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hwt
post May 25 2012, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(eugene90 @ May 25 2012, 10:07 AM)
hopefully the operator can keep the fare below Rm100 for a 2 way ticket.
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Let's says there are ten departures from KL to Singapore everyday, and ten in the opposite direction. Each carries an average of 200 passengers. Each passenger pays 50 MYR one way.

50 MYR/passenger x 200 passengers/train x 20 trains/day x 365 days/year x 10 years = 0.730b MYR

Assuming the cost of construction, equipment and ten years of operation is only 5b MYR, which is already a grossly underestimated figure, it takes about 68 years to recoup that cost. Inclusive of interest, and by making the figure a little more realistic, and assuming it is run without profit, it should probably be at least 20b MYR, which takes 272 years to recoup. To recoup it in 27.2 years, which is possibly more reasonable, the ticket price may have to be multiplied by ten, making it 500 MYR/passenger one way.

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post May 25 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 10:40 AM)
This comparison is not valid.

The proposed high speed line do not only serve KL, but possibly Seremban, Melaka, northern Johor towns, as well as JB before reaching Singapore.
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I think it may not be too far off. It will have to compete with ETS for short-distance travellers. I suppose its tickets cannot be cheaper than those of ETS. The shorter the distance, the less time is saved. The less time saved, the less extra money people will be willing to pay. Besides, if a passenger travels from Melaka to Johor Baru, the seat most likely will be vacant from Kuala Lumpur to Melaka, and Johor Baru to Singapore.

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post May 25 2012, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 12:07 PM)
KL-Singapore by train only 90 minutes and then, the station is at the heart of city, unlike LCCT and Changi.
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Actually, many companies are no longer located in the city center these days. For Singapore, many are located in Ubi (near airport), Changi (near airport), Tampines (near airport), Ang Mo Kio (reasonably close to JB), Jurong East (close to Malaysia), Boon Lay (close to Malaysia), Tuas (close to Malaysia). Less than half of my work life so far was spent in a city office. As for residents, most stay outside the city center.
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post May 25 2012, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 12:12 PM)
Plane fare is not cheap.

Just go to AirAsia, want to buy today ticket to Singapore, close to RM 200 (tax excluded)

Then, if tomorrow, still easily RM 120 (without tax too).

Taiwan can do it at RM 149, Taipei to Kaohsiung.

What about airport access time (from KL to LCCT), which often takes close to an hour?
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The Taiwan high speed rail system is probably heavily subsidized by the government. According to reports, it almost went into bankruptcy after operating for two years, and was subsequently taken over by the government.

Near-bankruptcy of the Taiwan High Speed Rail Corporation: What Went Wrong?
International Journal of Business and Management
Peter YU Kien-hong
School of Business and Design, Swinburne University of Technology
Jalan Simpang Tiga 93350 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
http://ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/ijbm/.../view/6370/6325

A government probably has to be ready to bail out a private high-speed rail system when necessary. I do not mean such a system should not be built, as it has obvious benefits. It is just that the government needs to have the money even if it is started as a private project.

Some countries are facing problems with their high speed railways
Posted by Andrew Bodman on July 12, 2011
http://stophs2.org/news/2719-countries-hsr...-speed-railways

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post May 26 2012, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ May 25 2012, 05:18 PM)
as passengers at KLIA had to foot the ERL from the ticket even if they don't use the ERL!
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Not sure if this is true. In any case, people are supposed to fund expensive public transport infrastructures, even if they do not use them. If they feel penalized, they can always use the infrastructure that they indirectly fund. This is an acceptable way in some pretty well-run countries. I do not feel anything wrong, if it is used by KLIA and ERL. It is only if doing so increases the airfare, say, from 500 MYR to 1000 MYR, that it becomes a concern. But this has not happened so far.

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post May 28 2012, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(jonn zee @ May 28 2012, 04:08 PM)
BTW i hv to write this, DBKL in the architectural approval procedure for the stations, did in their standard check list, ask for a Perspectif Luaran Bangunan.. kakakakkaka what a joke lah.. and since this is E Submission, the architect is required to submit a *.jpg fi not the submission would be rejected by the server.
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Is a jpg file not suitable for the purpose, or the architect is unable to produce a jpg file?
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post May 28 2012, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(jonn zee @ May 28 2012, 04:31 PM)
the joke is, they r submitting for underground station
how can 1 draw a perspective luaran for underground station?
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May be they want to know how it may look like on the ground? smile.gif

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post May 28 2012, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(jonn zee @ May 28 2012, 04:33 PM)
but since DBKL & all local council had oredi implemented E Submission in their OSC, so must abide by the documents to submit lah. if 1 doc not submitted, the server will reject the submission altogether.
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You can create a jpg file that says "no above ground structure, please refer to .... for cross-sectional view".

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