors on the basis of goodwill. By inference, unless patients have the $$$, they can go fly kite!

As a healthcare professional, being tutor is also part of our job description, as medicine is more than science. Our ancestor in this field were trained by apprenticeship, and i dont see this tradition dying off. IMU has been pushing very hard to us seniors to guide the juniors in their initial phase in clinical school, which I think is good as we interact with them more than lecturers.

Coming back to your doubt, it is RM200 per session. The specialist and consultants doesnt mind the money. They teach in hope that when we graduate we will be a safe and competent doctor. To be honest, they are the best person to teach clinical students.

Yes it is of good will.

Sometimes, it is not purely based on good will, as i have seen some specialists actually neglected their clinical duties in order to cram in more bedside teaching with the medical students. However, it is not entirely their fault as they too have to put food on their tables for the families.

IMO, gov Drs in Malaysia are not paid their worth, but definitely, one can always argue that a big portion of the gov Drs do not worth their pay.

Not sure if you know what I meant here.

I should rephrase my sentence, the consultants are teaching the med students out of passion! As it is obvious the sessions payout are more like a formality than anything - a part time CSU facilitator (any mbbs graduates)in IMU also gets rm200 and they are nowhere near specialist.

I am actually very surprised that they are paid for these bedside teachings, as far as I know some countries don't. Guess it is more of a formality.

i think in aus they don't get paid. but they are all so willing and eager to teach us all.

The specialists in MY - Do they have to take care of housemen too?

it is different in msia, compared in some other countries, because of the separation of functions of doctors govt by ministries....

doctors in the moh is employed to provide medical service to patients, NOT to teach....thus, if they are required to do so, they have to be paid extra...on the other hand, doctors in the mohe (ipta staff) are contracted to teach, and NOT to provide medical service...many do clinical service free....but many just stop clinical practices and just teach...(most contract doctors see no benefit in clinical work, as they are not paid extra for that)....

while many moh doctors don't mind teaching ipta students free, most will NOT want to teach ipts students without some kind of payment....after all, they are charging their students so much......

it is different in eg, the uk....where everything is all in the nhs, and doctors are employed with already specific duties all clearly spelled out in their contract, within the nhs system.....ie clinical work, teaching duties, and research duties.......and there is no such thing as 'private' med schools there.....similar system exist in australia, although more heterogeneous, as each state runs their own separate system....

For your info, gov Drs do get paid when teaching IPTA students, like in Hosp Selayang and Sg Buloh where UiTM students are attached to.