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post Jun 1 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Fazz @ Jun 1 2012, 11:42 AM)
guys, i'm thinking of switching to SIII because of unresolved issue with Nokia Care for the phone.

but before that, i would like to ask here, who knows u guys might know sumthing Nokia guys don't.

(sorry if it already asked before, the post is too much for me to read 1 by 1 and i'm running out of time, since there is a limited time offer for SIII)

1. file transfer via bluetooth; esp. the pictures taken by lumia 800, how to bluetooth to a person next to you using SII? Nokia guys said that i have to skydrive it first then let the receiver donlod it back. that's twice the job. they said this is because they want to avoid phone user from getting a virus via bluetooth transferring.

2. contacts synching without duplicating existing; i have 2 phone, 1 is Nokia E63 n since its qwerty type where i used for sms'ing. i oso always update my biz contact there, a dozen per week, bcoz easier to type (esp. while driving tongue.gif). the problem is when i want to update my contact in L800. i cant simply transfer contact because it will duplicate all my existing contact. is there a synching solution to let lumia update my contact rather than transfer.

3. email file attachment; i press attach but i can't find my excel file. all it shows is from my images folder. how to select my excel file to attach? and why is it when i forward an email with an attachment, my partner doesn't receive the attachment file? only the email.

any idea guys? PM me, dont juz post it here, i'm not always online here sad.gif

tq in advance.
update: solved the first part of the 3rd issue.  thumbup.gif
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1. You can't send files via bluetooth. It's has pretty much the same limitation and restriction with iPhone, where you can't send files via bluetooth, you can't access your internal storage from PC, no file browser, need to use software called Zune to transfer media files (e.g. same like iTunes), etc.
The virus thing is an excuse; this is what happen when you ask people why this cannot, that cannot and they have to give a reason. If so, then why don't prevent you from downloading files, better use dumbphone.

2. If not wrong, it will auto-merge similar contacts (based on specific matching conditions).
However there's a limitation your contact cannot have 2 mobile phone number ** but there's a workaround it which you need to do manually.
There's also another possible problem when using Nokia Contacts Transfer, which generated empty contacts; not sure is it already fix in new version. The problem? There is no multi-select option, so delete the long list of empty contacts is crazy.
The contacts will also be sync to your MSN; you can manage it easier from there (as Zune softwaredoesn't have Contacts Management built-in , and I think there's no PC software for this.)

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Jul 11 2012, 05:12 PM)
Wah, price drop so much edi but still not many new users hmm.gif . Scary for  Nokia....
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MS need to loosen up and remove the restrictions for Windows Phone.
It's too much controlled and restricted like iPhone, and that's not a smartphone nature.

They're basically killing Nokia day-by-day.

QUOTE(slickz @ Jul 11 2012, 08:54 PM)
UGH SAKIT HATIIIIII I just contributed RM500 for the phone as a gift ! sad.gif

btw I dont see camera extras in the nokia collection. WHy is this the case?? I see only nokia maps etc in malay sad.gif


Added on July 11, 2012, 9:07 pmNevermind; I know it's not yet out.

On the other hand Nokia's Creative Studio app is out!
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Creative Studio is available since long ago.

Camera Extras if not wrong is available currently only for specific region.
Another main issues for Windows Phone, they need to revise their apps and games restriction and control, and also the price.

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QUOTE(Fazz @ Jul 12 2012, 02:13 PM)
hey, it's me again!

sumone knows how to exported out contacts from lumia 800 to another email?

i'm ending my favors in nokia, haven't been able to sync to my live account .my contacts info is 5 month behind which is 417 new contacts n 712 online information.. yes, i counted it 1 by 1.

i'll proceed on using blackberry and my old e63. summore just bought galaxy tab. but i need the contacts synced, not copying 1 by 1 the contact info..urghh.  mad.gif
edited: just got off the phone with nokia cs, still not resolved. that's the 19th time they called; not including the voice msg they left me when i'm not answering  vmad.gif they got a policy that; shud a problem get sent to level 3 technical, cs will call u every 24 hrs to update.  shakehead.gif

i dissapointed oledi, using E63 is much more better. coupled with blackberry n galaxy tab. all is there. but first i need to manually copy my 417 contacts info.
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It's more like Microsoft, perhaps they don't encourage or don't want people to switch to other platforms rolleyes.gif
Thus making it "difficult" to do so, but to join them is very easy.

QUOTE(izam7 @ Jul 12 2012, 05:09 PM)
hi guys...
just got brand new lumia 800 white color from gnex.
It's only for rm975  rclxm9.gif

Last time, I almost got used set one around rm1000
before cancel after heard no WP8 upgrade for this phone.
Suddenly knew about this price slash.
Can't really hold myself to get one  tongue.gif

My question, do u guys prefer malaysia marketplace or the singapore one?
I've read through all the comments here and it seem a lot of disadvantages of malaysia market
ie apps availability , malay language usage, updates late etc...

as for me, i prefer the malaysian one as long as the important apps ie fb,whatapps, angry birds
is there.any comments?
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What's the purpose you prefer Malaysian market? Just to feel happy?

The Market is not done well, Microsoft need to fix these problems, many people have complain and unhappy with the Market control, restrictions, policy. Firstly, what's the purpose of them controlling the app by region? Is there really a need to? Unless it's illegal or something... Why make things so inconvenient and annoying for Customers?
Another issue is the pricing.


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post Jul 16 2012, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Fazz @ Jul 13 2012, 10:31 AM)
how does it affected? i'm a software engineer.and from my knowledge, that is not suppose to be affected by each other devices since they were proprietary to themself as the user set them. well, maybe my knowledge were so far behind then. although, my wp7 followed the date & time from my notebook. only maybe a few seconds lapse.

but the issues here is between the live account; u know, the 1 hosted by Microsoft MSN somewhere on the internet where it is hard to call them and ask what is the date & time currently on the server.  biggrin.gif
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Software Engineer, then you'll be surprise how MS designed the database for their contacts. Shocking... 1 Mobile Number for 1 Live Account. Shocking. As a contacts database, these kind of design is epic fail, cannot imagine how come they can come up with such design, and MS should know very well about database design.

It seems like they just hire some fresh grad and let them handle this project. Even fresh grad should know, this is more like design by someone without doing proper analysis and design and couldn't care less about database design.
Database is like the backbone of the system, now that the design is already done and it's bad, everyone is using, to fix this will be a big change and problem.

Just hope they have fix this in Windows Phone 8; especially since it cannot be upgraded, so it should be a good place to start with a good structure.

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QUOTE(qoo @ Jul 17 2012, 01:43 PM)
Heya, I'm looking for Lumia 800 low price. Won't mind if it is second or third hand. Please PM me.

Some question,
1)I know WP have their own app and stores, is it good? Esp the games? I currently using android v2.3.6. Some photo app, notes app, engineering app is very useful for my daily life.

Been hearing alot about lumia, I think it is a great phone. smile.gif
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Make sure you find out the weakness or disadvantage first to avoid dissapointment, or frustration that may lead or end to selling it off.

Basically, it's very unlike any typical smartphone, it's more like a media phone like iPhone, it's very restrictive, and have many limitations; e.g. no bluetooth file transfer, no access to internal storage, no screen capture, etc. Basically, it's very unlike any other typical smartphone, not even like the a Windows Mobile, it's more locked down and restrictive.

But if those are NOT your concern and you don't bother or mind those, then this is a VERY GOOD phone, it's smooth and stable, and best part, it has one of the best Social Networking Services Integration. If you use Facebook a lot, this will definitely please you as it's very well integrated and you can read the feeds offline. It's one of the feature that's very detailed and very well done.


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QUOTE(Fazz @ Jul 19 2012, 12:52 PM)
where is nokia center near to meru?

i now know the reason my l800 can't sync to live account. it's becoz the hotmail apps for the live id didn't exist or deleted, although, nokia claims the account used for ur phone id can't be deleted..so, how is this possible?

have to go to nokia center for a quick check up..


Added on July 19, 2012, 12:52 pmwhere is nokia center near to meru?

i now know the reason my l800 can't sync to live account. it's becoz the hotmail apps for the live id didn't exist or deleted, although, nokia claims the account used for ur phone id can't be deleted..so, how is this possible?

have to go to nokia center for a quick check up..
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You mean Nokia Care?
You can try the one in PJ or One Utama Shopping Mall.

Yes, it's that stupid. The first Live ID you input will automatically become the PRIMARY ID and you cannot remove or switch. To remove you need to reset the phone.

Hence, why I said, this is so NOT Microsoft and how a company with many years of experience with software would have done. It's like this project is done by some non-experience fresh graduate without much design considerations, or it reminds me of Foxxy Conn...
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QUOTE(monocle @ Jul 29 2012, 08:55 PM)
u can keep the outer part of the sim after they cut.it out..
just use that for other normal sim phones
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Careful with cut micro-SIM, any sharp or uneven edges may scratch and damages the SIM reader in the phone and result in needing to replace entire board.

QUOTE(kyoshilang @ Jul 29 2012, 10:17 PM)
u can get telco centre to cut ur sim using their tool which will leave u with a kinda adapter for ur microsim once it is cutted so it can still be used on normal phones


Added on July 29, 2012, 10:18 pm
yep, all are done on phone, none of my ringtones are made on pc
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If you use the cut version as adapter, it's not even and can get stuck for sliding type sim (those click in and click out).


QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 30 2012, 07:28 AM)
just make sure the phone you are putting back do not have the sliding type or else it might get stuck in the phone due to the card not even.
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Proper microsim Adapter is OK, it can hold evenly and stick properly; Not sure how many type microsim Adapter available. Some maybe not a proper type.

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 31 2012, 06:48 AM)
get stuck in another phone with the microsim adapter is priceless
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If use cut adapter, highly possible.


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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Jul 31 2012, 03:09 PM)
But that's the only solution right?
Your 1st line....u mean the micro sim alone after cutting even without the adapter on? Then it's better to register a whole new microsim?

Ok so I guess get a better adapter? A good 1 costs how much?
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Yes, if you cut the micro-SIM, there can be sharp edges and uneven edges; For those slide in SIM type, you're sliding the micro-SIM in and out.... so it might scratch and damage the reader part in the phone. There's also problems like the micro-SIM was slightly bent due to cut and malfunction one day, happens on the Nokia N9 for several users.

The advice is to get a proper new micro-SIM. Simple concept, cut-and-join wire is better or get a proper new wire? When you cut, it's not a proper way and there is risk involved. Of course, because most people never have problem they may not feel it, some may have cut and use many many micro-SIM and have no problems, while some first time already bad luck. But reality is, many people, only when the thing happen to them, they will feel it and start to warn others.


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QUOTE(s7ran9er @ Aug 1 2012, 02:03 PM)
I suspect my phone to have this problem when I first cut my prepaid simcard.
what kind of symptoms happen when the reader is damaged?
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If really damaged, then your phone will not be able to read any sim card.

If sometimes fail to read, then you need to check and test whether it's the sim card or the reader problem.

QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Aug 1 2012, 04:08 PM)
So I guess I'll apply a new micro-sim, Maxis selling at what price? Same as normal sim?

Then I'll get an adapter, since my backup phone is a cheap old phone. Spoil also nevermind lah. tongue.gif

Wait, can the adapter damage the micro-sim? Or the risk is just on the phone that u put the adapter in which is the cikai fon?
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Maxis is RM25 if not wrong, but not sure how my friend got it for FREE, possible because he took up the plan with phone which require micro-SIM.

Adapter won't damage the micro-SIM, UNLESS maybe you bent the micro-SIM when trying to fit in the adapter?
Another issue you need to worry is those phone which use SLIDE-IN and click type SIM, if you're using adapter which does not hold the micro-SIM properly (usually DIY one using tape), your SIM card might get stuck and risk to scratching the reader part if you force it in or out.


QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 1 2012, 05:52 PM)
Hi, may I know if we buy a new microsim. Does it mean I have to subscribe to a new mobile data? A new hp no? Thank you smile.gif
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No need. Just go to Telco and request to change to micro-SIM, will charge you a little.

Telcos in shopping malls opens everyday including weekend. (e.g. Sunway Pyramid)


QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 2 2012, 10:05 PM)
So, from the previous comments in this post, it will be better NOT to have the sim card cut right? So, it will be better to buy an adapter?

Adapter just seems like the cut-out part of normal sim card? So, the advantage of using an adapter is less chances of damaging the microsim? How much does it cost for an adapter a?

I have another "sim card" sticks on my phone's sim card. It is for bank usage. So, if I'm going to have a microsim, I wouldn't be able to get the bank service on my phone right? Does it mean I should opt to cut the sim card? Or cutting it wouldn't help either?

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Yes, definitely. CUT means not proper, just like if you cut-and-join wires. Though, not everyone face problems, only those unlucky ones, similarly, cut-and-join wires also not everyone have problem. But why cut when you can replace easily and at very little cost? Unless it's emergency or temporary.
So, the better advice is surely to use a proper one than cut, after all, cutting involves risk.

QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 2 2012, 11:14 PM)
So, it doesn't matter I cut or I buy a new sim card, I will still need to buy an adapter to use it as a normal sim? Or I can actually use the cut out part of the normal sim card and fix it back to use as a normal sim card (Just reread the comments and I think this is possible but it is risky right)?

For the bank service, it's actually like a sticker which has the same size as normal sim card. Only when I stick the "sticker" on my sim card, the service will be available, which means I can access my bank account using just my phone. And I was told that the sticker is only for one-time usage, which means I can't take out and stick to another sim card.

So, will it be bbetter to have the sim card cut in my case? Or cutting the sim card would not help either?

Thank you smile.gif
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Some people, after they cut, they keep the left-over to be use as adapter, but it's not advisable IF you're using the micro-SIM on those SLIDE-in-out and click type SIM phone. Nonetheless, even you cut the micro-SIM, you notice that the edges may be sharp and unevent, so there's also risk when you slide the micro-SIM inside the Lumia or those micro-SIM phone which requires sliding the micro-SIM in and out. Another problem is the micro-SIM may be slightly bent and eventually the micro-SIM failed. It may not happen immediately and don't know when will happen. If you're really unlucky, and the micro-SIM fail when you have something really important... then how? E.g. emergency situations, the micro-SIM failed! I know not many people are unlucky people, so they may not able to imagine these situations, but for those who often faces unlucky situations, they will understand and easily imagine all sorts of conditions.

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QUOTE(lisahasan @ Aug 4 2012, 12:26 AM)
damage ? stuck ?

before dis, i use my microsim then put in the adapter. put some tape round it so dat it wont slip out from the adapter. coz if it slip or move it, it will stuck in the sim tray. then after put some tape. cellotape. then used in my tab 7+, bold4, xperia u and torch 9860. no stuck and no damage at all. dats y i said dun understand, why u guys keep mentioning bout stuck & damage. i never change to new normal sim card. until i lost my old sim card, which microsim+adapter
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Hence, my reply I said, it doesn't happen to everyone and not everyone can understand until it happen to them. Anyway, doesn't happen to 1 person doesn't mean it won't and never happen. It's just a precaution and advice to give to others.
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QUOTE(lisahasan @ Aug 9 2012, 08:25 PM)
i just like simple. like plug n play. wat i can say, tech got pros n cons
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Zune is not tech, that's call limitations and restrictions, removing flexibility and freedom from users; Which is what iPhone did.
I'm shocked when I found Microsoft use the same dirty tricks and I still can't believe it until today. Microsoft was never like this, the Windows Phone seems like different from what Microsoft usually do and it's like copy-iPhone-too-much.
Software for transferring files is ok, but not removing user's priviledge to access the drive or other options.
This makes Windows Phone doesn't look like a smartphone, but a media player, same like iPhone. Some proprietary media player, they don't allow you to access the drive/storage, you must use their media transfer software. (e.g. iPod, Microsoft Zune Player, etc); then again, iPhone is an iPod Touch with added phone functionality, so WP7 is also like a Zune Player with added phone functionality... but then, most people don't care, what's important to most people is simplicity, smoothness, speed, and the most important of all, applications and games.
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QUOTE(lisahasan @ Aug 10 2012, 12:14 PM)
im not saying zune is tech  doh.gif

what im saying is, the gadget itself. like lumia 800. got pros n cons. simplest n smoothness. but need software to transferring. like iphone. if android, easy transferring by plug n play but dun like the customization. u get me ?

means dat, tech got pros n cons. no such perfect in the world. at the same time, human dat make the tech. human also not perfect, then how the tech gonna be perfect ?!
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It's not tech also, it's whether Microsoft choose to follow iPhone or allow access. Software are not like hardware, the current limitation are not hardware limitation, it's Microsoft decision to restrict and limit what user can do.
Don't like customization, then don't customize is very simple. But if they don't provide, means something is missing.

The simplicity and smoothness is good, but there's no need to follow what iPhone did like locking down the OS, no file manager, no mass storage access, reliance on Zune, no bluetooth file transfer, etc.
If Windows Phone wants to be successful, Microsoft needs to remove all these limitations and restrictions and provide what a proper smartphone should offer. What they did now is just very not Microsoft and turning many people down; If they truly meant putting people first in their slogan, then they should at least listen to people's demand. The Bluetooth File Transfer feature is requested for since so long ago in Windows Phone request site.

Anyway, Windows Phone have the potential but most of the drawbacks is what they copied blindly on iPhone; It feels like some top management sees iPhone is very successful, then ask the team to create something like iPhone, and the team just follow and copy everything blindly instead of taking the good and dropping the bad.
Just imagine if Windows Phone without these restrictions and limitations? It would've been very successful before even now. Many people are being turned off by the restrictions and limitations.

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QUOTE(David900924 @ Aug 28 2012, 04:18 PM)
I never heard battery life span will increase as you keep charging. I believe you should not use phone for gaming, else you have to charge battery more often and that will decrease the life span.

For gaming, it only last me 3-5 hours from full charge battery,

For normal usage like wifi on (24hr) and calling (less than 2 hours a day), sms (less than 4 hours a day), checking phone and emails every half n hour. can last me thru nearly 3 days.
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Modern batteries are different, and you should avoid letting the battery running low until the phone turn off frequently.

Actually, it's not new anymore, it's old news. You can google about these modern battery like Li-Ion, Li-Poly. There're test also, between 2 different usage, one heavy use and frequent charging, while another uses traditional way of usage and charging; The difference is quite obvious after some time, the frequent charging gives longer usage.
The test was done using N95, it's been so long ago.

Plus, it's not those traditional battery where you need to run down the battery only charge. Modern batteries, you can charge anytime, and when full it will cut off the supply and usually will not charge until the battery drops to certain percentage. So, just charge everyday.
My previous N900, my usage was very heavy, 1 day needs to charge more than once. It's been over 2 years now, easily over 500 charge cycles... (1 charge cycle, means 100% usage, not how many times you charge; e.g. you use 30% you charge, it's not 1 cycle, it's only 30% of 1 charge cycle).
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QUOTE(David900924 @ Aug 29 2012, 04:58 PM)
thx for the infos, really a good read  thumbup.gif

I only talk from my experience in my nokia n82 (4-5 years old) and cheap nokia (6 years old) and also laptop batteries. I always charging them when they reach 30-40%, after 2 and half year, the battery become less power and only can last 1 n half day instead of 7 days. I only talking about original battery. coz I know my friend who use imitation battery and it only last 6 months before bcome less power.
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If not wrong, N82 is using Li-Ion battery already.

Typical Li-Ion battery lifespan is estimated for 350~500 charge cycle. If your battery lifespan is near, surely it will become less power or weaker.
For simple calculation, just imagine if the usage is 100% per day, so 1 day 1 charge cycle.
365 days = 365 Charge Cycle.
Previous my N900, can say I use over 100% almost everyday, I charge it everyday, even in office. It's already over 2 years, the battery is weaker of course, but still working fine. To calculate, it's easily over the estimated 500 charge cycle lifespan; even if it failed/died one day, it's well utilized and worth it.

Back then long ago, when Li-Ion was still quite new, I have the Motorola MPX200, around year 2002/2003 can't remember. I didn't really charge it and end up the phone always auto-turned off due to low battery. You can still turn on because there is reserved power (which is actually also to PROTECT the battery from damage)... I didn't know about Li-Ion back then and always use the phone until auto-turn off due to low power.... One day, suddenly the battery stop working, refuse to charge.... Send to Motorola, the battery voltage already drop and can no longer be use. Best part, it's just after 6 months... just nice for the battery warranty to end.
After that, did some googling and reading on some forums only learn about these new modern batteries.

Modern battery also don't need these "first time 8 hours charge" and stuffs. You can even use the phone immediately after purchase.

This is one site which provide a lot of information for batteries:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article...based_batteries
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Aug 30 2012, 09:48 AM)
Many shops still remind their customers to charge 8 hours
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Haha, yaya, typical.
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Some good news.... Bluetooth media file transfer~:
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/11/...ia-smartphones/



 

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