Spore has a list of recognised med schools....Check their website....

For offshore programmes, the condition for recognition is that the clinical component of the course must be done in the home country....Hence both numed and Monash msia not recognised...

They will give conditional registration to doctors with post graduate qualifications like MRCP/MRCS irrespective of the primary qualification...

Thanks for the heads up....This definition is better, as it involves assessing a particular campus and programme rather than blanket non recognition....It also recognise some unis have different med school within the same country....

And it potentially allow offshore branches to be recognised in future....

there is no significant change in the course structure in monash, and the change is just in line with the changes in the main campus in melbourne....

based on the new smc guideline, theoretically, monash msia can request for assessment by smc, and potentially be recognised....

the ntu/imperial med school only graduate their first batch in 2019...and then in small numbers....spore obviously has no intention of training enough doctors themselves....so they will continue to take in img...and they know they have a steady supply, all ready and paid for by others (gov, parents), queuing up to "volunteer"....

tpleong's question being representative of so many....eyeing and wanting to go work in spore...lol

but as ntu ramp up the numbers, the need for img will ease....and they may even be more selective....eg may drop um/ukm, as they appear to have problems with these graduates....

the "scholarship" is for sporeans overseas, after their 1st year....is seems to work, as evidenced by the fact that in one oz med school last year, only one sporean stayed back...

it seems some msian graduates have issues with competency and adaptability...not perhaps an unexpected issue, in the light of msia's own experience with competency issues (which is NOT restricted to foreign mills) and the simple fact that msian education is never a simple meritocracy....you take people in using filters other than merits and suitability, and you can be assured some rotten apples will pass through....

I wonder how much of the shortfall is a result of brexit?...

what do you mean by "masters overseas"?....

i would suggest that all medical students survive and complete the housemanship first, before talking about anything further into the future...current statistics show 30% cannot complete housemanship on time (ie retained in one of more postings)....and 5-10% actually failed to complete...ie dropped out....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 23 2017, 01:34 PM

A significant portion of msian medical graduates lack the intellectual ability, the interest, the mental attitude, the mental fortitude etc to be doctors...Many are there for 3 simple reasons...Their parents want them to, they have the money, and it is easy to enter medical school....

Because this will be the natural course of events, if left to the free market, most countries regulate tightly at the most important step in the pathway: at entry into medical school....

Msian decided not to....For political reasons...

Hence you have the current situation.... Unfortunately, people have spend a lot of money already when they realise/decide they can't/don't want to do it....

But that's the whole point.... Someone made a lot of money....

There is no political will to correct the problem at source...ie intake into​ med schools...

Actions taken are only at graduated doctors level...By removing all recognition of all overseas qualifications...And by employing housemans on contract...And only taking in selected doctors as mo after...So joblessness after housemanship is real now...

Market forces will also play a role...As the public realise there is no more guaranteed jobs, many will think twice...

That may mitigate the total numbers issue....But it does nothing to the quality issue....Ipta is cutting down on places, as ipts rams up their numbers...And the gov have stopped scholarships for medicine...

The nett effect is, many good suitable students will be discouraged from taking up the profession due to limited opportunities, cost, bad publicity....And replaced by basically rich students...Who will span the whole spectrum from excellent to the mediocre....

In simple terms, going forward, if no cohesive comprehensive action is taken, the next generation of doctors will be populated by either rich people, or very indebted people, or both....With high drop out rates....

ho jobs are assured, as it is the statutory requirement for full registration, and this role is given to moh (and some mohe, and soon, mod as well)....so all msians WILL get to do the ho...on contract....

there are not enough mo posts for all the ho, so some kind of selection process will be required to select who gets mo jobs (likely compliance with the parallel moh pathway, ie some kind of part 1 under their belts)....but it means a significant number of hos completing their housemanship will not get full time jobs in moh....what will become of them?....time will tell....maybe drive uber?...

it is pertinent to note, what we see now, is the result of doctors who started their courses before the implementation of the mmc minimum qualification guideline....where people with c and d and even e in spm and pre-u get into med schools...particularly overseas...hence you will expect some of them will be, i will be completely blunt here, intellectually incapable of being a doctor to begin with...rubbish in, rubbish out...

the guideline was introduced in 2011.....and will likely mean those graduating from now, will be affected, although it is well known many students and med schools did NOT comply with the guidelines....so perhaps the quality will improve somewhat...although personally, i think 5b at spm and 3b/3.0/atar80 at pre-u is still way way too low...

the waiting time will get shorter...as they try to clear the backlog...moh/spa has created another 1500 contract jobs for ho...but spa has been extreme slow is processing applications...remember, it's NOT moh that employs these contract doctors, but spa...

in the old days when doctors are short, they short circuit the spa process, and doctors undergo the spa recruitment process AFTER they started work....now, everything goes by the book...

the 1500 extra posts is above and over the 5000 a year available from the original ho programme...the problem is, when 30% don't finish on time, that's 1500 posts that is not freed....

as those extended completes, it frees up the locked 1500 posts and allows more to be taken in...so it rolls on...

well, it's at least an attempt at mitigating the situation by the moh....who are saddled with a problem they did not create...the creator of the problem don't care, as once the student graduates, it's not their problem anymore...

the old days really means the old days lah....lol...your time, i think 2013 or thereabouts, they already complying with spa processes....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 23 2017, 07:12 PM

You have been tested by fire and survived. Be proud...

On call money?....I come from a time when we work for free...lol

I repeat....Free, gratis, nothing....

The shift system comes after the on call allowance...Google when call allowance was implemented....lol

my question remains....what do you mean by "masters overseas"?...

what do you mean by "master overseas"?

it is worrying when 4th year medical students have very poor knowledge about the profession they will soon be a part of....

hunther has refused to answer what he means by "masters overseas", but from the context of the question, he probably means postgraduate training overseas, and assumed it's also "masters" like msia....and from the question, he is likely from an ipta...

fact 1: doing a "masters" somewhere overseas is NOT a specialist qualification....

fact 2: the majority of msian medical degrees are not recognised out of malaysia....

fact 3: medical postgraduate training is NOT attending a course like undergraduate medicine, but a full time work and part time study commitment....key word is WORK...

fact 4: if you are not registrable, you CANNOT work as a doctor....and if you cannot work, you cannot undergo postgraduate/specialist training....

a good read at pagalavan.com will be useful, maybe buy his books...will clear up all the misconceptions....