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TSSyd G
post May 19 2013, 08:50 AM

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Hi Mr.Docter

I don't know. We still haven't done suturing smile.gif
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post Aug 23 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Aug 23 2013, 12:30 PM)
Yesterday in The Star: A letter from a Practicing Doctor (Sorry, din have the link)

A practicing doctor in KL highlighted that eventhough he works 7.5 hours a day and 5 days a week and average 600 patients a month, his net income is only about RM1,000 per month!!

I think its time for him to close his clinic and look for a full time job. This is pure MANAGEMENT FAILURE and surely does not reflect other doctors' earnings.
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Net income means minus his car and house installment? brows.gif
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post Aug 23 2013, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Aug 23 2013, 02:39 PM)
Then probably it could be true. Could also include holidays and investments. 

But he also said BELOW poverty line. doh.gif
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I bet it's just a string of bad financial decisions.
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post Aug 23 2013, 06:30 PM

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I'm aware that insurance company put a cap on consultation fees. ING was RM8-RM11 last time.If a doc takes 15 mins per patient, then only can earn RM44 per hour for consultation?
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post Oct 1 2013, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Nelfaelf @ Oct 1 2013, 12:17 PM)
hello guys , i want some honest opinion form you guys please biggrin.gif.

aimst and mahsa which is better to choose ? i want to know the perks and cons of each uni .

aimst :
- mostly indians food , some chinese food . not sure about malay i guess they can find outside the uni .
- a bit rural ( bedong )
- established university
- ???

mahsa :
- near midvalley ,
- their 1st batch will graduate this year . not how the quality of the graduate
- hospital kuala lumpur ( kind of big hospital , i think i will find a lot of disease case there ??? )
- all type of food indians , malay and chinsese . seems okay

****additional questions***
#can you guys tell more about these two universities ? how about the room ?
#i have never seen mahsa and aimst room . but they tell me mahsa room is quite nice even for triple sharing room
#And MOST IMPORTANT , can you guys tell me about how the lecture is ? are they very helpful , it would be great if the lecturer are friendly and easy to get along . kinda make studying more fun , right ?
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You're choosing uni based on food and location? How about going there and talking to the seniors? It will only be a fraction of 250k-300k you're about to spend anyway...
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post Oct 18 2013, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 16 2013, 06:10 PM)
Is this even an issue?  rclxub.gif
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Awww man. What am I going to do with my expensive watch and bag when I start clinical years in a few months' time? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

(ending pre-clinicals in 3 weeks' time here! icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif)
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post Jun 24 2015, 11:39 AM

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Where are u now? Still in Tassie? biggrin.gif
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post Jul 13 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(unknowngenius @ Jul 10 2015, 05:09 PM)
Hey guys, anyone here did any part time jobs while waiting for their housemanship? If so, what kind of job?

I just graduated and I can't afford to sit at home for months before my first posting!
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Afaik, best part time job is self-employment biggrin.gif Part time jobs outside usually only pays about RM5-7/hour unless you're looking at very short term employment (2-3 days event that can pay ...like a promoter.. about RM100/day). Lots of fast food places are paying more for raya break (RM10/hour).

Sell something, build something, teach tuition, drive for Uber.

I'm not aware of much medical based opportunities in Malaysia unless you can find some short term clinical research jobs (sometimes just to key in data and take vitals).
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post Jul 14 2015, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(unknowngenius @ Jul 14 2015, 11:33 AM)
This isn't the case of being passionate or not. This is the case of being sensible to your parents or not.
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All the best in your new job thumbup.gif
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post Dec 23 2015, 03:20 PM

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My graduating seniors were told in November that they have to wait until next June for a post. That makes the current waiting period 8 months. And it's going to get worse over the next couple of years.

Eep.

Enrolment is tough for med schools. Newcastle will be having their own foundation program soon.
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/numed/study/undergrad...ation/index.htm

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post Dec 23 2015, 04:21 PM

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Yeah even Monash has started offering 50 MBBS bursaries to self-sponsored Malaysian students (non-JPA, non-MARA) totalling RM50k for the whole course. This has never happened before.

On one hand I believe that yes, we have too many medical students. On the other hand, I believe that this disaster could pontentially weed out the ones who're doing medicine for the wrong reasons (peer pressure, family, society, money etc). Maybe this could open up possibilities of filling up places in unpopular but important fields (e.g rehab, psychiatry, geriatrics, public health, clinical research).
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post Dec 24 2015, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Dec 24 2015, 12:13 AM)
I am in charge of HO training in my department. I am having migraine almost everyday since the day i took over. Can't present case even with case notes, no common sense, very poor medical knowledge. Malaysia is doomed
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Any particular pattern that you're seeing? E.g bad housemen from certain unis, certain country of training, certain background etc?
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post Aug 7 2016, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(rageLE @ Aug 7 2016, 06:09 AM)
bump..  is there any latest insight in the medical field
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Unemployment everywhere biggrin.gif


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post Aug 8 2016, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(rageLE @ Aug 8 2016, 04:33 PM)
still advisable to go into the medical field? as in future opportunity might be better , i dont have any insider that could give answers to my questions  rclxub.gif
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it depends. if you can bear the prospect of contract jobs & have the passion for it.. why not

ROI-wise maybe not as good as it used to smile.gif
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post Aug 15 2017, 06:54 AM

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QUOTE(Archmage Warlic @ Aug 15 2017, 12:55 AM)
This thread seems to be pretty inactive lately - I wonder why.

What are the things a soon-to-graduate medical student needs to do if the student plans to undergo housemanship in Malaysia?
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Here's a link to the new guideline by MMC

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1...=1&l=3f26e194aa
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post Dec 12 2017, 10:04 AM

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While the edu system is encouraging people to get involved in STEM, the money is somewhere else sad.gif
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post Dec 12 2017, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Dec 12 2017, 09:44 AM)
I'm afraid for one Jack Ma in China, there are tens of millions of Chinese gets into financial distress in business,
out of  which, another tens of thousands declared bankrupts...

Medicine, and by extension dental ,  in most countries gets you a steady job with a steady 'above average' income.
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Steady and above average if you're able to withstand unemployment before being called for housemanship and compete with fellow doctors for gov posts & training positions after 4y of contract hmm.gif
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post Dec 12 2017, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Dec 12 2017, 10:22 AM)
Maybe opting for Sabah or Sarawak gets a higher chance of being absorbed into gomen service.
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Having Part A/Part 1 done is a bigger advantage TBH. But since competitive housemen are keen to sit for these papers early, other specialties are missing out on recruiting the cream of the crop.
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post Dec 12 2017, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Dec 12 2017, 11:13 AM)
Well, MBBS graduates may be 'unemployed' as gomen houseman (a stipulation in Medical Acts) today for say, a year.
But ALL of the them (who qualifies) gets to do medicine which they are specifically trained for ...after say, a year.
Meanwhile in terms of generating income upon graduation, nobody can stop them from doing so, though with restriction by the Act.

Graduates in other professional disciplines (such as law, engineering) may never get a job they are trained for in public sector .... and by extension private sector for some.
If ever they gets to do a job they are trained for, it could be anything after 1,5 or 10 years upon graduation.
Retire at 60 yo from a profession they were trained for ? .............. fat hope you have.

Doctors have the choice of a structured system in 'training positions' for career advancement and in a way, the same cannot be said for other professions like engineers.

Btw, I'm not in health care.
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You're absolutely right on that regards. And this is based on the assumption that everyone will get to practice medicine after they're booted out of gov service.

Still, the ROI for medicine is horrible if you're only given 4 years of confirmed employment with the government. Further structured training as specialists through the masters program are only available to less than 20% of the yearly intake. And unlike engineering and law, medical training in Malaysia can only be done in the gov sector.

So lets say if you spent RM300,000 in a low tier private med school and gets HO/MO salary of RM6k average over 4 years... that's bad. The private GP scene is getting saturated. You may get RM8-10k monthly tops after that if you're lucky.

I'll admit that I dont know how much lawyers and engineers earn after 5, 10, 15, 20 years of practice biggrin.gif
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post Dec 12 2017, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Dec 12 2017, 04:32 PM)
When I previously talk about ROI on my kids medical career, I was blasted and told not to look at that angle. They were correct and I agree with them.

Lawyers and engineers share the same situation as medical doctors. If you are good, have the networking and interact well, you will do financially well.

As for you, with an IT degree earlier and now with everybody talking about IoT, industry 4.0, blockchain and digital media, your options are much greater and you can find some spare time to enhance your earnings. thumbup.gif
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You have smart kids. The keypoint is... ROI in medicine is horrible if you're average (and dropping out after 4 years without other skills than things you learnt from med school) biggrin.gif

I see my future place in in data science & IoT of healthcare smile.gif
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