in malaysia, only the govt doctors seems to be fixated with this.....most surgeons in private practice just use the simple dr, to avoid confusion with the public....it is also not an issue in north america, where everybody is a dr. xxx, md.........

but in your particular case, he would be indeed a fellow of one of the scottish ancient barber-surgeon colleges.....in fact, a double fellow.....

as a guide, look for the alphabets frcs(college name) or fracs.....

the masters will not have these....

http://www.intohigher.com/uk/en-gb/campaig.../into-sgul.aspx

http://www.sgul.ac.uk/international/into

Quite interesting that SGUL has an international MBBS program, UCAS code A900 (instead of the usual A100), 6 years course, last 2 years "clinical practice in the United States or other international clinical sites".

I wonder if these graduates will be eligible for FYP, alongside the grads from the A100 program....seems iffy when clinical training is done outside the UK. Prospective students should ask the right questions.

Just read the brochure online :

"Graduates will be provisionally registered with the General Medical Council (GMC). Applicants should
note, that as MBBS International graduates, you will potentially not
be able to complete the first year of foundation training in the UK leading to full registration, as under prevailing UK immigration rules you may not be able to get a work permit."



This post has been edited by podrunner: Aug 30 2012, 08:09 AM

Good to know another pathway but for a high cost education its better to exercise caution.

As a Malaysian, I would prefer one that is at least recognised by our own gomen.

Yeah, for traditional courses, we prefer traditional and recognised universities. Or I'm just plain old- fashioned.

they will be img's, but since it is gmc recognised, probably need not sit for the plab....

for non eu residents, they will have to fight with the sub-continent imgs for places...

the question is, what happens if a british graduate with this degree.....what happens.....

If I am not mistaken, this is only for international students.

Hey people, is Physics important for studying medicine? I just dropped Physics in A Level but I'm worried that I will need it later when I study medicine. Should I take it instead of Biology or I have to study both? Also, what should I do when I have a gap between going to university? I want to go to Monash Sunway but I will be finishing my A Levels in July next year. Should I go read medical books/work in clinics (how exactly do people get work experience in hosptials?)/ or should I improve my English/rest aka sleep everyday? Please someone help me I'm very clueless.

where are you doing your A levels? if you've done physics up to AS, that should suffice. get the basic idea of pressure, water potential gradients, etc

TO a certain extent, it is. Physics is one of the basic fundamentals to human physiology. Though I would doubt any sane medical school would test it to a great deal. You can drop it in lieu of Bio (assuming the other two subjects should be Chem and Maths). I have plenty of friends who did so and managed to get into medicine. However, Physics will give you a better edge if you score, it looks a lot nicer of 4 flats than 3As. During the 7 months you have, what to do is entirely up to you. You could do all of those you suggested as above. You could get a job or something. It's entirely up to you. Work experience in hospitals is not as "work" per se. If you do not have a background of basic medical knowledge, I highly doubt that it'll help much, it'll open your eyes towards the life of a doctor, certainly.

I'm doing A Levels in Taylor's Sri Hartamas. I am just really scared that it's important because that's what my lecturer keep telling me. They said that in medical school people actually wants students that have studied physics because it's really important. He said that apparently Biology is not important because you can just read up anytime. (I really like studying Biology that's why I choose to study medicine- is this a legit reason??) I'm struggling to grasp those Physics concepts though dropping Biology will definitely give me time to catch up. And yes, the other two subjects are Chemistry and Maths. I don't have any problem with these two subjects yet (hopefully never haha). My real question is how can I get this "work experience"? Do clinics hire A-levels people to "test the water"?? Won't I be very annoying and disturbing to the normal operation of the place? The main reason that I want to have a "hospital experience" is because it'll look good on my application, can I just email the hospital and enquire? Do people do that?

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Added on September 2, 2012, 12:46 amPs: How do people prepare for the ISAT? Apparently Monash Sunway requires it can somebody tell me more about it?

This post has been edited by wringgle: Sep 2 2012, 12:46 AM

well, i'm guessing you like the physiology and biochem parts of biology. as you may have already noticed in A2 you'll learn the bigger aspects of biology like natural selection, biodiversity, crop plants, etc which has near NOTHING to do with medicine. but its good that you like biology, which probably means you like reading and you are looking for a career which involves life long learning. what your teacher says isnt actually true, i know plenty of medical students who took bio chem maths and for their fourth subject they take either psychology, economics (me included), english literature and to a certain extent history or accounting. but there is no doubt a sound foundation in physics would help in the long term later on in your pre-clinical years.

its quite difficult to get work experience here in malaysia for medical students, it'll take a looooong time for you to get a placement if you use the proper way of sending a formal letter to a government hospital. private hospitals are too tedious when it comes to protocols. i did mine in a government hospital in a rural part of town, they've been known to be more cooperative. it also helps if you already know a doctor, that way you could just ask him/her to settle a placement so you wont have to wait so long. its better to do your work experience at a hospital than at a clinic, you'll get to see a wider variety of cases (depends on which ward you are attached to) and you will get to experience the ever tiring life of a doctor.

Thank you for your fast reply. Unfortunately no one in my family is a doctor so that means I have no connections at all. I don't mind the wait but are you sure they'll allow an A Level student to walk around the hospital if I try applying for it? Also, mind telling me what rural part of town was it? Another question, If I study medicine and graduate from Monash Malaysia is there any chance of me working in the United States? Like can I take the USMLE? I want to do postgraduate training or subspecialty and I know that since the Malaysian healthcare system is chaotic there is basically no chance for me to have this kind of opportunity here. My dream is to do go into OBGYN. I know that it might seem like it's too early to think of this but I just want to be clear on what to expect. Hope someone can enlighten me on this too.

i did my attachment in terengganu which is a far way from sri hartamas
i'm not sure about that because monash malaysia isnt exactly monash australia. if you want to work in the states i suggest you try applying for IMU's partner medical school twinning programmes. you can complete your clinical years in the US/UK/Australia and you would have a better chance of working overseas.

hospitals do allow A level students to come and do their work experiences, it's just a matter of which hospital would have the time to entertain you. you have to remember that hospitals are a busy place.

O&G u can take MRCOG which is recognized by Malaysia.. In MY, only MRCP, MRCPCH, MRCOG are recognized..

So u can go any uni in MY and then take MRCOG.. passed n woola, u're O&G specialist.. hehe

But mind u, O&G has very high medicolegal prob..

Let's put it this way. Most of the things in A-levels will help you in your future. It doesn't matter it's Bio, Physics, Chem or Maths. It is your basic solid foundation to scientific knowledge. It won't be directly linked to your medical studies directly, but my experience has been that it does help by somehow helping me to understand. For example, biology in A-levels helped me get through those mitosis, gene expression selection and etc. Now, I learn what goes wrong with them (mutatations) and how it has an effect on the body. Physics helped me learn cardiovascular physiology. Most importantly, check the pre-requisits for entry to the uni. If they ask for physics, and you don't have it, then they won't be sorry.

"Test the water"? Honestly, I don't see how an A-levels person can "test" by "working" in hospital. All you get to is an insight to what doctors do. Not how they do it (thought process) or their stressors. Some doctors would welcome you for a week or so, letting you wittness consultations, surgeries and so on but yeah, sometimes you do feel in the way of normal operational procedures.

Medicine is more than liking biology. If that is your sole cause of wanting to enter medicine, please think thouroughly. It is not cheap, it is not short. It requires much more than your liking of biology. Essentially, on the surface, it is biology, but deep down, it is so much more. As an example, you need to be socially adapt enough to deal with distressed patients (especially in exam settings, since we're students). You'd need to be able to balance your time well between play and studies. THink about this. What can studying medicine do to satisfy you instead of you studying some orther Bachelor of Science (Biology) courses, or maybe vet? Or other courses.

Doing biology will help u understand those mitosis stuff but when u're working, who cares about mitosis all those stuff?!

In your clinical years, ur examiner wont ask u about mitosis as well..

In your HO training, it's totally diff story.. so A-Level or STPM subjects are useless when u go into clinical years and beyond.. unless u wanna do research when u graduate la..

What is the HO population like in SGH? Was there a few times last couple of months, and I got the impression that there are LOTS, and even lots more med students milling about. Some med students were observed to be really keen on learning, but noticed a few who were more keen on their smartphones WHEN things were being explained to them! I felt more uncomfortable than them.

When I was in SGH, quite a number of HO.. can say like 10 in a ward or so.. I have not seen any of my friends did that during my med school time.. maybe now things have changed.. lol

or maybe they r searching internet for info..

Not when working, I agree.

But if you do not understand mitosis, how things can potentially go wrong, you wouldn't be able to understand how genetic mutations affect the cell.

It may not be the fact that its used directly in your working years, but fundamental knowledge is there for a reason. That is why most unis will have basic medical sciences as their first year curriculum.

Furthermore, if you've forgotten, medical students do need those knowledge to pass their exams.

P/S: For ISAT, the example questions are way easier than the actual exam, do not use them as gauge. The exam will be 3 hours long and therefore be mentally prepared. I lost my concentration 2hours in and it affected my score. As far as I know, there are no test papers around to practise.

This post has been edited by D_s_X: Sep 2 2012, 03:50 PM

(Hope limeuu can shed some light onto this)

I was surfing through the internet and browse through some specialists' CV in some private medical centres in Malaysia. To my surprise there were a lot of doctors, graduated from UM, worked most (except fellowship) of their career in Malaysia, are able to obtain FRCS (for whatever surgery it is) eventually, and most of them obtain their FRCS at about 6th year out!

How is that possible? Ie graduated in 1987, FRCSOpth 1993. Fully registered with GMC and MMC.