My comments above is specifically in reference to the status of numed students......international students in uk is a different matter.....

the two has NO bearing on ability to undertake work in uk leading to specialist certification.

That is incorrect....all pms students are elligible to undertake the 2 year fy work...

that is not necessarily correct....it will depend on getting into a ST or CT job...

i think it is important to note that, once you are out from the system (ie, did not go through the fy), it is almost impossible to get back into the system from outside.....remember, you are a foreigner there....

there is no problem studying medicine in msia (standards, quality of students and costs aside)....if you only want to work in msia....

the problem is, many people wants to leave msia....

it's the same thing.....'having a choice to work elsewhere other than Malaysia' IS wanting to leave....

msian med schools are not up to adequate standards to be recognised elsewhere....except for um/ukm by spore, and pre-1989 um graduates by gmc.....

how does getting a housemanship job equate to 'internship training is still not that bad here'.....?

there in lies the difference in perspective about how doctors are trained, in sharp contrast to all other professions...

we look at wonder at the successful ones, in any profession.....the one in thousands who become ceo/coo/cfos.....or the one in a million lim goh tong....

but we (ie the lay population, patients, the medical profession) expect every one of the doctors to be competent and 'successful'...

but there is another big difference....the lay population also look for the prima-donna amongst doctors, (the 'best' cardiologist, plastic surgeon, etc).....but the profession wants all their brothers to be competent, team players, mentors.....NOT prima-donnas.....

http://mmc.gov.my/v1/index.php?option=com_...d=70&Itemid=109

he means subspecialising after general specialisation...not after being a gp....

this is the british system....the americans, and some europeans do it differently....they dive straight into sub- and super-specialisation immediately....

i think it is a tall order...to enter a course of study, and already thinking of sitting for qualifying exams to work elsewhere....

st andrews does not have a clinical school....and they feed their clinical students to manchester....(historically, used to send them to dundee).....

manchester

judging by the usual number of internationals/msian, that seems like a disproportionate number of msians doing resits?.....

true to trend, msian scholarship students have a disproportionate attrition rate....this is seen in several 'independent' medical schools....and is a well observed phenomena...

Unfortunately, training doctors is NOT the same as an assembly line making cars.....

It is still very much an apprentiseship.....

Therefore, there is an optimal capacity for apprentiseship training, depending on the size of trainers available.....

Also, the quality of humans follow a gaussian curve.....unlike the quality of steel, which can be consistent....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 19 2013, 10:10 PM

nothing to do with competency....

generally, doctors in uk earn more than the equivalent doctors in msia.....

however, as is the usual case in more developed economies, the range of income is narrow in uk.....so the consultants do not earn very much more junior doctors....as said, there is limited private practice in uk, usually in the setting of a full time nhs consultant with some private practice sessions....

on the other hand, msia doctors are paid poorly in the gov.....but when a doctor leaves for private practice, the income jumps.....and people sees the tip of the iceberg successful specialists and thinks all doctors earn like that...

yes indeed, the successful private msian specialists do earn MORE than the nhs consultants.....but that would be comparing an outlier with the mean.....

and like pod said, in the uk, it's not the money usually (in fact, beyond a certain amount, you rather not work any more, as the tax man will take most of it), but quality of life, professional satisfaction, confortable lifestyle etc....

unlike the average (mostly non-malay) msian, not having to save a fortune to finance your children's education and future takes a big load off the average british doctor's financial commitment....removing the main engine that drives the msian doctors...

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 20 2013, 12:10 AM

glamorous?.....whatever gave you that idea.....

how is that 'glamorous'?....

and it is true isn't it?.....the way medical students are selected in the uk and in private med schools in msia?.....

you are one very confused person...

you are talking about a phenomena inherent in any country where there is a significant diaspora in developed countries.....similar attitudes exist in india, the phillipines, to give 2 examples....

and it applies to all jobs, so why are you making it a specific issue with doctors....in a medical student thread?....

nobody here is saying that....you came and said it yourself, and now extrapolate it to 'everybody'.....

because it's not about money.....

you are seeing this from purely a bottom line point of view...

if you cannot see beyond that, it means you have not thought through all aspects of education, politics, career development and socioeconomics......so if you cannot see it, just ask your brother to do imu local, and stay and work in msia....and earn more money than uk nhs consultants.....

statistically, 4% of all a levels students gets 3a*....no statistics for 4a*, as uk unis only require 3 principles.....

therefore, getting 3a* is relatively easy, and therefore, a lot of students have the same result.....therefore selection is based on criteria other than pure academic results...in fact, offers are made on condition of only a*aa....which means the selection pool may be as much as the top 12% of all students.....a very big group of applicants.....