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Kampung2005
post May 25 2012, 02:53 AM, updated 8y ago

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http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/articl...E3E2E2E2;av=ALL

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政府、新幹線の採用打診 マレーシア・シンガポール高速鉄道
政府はマレーシアとシンガポールが進める高速鉄道の構想について、日本の新幹線技術を採用するよう両国政府に打診した。車両から運行管理まで含むパッケージでの事業計画も検討する。政府は日本企業を後押しするために今年度中に採算の見通しなどを独自に調べる方針。アジア経済の発展を日本の成長に取り込んでいく政府の戦略に沿って官民が連携する。

 野田内閣の意向を踏まえて民主党の仙谷由人政調会長代行が5月上旬に両国を訪れ、マレーシアのナジブ首相、シンガポールのゴー・チョクトン前首相らに伝えた。

 構想によると、高速鉄道は約400キロあるクアラルンプール―シンガポールの両首都間を約1時間半で結ぶ。従来のマレー鉄道では約7時間かかる。クアラルンプール首都圏の人口は700万人強、シンガポールは500万人強で、東南アジア経済の大動脈となる。実現は早くても2020年ごろの見通しだ。

 1時間弱で両都市を結ぶ格安航空と時間、価格の両面で競合するが、搭乗手続きや都心から都心への正味の所要時間を考えれば十分な需要が見込めるという。マレー半島を縦断して両国を訪れる観光への期待もある。

 すでにドイツのシーメンスやカナダのボンバルディアなどの車両メーカーが参入に意欲を示しているという。

 政府は東日本旅客鉄道(JR東日本)や東海旅客鉄道(JR東海)などが受注する場合、国際協力銀行の融資などで支援を検討する。国土交通省は近く採算を調べる企業を公募し、年度内に調査を終える予定だ。

 日本は成長戦略の一環として新幹線の輸出を目指すが競争は厳しい。

 ベトナム政府は首都ハノイと南部のホーチミンを結ぶ南北高速鉄道に日本の新幹線を採用する方向だ。ただ、採算性の問題からベトナム議会が当初案を否決したため修正を検討し、着工は遅れる見通しだ。インドでは高速鉄道を検討する6路線のうち2路線の事前調査を日本勢が実施するが、残りの4路線の事前調査は欧米勢が落札した。


- The Japanese government will conduct its own feasibility studies on KL-Singapore high speed train project

- They want to try to help Japanese firms to enter this project

- One of which, Japanese government may provide financing through JBIC (Japan Bank for International Cooperation) should JR East or JR Central wins the project

- It is estimated that KL-Singapore high speed train line length will be 400 km, journey time of 90 minutes, compared to current rail service which now takes 7 hours

- Greater KL has 7 million people while Singapore has 5 million people

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QUOTE(gnix92 @ May 25 2012, 02:56 AM)
But CSR has higher chances to win the project isn't it cuz currently they are manufacturing the new ktm and new lrt (rumours).
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Not sure, as government keep saying this project is in feasibility study...

However, it seems Japan is willing to try any possible way just to win project, this includes conducting own feasibility study as well as providing financing as well to start project.

Just like what they do for India hmm.gif
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post May 25 2012, 03:01 AM

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QUOTE(kamfoo @ May 25 2012, 02:59 AM)
haha. brain drain train.  no way lor
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Brain drain? Not so.

It will actually keep money flowing more within Malaysia.

This will allow Singaporean companies to set up business subsidiary in KL as KL has lower cost.

It will also help Malacca.
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post May 25 2012, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 03:17 AM)
Japanese bullet train.. SHINKANSEN  blink.gif

r u kidding or what kampung2005 ?? is this for real ??  shocking.gif
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That's what the Nikkei news report said.
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post May 25 2012, 03:28 AM

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QUOTE(jay @ May 25 2012, 03:26 AM)
yea the train is so fast and ppl mountain ppl sea will reach singapore main gate, but one thing for sure, kastam will ruin it all, 1 n half hour reach border, 4~5hour just to get inside sg
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Most likely, if anything, SG station must be in city area.
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post May 25 2012, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ May 25 2012, 03:29 AM)
Not all money will stay in Msia...Most likely you are required to hire a big Japanese contractor to do the work so the money eventually flows back to Japan...that's how they do business, they veli smart wun....


Added on May 25, 2012, 3:31 amAECOM is already studying the JB-Singapore MRT.  This part of it?
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AECOM has been selected to do study on JB-Singapore MRT.

JB-Singapore MRT is unrelated to KL-Singapore high speed line.

I don't mind Japanese contractor, because at the end of the day, we get the high speed line and at the end of the day, you still need local companies as sub contrctor.
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post May 25 2012, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ May 25 2012, 03:29 AM)
Japan feel threaten by Korea already ..

Ukraine already using Hyundai Rotem from Korea for their high speed rail .. already running for the UEFA Euro
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Ah, that one is not high speed train. Those Hyundai Rotem trains (for Ukraine) only 180 km/h.
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post May 25 2012, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ May 25 2012, 03:39 AM)
This will make the rail the first cross border bullet train in the world izzit?
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Nope.

Eurostar (UK/France).
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post May 25 2012, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(Lawolfe @ May 25 2012, 09:15 AM)
wait... who will pilot the shinkansen after they finish build? hmm.gif
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In the case of Taiwan, they hire foreigners in initial stage.
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QUOTE(dplaya @ May 25 2012, 09:13 AM)
Even though I very much like it to happen. But unlikely unless the cost keep balooning non stop.

Example : MRT project, the price keep going up without cap.

2 years ago... It was RM 10 - 12 billions..
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1676280/all

This early year was USD 10 billion
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2251703/all

What's the cost now?
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Take it with a pinch of salt as the feasibility cost is not even completed.

Now the Japanese government want to do own feasibility on KL-SG bullet train project.
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QUOTE(skincladalien @ May 25 2012, 09:22 AM)
i wonder it will be 8-car 10-car or 16-car
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No one knows laugh.gif

If they offer N700, great.
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QUOTE(eugene90 @ May 25 2012, 10:06 AM)
Will Sabah and Sarawak benefit from this project? Will the federal government commit herself to distribute the wealth garnered from this mega project to Sabah and Sarawak? In tawau, Sabah (my hometown), the federal government cannot even provide us continuous electricity and water supply and now they are talking about bullet train and MRT in West Malaysia... Do you see why im butthurt? Mr Kampong (blue blood Sabahan)?
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That is the question of "will".
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 10:18 AM)
I still Bet China will get higher chances.

If Japan build like Taiwan...u need hire Japanese engineer for maintenance...those high position job all are Japanese like Taiwan.  Cost are higher.
China build will cost less and train also cost less.....maintenance also less compare to Japan
BTW, China going coming Malaysia open train factory right?  higher chances they will build the High speed rail
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CSR Zhuzhou plans to build factory in Perak for the production of new Ampang line trains hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hwt @ May 25 2012, 10:21 AM)
Let's says there are ten departures from KL to Singapore everyday, and ten in the opposite direction.  Each carries an average of 200 passengers.  Each passenger pays 50 MYR one way.

50 MYR/passenger x 200 passengers/train x 20 trains/day x 365 days/year x 10 years = 0.730b MYR

Assuming the cost of construction, equipment and ten years of operation is only 5b MYR, which is already a grossly underestimated figure, it takes about 68 years to recoup that cost.  Inclusive of interest, and by making the figure a little more realistic, and assuming it is run without profit, it should probably be at least 20b MYR, which takes 272 years to recoup.  To recoup it in 27.2 years, which is possibly more reasonable, the ticket price may have to be multiplied by ten, making it 500 MYR/passenger one way.
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This comparison is not valid.

The proposed high speed line do not only serve KL, but possibly Seremban, Melaka, northern Johor towns, as well as JB before reaching Singapore.
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QUOTE(eugene90 @ May 25 2012, 10:38 AM)
nice calculation

RM500?! Malaysians say big problem... AA says no problem... Singaporean says no problem ($200)..

So, Singaporean will be taking bullet train to kl, and malaysian will continue flying with AA.
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RM 120 will be appropriate for HSR.

Assuming if a person book flight ticket today to Singapore, it will cost at least RM 181. If tomorrow (also on Airasia), at least RM 108.

Yet, LCCT is far from city, hence the person has to travel on bus (which is quite long), RM 8 or RM 9.

Whereas KL Sentral is within city area.
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 10:42 AM)
Since got factory...might well as build the bullet train...why Malaysia choose China ETS  why not Korea or Japan?  ...because is cheap.

If Malaysia going do bullet train project....do doubt will be China.

Plus China want build bullet train from SIngapore to Bangkok project is more early than Japan wanted to build ....
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Too early to tell when KL-SG HSR is still officially under "feasibility" study.

Siemens wanted to bid for the project if it is confirmed, Japan also interested.

Now Japan government going to involve in pursuing deals in Malaysia hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hwt @ May 25 2012, 10:48 AM)
I think it may not be too far off.  It will have to compete with ETS for short-distance travellers.  I suppose its tickets cannot be cheaper than those of ETS.  The shorter the distance, the less time is saved.  The less time saved, the less extra money people will be willing to pay.  Besides, if a passenger travels from Melaka to Johor Baru, the seat most likely will be vacant from Kuala Lumpur to Melaka, and Johor Baru to Singapore.
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The thing is KTM track in Melaka does not reach into Melaka city, only Batang Melaka or Tampin.

It is rumoured that the HSR may pass nearby urban Melaka.

How fast is ETS compared to high speed train?

KL - Seremban already takes 1 hour. Seremban to Gemas may take at least 1 hour. That means ETS from KL-Gemas (Johor border) already close to 2 hours. Then Gemas-JB about 200 km distance, average speed of 110 km/h...........1.8 hours.

That means KL-JB using ETS will be much longer compared to proposed 90 mins ride of HSR.
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ May 25 2012, 11:16 AM)
I'm against the Shinkansen in m'sia. Because LRT everyday breakdown, heavy rain will have flooding, Monorail got wheels falling off and people getting stuck in doors and mangled, KTM is a a cesspool of crap.

If shinkansen is in m'sia we'll have disasters of epic proportions.
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Different case.

ERL track record is excellent.

Monorail wheel case was way back in 2003, and now we are able to export monorail to India and Brazil.

At the end of the day, when we need it, we should build it.

Besides, it is not as if the bullet train is managed by KTM anyway.

SRT in Thailand is not perfect, but they still able to run Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link with different service level.

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QUOTE(wufei @ May 25 2012, 11:21 AM)
Direct train? How many tracks we need?
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KTM track capacity in Klang Valley going to be maxed out as more frequent Komuter is running in future.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 11:25 AM)
MADE IN CHINA BULLET TRAIN ~ 28 December 2011 .. baru lagi rasanya
japanese engineering is still #1 the best in asia.. face da fact !!  cool2.gif
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That accident was caused by signalling fault, not the train itself.

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