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post May 25 2012, 02:53 AM, updated 8y ago

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http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/articl...E3E2E2E2;av=ALL

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政府、新幹線の採用打診 マレーシア・シンガポール高速鉄道
政府はマレーシアとシンガポールが進める高速鉄道の構想について、日本の新幹線技術を採用するよう両国政府に打診した。車両から運行管理まで含むパッケージでの事業計画も検討する。政府は日本企業を後押しするために今年度中に採算の見通しなどを独自に調べる方針。アジア経済の発展を日本の成長に取り込んでいく政府の戦略に沿って官民が連携する。

 野田内閣の意向を踏まえて民主党の仙谷由人政調会長代行が5月上旬に両国を訪れ、マレーシアのナジブ首相、シンガポールのゴー・チョクトン前首相らに伝えた。

 構想によると、高速鉄道は約400キロあるクアラルンプール―シンガポールの両首都間を約1時間半で結ぶ。従来のマレー鉄道では約7時間かかる。クアラルンプール首都圏の人口は700万人強、シンガポールは500万人強で、東南アジア経済の大動脈となる。実現は早くても2020年ごろの見通しだ。

 1時間弱で両都市を結ぶ格安航空と時間、価格の両面で競合するが、搭乗手続きや都心から都心への正味の所要時間を考えれば十分な需要が見込めるという。マレー半島を縦断して両国を訪れる観光への期待もある。

 すでにドイツのシーメンスやカナダのボンバルディアなどの車両メーカーが参入に意欲を示しているという。

 政府は東日本旅客鉄道(JR東日本)や東海旅客鉄道(JR東海)などが受注する場合、国際協力銀行の融資などで支援を検討する。国土交通省は近く採算を調べる企業を公募し、年度内に調査を終える予定だ。

 日本は成長戦略の一環として新幹線の輸出を目指すが競争は厳しい。

 ベトナム政府は首都ハノイと南部のホーチミンを結ぶ南北高速鉄道に日本の新幹線を採用する方向だ。ただ、採算性の問題からベトナム議会が当初案を否決したため修正を検討し、着工は遅れる見通しだ。インドでは高速鉄道を検討する6路線のうち2路線の事前調査を日本勢が実施するが、残りの4路線の事前調査は欧米勢が落札した。


- The Japanese government will conduct its own feasibility studies on KL-Singapore high speed train project

- They want to try to help Japanese firms to enter this project

- One of which, Japanese government may provide financing through JBIC (Japan Bank for International Cooperation) should JR East or JR Central wins the project

- It is estimated that KL-Singapore high speed train line length will be 400 km, journey time of 90 minutes, compared to current rail service which now takes 7 hours

- Greater KL has 7 million people while Singapore has 5 million people

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But CSR has higher chances to win the project isn't it cuz currently they are manufacturing the new ktm and new lrt (rumours).
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post May 25 2012, 02:57 AM

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Oh man I would love to have a bullet train to singapore
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post May 25 2012, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(gnix92 @ May 25 2012, 02:56 AM)
But CSR has higher chances to win the project isn't it cuz currently they are manufacturing the new ktm and new lrt (rumours).
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Not sure, as government keep saying this project is in feasibility study...

However, it seems Japan is willing to try any possible way just to win project, this includes conducting own feasibility study as well as providing financing as well to start project.

Just like what they do for India hmm.gif
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haha. brain drain train. no way lor
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ May 25 2012, 02:59 AM)
haha. brain drain train.  no way lor
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Brain drain? Not so.

It will actually keep money flowing more within Malaysia.

This will allow Singaporean companies to set up business subsidiary in KL as KL has lower cost.

It will also help Malacca.
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post May 25 2012, 03:05 AM

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shinkansen ?

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post May 25 2012, 03:06 AM

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shinkansen?

TAKE MY TAX MONEY AND SHUT UP
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post May 25 2012, 03:17 AM

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Japanese bullet train.. SHINKANSEN blink.gif


r u kidding or what kampung2005 ?? is this for real ?? shocking.gif

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 03:01 AM)
Brain drain? Not so.

It will actually keep money flowing more within Malaysia.

This will allow Singaporean companies to set up business subsidiary in KL as KL has lower cost.

It will also help Malacca.
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kampung, YTL did proposed this years ago and no green light was given.

too much birocrazy(=p)

not sure about the company name, but i think its YTL or something @@
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 03:17 AM)
Japanese bullet train.. SHINKANSEN  blink.gif

r u kidding or what kampung2005 ?? is this for real ??  shocking.gif
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That's what the Nikkei news report said.
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post May 25 2012, 03:26 AM

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yea the train is so fast and ppl mountain ppl sea will reach singapore main gate, but one thing for sure, kastam will ruin it all, 1 n half hour reach border, 4~5hour just to get inside sg
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QUOTE(jay @ May 25 2012, 03:26 AM)
yea the train is so fast and ppl mountain ppl sea will reach singapore main gate, but one thing for sure, kastam will ruin it all, 1 n half hour reach border, 4~5hour just to get inside sg
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Most likely, if anything, SG station must be in city area.
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Japan feel threaten by Korea already ..

Ukraine already using Hyundai Rotem from Korea for their high speed rail .. already running for the UEFA Euro
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 03:01 AM)
Brain drain? Not so.

It will actually keep money flowing more within Malaysia.

This will allow Singaporean companies to set up business subsidiary in KL as KL has lower cost.

It will also help Malacca.
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Not all money will stay in Msia...Most likely you are required to hire a big Japanese contractor to do the work so the money eventually flows back to Japan...that's how they do business, they veli smart wun....


Added on May 25, 2012, 3:31 amAECOM is already studying the JB-Singapore MRT. This part of it?

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post May 25 2012, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(jay @ May 25 2012, 03:26 AM)
yea the train is so fast and ppl mountain ppl sea will reach singapore main gate, but one thing for sure, kastam will ruin it all, 1 n half hour reach border, 4~5hour just to get inside sg
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im sure they can do something for that ..

else it will beat the purpose ..


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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ May 25 2012, 03:29 AM)
Not all money will stay in Msia...Most likely you are required to hire a big Japanese contractor to do the work so the money eventually flows back to Japan...that's how they do business, they veli smart wun....


Added on May 25, 2012, 3:31 amAECOM is already studying the JB-Singapore MRT.  This part of it?
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AECOM has been selected to do study on JB-Singapore MRT.

JB-Singapore MRT is unrelated to KL-Singapore high speed line.

I don't mind Japanese contractor, because at the end of the day, we get the high speed line and at the end of the day, you still need local companies as sub contrctor.
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QUOTE(tandukhitam @ May 25 2012, 03:29 AM)
Japan feel threaten by Korea already ..

Ukraine already using Hyundai Rotem from Korea for their high speed rail .. already running for the UEFA Euro
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Ah, that one is not high speed train. Those Hyundai Rotem trains (for Ukraine) only 180 km/h.
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japan pulak yang sibuk nak majukan malaysia. meanwhile malaysia... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 03:28 AM)
Most likely, if anything, SG station must be in city area.
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This will make the rail the first cross border bullet train in the world izzit?
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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ May 25 2012, 03:39 AM)
This will make the rail the first cross border bullet train in the world izzit?
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Nope.

Eurostar (UK/France).
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this is might be dream
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We malaysians always think fancy stuff like this is just a dream. tongue.gif
The fact is that our government and companies makes us believe so. Like good stuff never comes to us.
Is you think current LRT service and stuff is already satisfiable, then you are already comfortable with being few years backwards.
However, would really like to see it coming! So actually put hope on that.. Ironic right??? Come on we must live with hope anyway XD
But don't think it will be the Japanese... maybe, the project will still fall to come cronies or local companies like YTL again..

Iskandar Johor? so greatly depicted on their website. vmad.gif

Back then there was one technology which I'm proud of Malaysia was "the world first WiMax broadband" (dont know really the first onot) by P1. Damn proud. Then heard ppl said it sucks and expensive hahaha
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 03:41 AM)
Nope.

Eurostar (UK/France).
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But first bullet train in Southeast Asia, fuuuuu.....Malaysia ke arah kuasa besar dunia unless Indon gets it first...

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QUOTE(Millen @ May 25 2012, 03:42 AM)
We malaysians always think fancy stuff like this is just a dream.  tongue.gif
The fact is that our government and companies makes us believe so. Like good stuff never comes to us.
Is you think current LRT service and stuff is already satisfiable, then you are already comfortable with being few years backwards.
However, would really like to see it coming! So actually put hope on that.. Ironic right??? Come on we must live with hope anyway XD
But don't think it will be the Japanese... maybe, the project will still fall to come cronies or local companies like YTL again..

Iskandar Johor? so greatly depicted on their website.  vmad.gif

Back then there was one technology which I'm proud of Malaysia was "the world first WiMax broadband" (dont know really the first onot) by P1. Damn proud. Then heard ppl said it sucks and expensive hahaha
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japan already use bullet train ~ shinkansen since year 1980 .. i also not born yet.. their technology is at least 30 years more advance than us sweat.gif

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Cost of building Shinkasen - RM30Billion
Cost of Malaysia Purchasing - RM60Billion
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QUOTE(KitZhai @ May 25 2012, 04:16 AM)
Cost of building Shinkasen - RM30Billion
Cost of Malaysia Purchasing - RM60Billion
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COst after songlap n 3 level of sub con songlap

RM120bil
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 02:58 AM)
Not sure, as government keep saying this project is in feasibility study...

However, it seems Japan is willing to try any possible way just to win project, this includes conducting own feasibility study as well as providing financing as well to start project.

Just like what they do for India  hmm.gif
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I really like the package that the Japanese offered.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 03:47 AM)
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japan already use bullet train ~ shinkansen since year 1980 .. i also not born yet.. their technology is at least 30 years more advance than us  sweat.gif

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Incorrect, they first use their Shinkansen on 1964, built for Tokyo Olympic game
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QUOTE(ruffaz @ May 25 2012, 03:34 AM)
japan pulak yang sibuk nak majukan malaysia. meanwhile malaysia... laugh.gif
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ever heard of businesses looking for new opportunities for revenue?
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QUOTE(RoyMcAvoy @ May 25 2012, 06:31 AM)
Incorrect, they first use their Shinkansen on 1964, built for Tokyo Olympic game
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damnnn.. then it means japan is 50 years more advance than malaysia ??

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I like Japanese trains with its system efficiency. I will 1000% support smile.gif Shinkansen is always upgraded from time to time; so, I have no issue with its tech. I also like ASIMO, yeahahah.

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QUOTE(eclectice @ May 25 2012, 07:09 AM)
I like Japanese trains with its system efficiency. I will 1000% support smile.gif Shinkansen is always upgraded from time to time; so, I have no issue with its tech. I also like ASIMO, yeahahah.
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Japanese Shinkansen it is 581km/h
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japanese shinkansen set world record !! fastest ever train in this world brows.gif

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Good news...

But you know the Malaysian ways of doing things... always ask for commissions and higher mark ups.
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biadap jepun. last time they come in bicycles and raped our men , women, children and land. now they come with train and rape us all over again!

don forget the atrocities of japanese!!!

rape them back! all of them!
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 25 2012, 07:42 AM)
biadap jepun. last time they come in bicycles and raped our men , women, children and land. now they come with train and rape us all over again!

don forget the atrocities of japanese!!!

rape them back! all of them!
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ya rape their toyota, rape their sony, rape their doremon, and rape their mitsubishi.
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QUOTE(ruffaz @ May 25 2012, 03:34 AM)
japan pulak yang sibuk nak majukan malaysia. meanwhile malaysia... laugh.gif
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it is not about who wan to maju who. it is all about getting the business in their hand. Economic slowdown in europe affect economy mah, So getting new project very hard. Therefore most company will try what ever things they can in order to grab any project available.

I would be glad for the Japanese company to come... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 25 2012, 07:42 AM)
biadap jepun. last time they come in bicycles and raped our men , women, children and land. now they come with train and rape us all over again!

don forget the atrocities of japanese!!!

rape them back! all of them!
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rape their rubber doll. brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 25 2012, 07:42 AM)
biadap jepun. last time they come in bicycles and raped our men , women, children and land. now they come with train and rape us all over again!

don forget the atrocities of japanese!!!

rape them back! all of them!
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but but but.... japan gives tentacles, 2D and let u rap them.

so all their past attrocities are forgivable.
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QUOTE(YameteOniichan @ May 25 2012, 08:31 AM)
but but but.... japan gives tentacles, 2D and let u rap them.

so all their past attrocities are forgivable.
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doh.gif sweat.gif
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hope we can get bullet train in my life time sad.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 02:53 AM)
http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/articl...E3E2E2E2;av=ALL
- The Japanese government will conduct its own feasibility studies on KL-Singapore high speed train project

- They want to try to help Japanese firms to enter this project

- One of which, Japanese government may provide financing through JBIC (Japan Bank for International Cooperation) should JR East or JR Central wins the project

- It is estimated that KL-Singapore high speed train line length will be 400 km, journey time of 90 minutes, compared to current rail service which now takes 7 hours

- Greater KL has 7 million people while Singapore has 5 million people
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Don't think gomen will agree caused a lot of cronyism will lose business... Flights and busses
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QUOTE(jesseclane @ May 25 2012, 08:59 AM)
hope we can get bullet train in my life time sad.gif
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last time they said in buletin utama tv3, the shinkansen project target to be fully finished in year 2015

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related..
MALAYSIA-SINGAPORE confirm "SHINKANSEN" PROJECT, over 280km/h high speed train MY-SG (News)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1574607/all
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 09:11 AM)
last time they said in buletin utama tv3, the shinkansen project target to be fully finished in year 2015

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MALAYSIA-SINGAPORE confirm "SHINKANSEN" PROJECT, over 280km/h high speed train MY-SG (News)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1574607/all
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hack3line replying in English and about highspeed trains? Is hack3line kampung2005 dupe?

Contractor also not yet confirmed, and its 2012 already. I have my doubts.
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Even though I very much like it to happen. But unlikely unless the cost keep balooning non stop.

Example : MRT project, the price keep going up without cap.

2 years ago... It was RM 10 - 12 billions..
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1676280/all

This early year was USD 10 billion
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2251703/all

What's the cost now?
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Let's project how much money will go into crony, and leaving the state of the project infeasible and useless.

K GO!
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wait... who will pilot the shinkansen after they finish build? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Lawolfe @ May 25 2012, 09:15 AM)
wait... who will pilot the shinkansen after they finish build? hmm.gif
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In the case of Taiwan, they hire foreigners in initial stage.
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QUOTE(dplaya @ May 25 2012, 09:13 AM)
Even though I very much like it to happen. But unlikely unless the cost keep balooning non stop.

Example : MRT project, the price keep going up without cap.

2 years ago... It was RM 10 - 12 billions..
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1676280/all

This early year was USD 10 billion
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2251703/all

What's the cost now?
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Take it with a pinch of salt as the feasibility cost is not even completed.

Now the Japanese government want to do own feasibility on KL-SG bullet train project.
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QUOTE(kalandra @ May 25 2012, 09:13 AM)
hack3line replying in English and about highspeed trains? Is hack3line kampung2005 dupe?

Contractor also not yet confirmed, and its 2012 already. I have my doubts.
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This is wonderfull news , there will be more job openings and increase tourism lol

Now if only tourism is being privatised that would keep the mantainence well lol
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QUOTE(skincladalien @ May 25 2012, 09:22 AM)
i wonder it will be 8-car 10-car or 16-car
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At the very least, with KL-SG bullet train.

The price travelling to SG would be quite competitive.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 03:01 AM)
Brain drain? Not so.

It will actually keep money flowing more within Malaysia.

This will allow Singaporean companies to set up business subsidiary in KL as KL has lower cost.

It will also help Malacca.
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Will Sabah and Sarawak benefit from this project? Will the federal government commit herself to distribute the wealth garnered from this mega project to Sabah and Sarawak? In tawau, Sabah (my hometown), the federal government cannot even provide us continuous electricity and water supply and now they are talking about bullet train and MRT in West Malaysia... Do you see why im butthurt? Mr Kampong (blue blood Sabahan)?

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At the very least, with KL-SG bullet train.

The price travelling to SG would be quite competitive.
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Will Sabah and Sarawak benefit from this project? Will the federal government commit herself to distribute the wealth garnered from this mega project to Sabah and Sarawak? In tawau, Sabah (my hometown), the federal government cannot even provide us continuous electricity and water supply and now they are talking about bullet train and MRT in West Malaysia... Do you see why im butthurt? Mr Kampong (blue blood Sabahan)?
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QUOTE(eugene90 @ May 25 2012, 10:06 AM)
Will Sabah and Sarawak benefit from this project? Will the federal government commit herself to distribute the wealth garnered from this mega project to Sabah and Sarawak? In tawau, Sabah (my hometown), the federal government cannot even provide us continuous electricity and water supply and now they are talking about bullet train and MRT in West Malaysia... Do you see why im butthurt? Mr Kampong (blue blood Sabahan)?
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I still Bet China will get higher chances.

If Japan build like Taiwan...u need hire Japanese engineer for maintenance...those high position job all are Japanese like Taiwan. Cost are higher.


China build will cost less and train also cost less.....maintenance also less compare to Japan


BTW, China going coming Malaysia open train factory right? higher chances they will build the High speed rail

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QUOTE(eugene90 @ May 25 2012, 10:07 AM)
hopefully the operator can keep the fare below Rm100 for a 2 way ticket.
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Let's says there are ten departures from KL to Singapore everyday, and ten in the opposite direction. Each carries an average of 200 passengers. Each passenger pays 50 MYR one way.

50 MYR/passenger x 200 passengers/train x 20 trains/day x 365 days/year x 10 years = 0.730b MYR

Assuming the cost of construction, equipment and ten years of operation is only 5b MYR, which is already a grossly underestimated figure, it takes about 68 years to recoup that cost. Inclusive of interest, and by making the figure a little more realistic, and assuming it is run without profit, it should probably be at least 20b MYR, which takes 272 years to recoup. To recoup it in 27.2 years, which is possibly more reasonable, the ticket price may have to be multiplied by ten, making it 500 MYR/passenger one way.

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http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/articl...E3E2E2E2;av=ALL
- The Japanese government will conduct its own feasibility studies on KL-Singapore high speed train project

- They want to try to help Japanese firms to enter this project

- One of which, Japanese government may provide financing through JBIC (Japan Bank for International Cooperation) should JR East or JR Central wins the project

- It is estimated that KL-Singapore high speed train line length will be 400 km, journey time of 90 minutes, compared to current rail service which now takes 7 hours

- Greater KL has 7 million people while Singapore has 5 million people
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 10:18 AM)
I still Bet China will get higher chances.

If Japan build like Taiwan...u need hire Japanese engineer for maintenance...those high position job all are Japanese like Taiwan.  Cost are higher.
China build will cost less and train also cost less.....maintenance also less compare to Japan
BTW, China going coming Malaysia open train factory right?  higher chances they will build the High speed rail
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Let's says there are ten departures from KL to Singapore everyday, and ten in the opposite direction.  Each carries an average of 200 passengers.  Each passenger pays 50 MYR one way.

50 MYR/passenger x 200 passengers/train x 20 trains/day x 365 days/year x 10 years = 0.730b MYR

Assuming the cost of construction, equipment and ten years of operation is only 5b MYR, which is already a grossly underestimated figure, it takes about 68 years to recoup that cost.  Inclusive of interest, and by making the figure a little more realistic, and assuming it is run without profit, it should probably be at least 20b MYR, which takes 272 years to recoup.  To recoup it in 27.2 years, which is possibly more reasonable, the ticket price may have to be multiplied by ten, making it 500 MYR/passenger one way.
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nice calculation

RM500?! Malaysians say big problem... AA says no problem... Singaporean says no problem ($200)..

So, Singaporean will be taking bullet train to kl, and malaysian will continue flying with AA.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 10:37 AM)
CSR Zhuzhou plans to build factory in Perak for the production of new Ampang line trains  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hwt @ May 25 2012, 10:21 AM)
Let's says there are ten departures from KL to Singapore everyday, and ten in the opposite direction.  Each carries an average of 200 passengers.  Each passenger pays 50 MYR one way.

50 MYR/passenger x 200 passengers/train x 20 trains/day x 365 days/year x 10 years = 0.730b MYR

Assuming the cost of construction, equipment and ten years of operation is only 5b MYR, which is already a grossly underestimated figure, it takes about 68 years to recoup that cost.  Inclusive of interest, and by making the figure a little more realistic, and assuming it is run without profit, it should probably be at least 20b MYR, which takes 272 years to recoup.  To recoup it in 27.2 years, which is possibly more reasonable, the ticket price may have to be multiplied by ten, making it 500 MYR/passenger one way.
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This comparison is not valid.

The proposed high speed line do not only serve KL, but possibly Seremban, Melaka, northern Johor towns, as well as JB before reaching Singapore.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 09:37 AM)
CSR Zhuzhou plans to build factory in Perak for the production of new Ampang line trains  hmm.gif
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Since got factory...might well as build the bullet train...why Malaysia choose China ETS why not Korea or Japan? ...because is cheap.

If Malaysia going do bullet train project....no doubt will be China.

Plus China want build bullet train from SIngapore to Bangkok project is more early than Japan wanted to build ....

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QUOTE(eugene90 @ May 25 2012, 10:38 AM)
nice calculation

RM500?! Malaysians say big problem... AA says no problem... Singaporean says no problem ($200)..

So, Singaporean will be taking bullet train to kl, and malaysian will continue flying with AA.
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RM 120 will be appropriate for HSR.

Assuming if a person book flight ticket today to Singapore, it will cost at least RM 181. If tomorrow (also on Airasia), at least RM 108.

Yet, LCCT is far from city, hence the person has to travel on bus (which is quite long), RM 8 or RM 9.

Whereas KL Sentral is within city area.
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 10:42 AM)
Since got factory...might well as build the bullet train...why Malaysia choose China ETS  why not Korea or Japan?  ...because is cheap.

If Malaysia going do bullet train project....do doubt will be China.

Plus China want build bullet train from SIngapore to Bangkok project is more early than Japan wanted to build ....
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Too early to tell when KL-SG HSR is still officially under "feasibility" study.

Siemens wanted to bid for the project if it is confirmed, Japan also interested.

Now Japan government going to involve in pursuing deals in Malaysia hmm.gif
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RM 120 will be appropriate for HSR.

Assuming if a person book flight ticket today to Singapore, it will cost at least RM 181. If tomorrow (also on Airasia), at least RM 108.

Yet, LCCT is far from city, hence the person has to travel on bus (which is quite long), RM 8 or RM 9.

Whereas KL Sentral is within city area.
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they can take 1st morning train to KL for meeting and evening take the last train back to SG.


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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 10:40 AM)
This comparison is not valid.

The proposed high speed line do not only serve KL, but possibly Seremban, Melaka, northern Johor towns, as well as JB before reaching Singapore.
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I think it may not be too far off. It will have to compete with ETS for short-distance travellers. I suppose its tickets cannot be cheaper than those of ETS. The shorter the distance, the less time is saved. The less time saved, the less extra money people will be willing to pay. Besides, if a passenger travels from Melaka to Johor Baru, the seat most likely will be vacant from Kuala Lumpur to Melaka, and Johor Baru to Singapore.

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QUOTE(eugene90 @ May 25 2012, 10:06 AM)
Will Sabah and Sarawak benefit from this project? Will the federal government commit herself to distribute the wealth garnered from this mega project to Sabah and Sarawak? In tawau, Sabah (my hometown), the federal government cannot even provide us continuous electricity and water supply and now they are talking about bullet train and MRT in West Malaysia... Do you see why im butthurt? Mr Kampong (blue blood Sabahan)?
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Because Kuala Lumpur is the capital city. You have 2 options, one is moving to Kuala Lumpur. Second is seems like impossible that is to get the Sabah to become as an independent country. Anyway, there is so many anti-Malaysia in Sarawak and Sabah but I wonder you guys if get independent, Indonesia and Phillipines will invade!

So the best move is to move to Kuala Lumpur!

Welcome to Kuala Lumpur!

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I think it may not be too far off.  It will have to compete with ETS for short-distance travellers.  I suppose its tickets cannot be cheaper than those of ETS.  The shorter the distance, the less time is saved.  The less time saved, the less extra money people will be willing to pay.  Besides, if a passenger travels from Melaka to Johor Baru, the seat most likely will be vacant from Kuala Lumpur to Melaka, and Johor Baru to Singapore.
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The thing is KTM track in Melaka does not reach into Melaka city, only Batang Melaka or Tampin.

It is rumoured that the HSR may pass nearby urban Melaka.

How fast is ETS compared to high speed train?

KL - Seremban already takes 1 hour. Seremban to Gemas may take at least 1 hour. That means ETS from KL-Gemas (Johor border) already close to 2 hours. Then Gemas-JB about 200 km distance, average speed of 110 km/h...........1.8 hours.

That means KL-JB using ETS will be much longer compared to proposed 90 mins ride of HSR.
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In Japan air ticket & Shinkansen ticket cost nearly as much, but people prefer Shinkansen because of its convenience (no need to check in, can board any train and sit anywhere for non-reserved seat).
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 09:45 AM)
Too early to tell when KL-SG HSR is still officially under "feasibility" study.

Siemens wanted to bid for the project if it is confirmed, Japan also interested.

Now Japan government going to involve in pursuing deals in Malaysia  hmm.gif
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Japan build the cost will be high. Like Taiwan , after build the Maintenance must only done by Japanese company only. other cannot..That the rulez if Japan build..Japan govt always look after their ppl.

Under Japan company Maintenance:
All the part sure wanted Made in Japan...Taiwan closed to Japan shipping is lower....Malaysia sure expensive.
Rail repairing sure wanted made in Japan rail. Every 5 years want replaced old rail...like this Malaysia govt will pokai. Like what they did in Taiwan ..everything control very strictly. everything old change old change.

I work in Japanese company and my superior are Japanese..I know they way of working. Everything also change change change...new new new. Cost bill sent the upper head.


The way of Japan ppl work is Change the part before it fail. China are change the part only it fail. see the different?

But Malaysia ppl altitude is the thing still working why want to change it? so China style is more suit to Malaysia.

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 10:57 AM)
The thing is KTM track in Melaka does not reach into Melaka city, only Batang Melaka or Tampin.

It is rumoured that the HSR may pass nearby urban Melaka.

How fast is ETS compared to high speed train?

KL - Seremban already takes 1 hour. Seremban to Gemas may take at least 1 hour. That means ETS from KL-Gemas (Johor border) already close to 2 hours. Then Gemas-JB about 200 km distance, average speed of 110 km/h...........1.8 hours.

That means KL-JB using ETS will be much longer compared to proposed 90 mins ride of HSR.
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The way of Japan ppl work is Change the part before it fail.  China are change the part only it fail. see the different?

But Malaysia ppl altitude is the thing still working why want to change it?  so China style is more suit to Malaysia.
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I'm against the Shinkansen in m'sia. Because LRT everyday breakdown, heavy rain will have flooding, Monorail got wheels falling off and people getting stuck in doors and mangled, KTM is a a cesspool of crap.

If shinkansen is in m'sia we'll have disasters of epic proportions.
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I'm against the Shinkansen in m'sia. Because LRT everyday breakdown, heavy rain will have flooding, Monorail got wheels falling off and people getting stuck in doors and mangled, KTM is a a cesspool of crap.

If shinkansen is in m'sia we'll have disasters of epic proportions.
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 11:04 AM)
Japan build the cost will be high.  Like Taiwan , after build the Maintenance must only done by Japanese company only.  other cannot..That the rulez if Japan build..Japan govt always look after their ppl. 

Under Japan company Maintenance:
All the part sure wanted Made in Japan...Taiwan closed to Japan shipping is lower....Malaysia sure expensive.
Rail repairing sure wanted made in Japan rail.  Every 5 years want replaced old rail...like this Malaysia govt will pokai.  Like what they did in Taiwan ..everything control very strictly.  everything old change old change. 

I work in Japanese company and my superior are Japanese..I know they way of working.  Everything also change change change...new new new.  Cost bill sent the upper head.
The way of Japan ppl work is Change the part before it fail.  China are change the part only it fail. see the different?

But Malaysia ppl altitude is the thing still working why want to change it?  so China style is more suit to Malaysia.
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ May 25 2012, 11:16 AM)
I'm against the Shinkansen in m'sia. Because LRT everyday breakdown, heavy rain will have flooding, Monorail got wheels falling off and people getting stuck in doors and mangled, KTM is a a cesspool of crap.

If shinkansen is in m'sia we'll have disasters of epic proportions.
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Different case.

ERL track record is excellent.

Monorail wheel case was way back in 2003, and now we are able to export monorail to India and Brazil.

At the end of the day, when we need it, we should build it.

Besides, it is not as if the bullet train is managed by KTM anyway.

SRT in Thailand is not perfect, but they still able to run Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link with different service level.

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Direct train? How many tracks we need?


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QUOTE(wufei @ May 25 2012, 11:21 AM)
Direct train? How many tracks we need?
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As far as I know we only have 2 tracks, No more land for expansion.
Correct me if I am wrong
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 10:18 AM)
I still Bet China will get higher chances.

If Japan build like Taiwan...u need hire Japanese engineer for maintenance...those high position job all are Japanese like Taiwan.  Cost are higher.
China build will cost less and train also cost less.....maintenance also less compare to Japan
BTW, China going coming Malaysia open train factory right?  higher chances they will build the High speed rail
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 11:25 AM)
MADE IN CHINA BULLET TRAIN ~ 28 December 2011 .. baru lagi rasanya
japanese engineering is still #1 the best in asia.. face da fact !!  cool2.gif
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That accident was caused by signalling fault, not the train itself.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 10:18 AM)
china bullet train... kababoooomm.. 35 orang sudah mati

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This is accident cause by signal tower.....not Train manufacturer company // driver cause it......they blame the signal company already. So CHina build train are safe.


Train accident everywhere also have.. Munich Maglev accident at Year 2012 March Killing 23 on board....So now u say German train are unsafe? German tech are suck?

China bullet train accident so far is that one only.
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QUOTE(wufei @ May 25 2012, 11:25 AM)
As far as I know we only have 2 tracks, No more land for expansion.
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This is accident cause by signal tower.....not Train manufacturer company // driver cause it......they blame the signal company already.   So CHina build train are safe.
Train accident everywhere also have.. Munich Maglev accident at Year 2012 March  Killing 23 on board....So now u say German train are unsafe? German tech are suck?  

China bullet train accident so far is that one only.
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this is a fact about Japanese shinkansen

Japan's Shinkansen trains began operation in 1964. In over 30 years of operations, the Shinkansen have recorded no fatal accidents among their more than 3 billion passengers. This legendary safety is supported by a multi-layered inspection and operation system.

data until year 1998 only laugh.gif

face da fact !!!

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At peak times, such as during the holiday seasons, shinkansen can become extraordinarily crowded, with usage rates of 200% (meaning that up to 100 people can be standing, in addition to seated passengers, in each carriage). Trains travel at speeds of up to 300 km/h (approx 187 mph) and the network has never suffered a serious accident.

Shinkansen punctuality is legendary: the average lateness per train on the Tokaido Shinkansen in 1999 was just 24 seconds! Another curiosity: all seats in the carriages can easily be rotated by passengers to either face the direction of travel or to form bays of four or six seats.

Safety in a World of 300-km/h shinkansen

Although each Shinkansen is equipped with world-class, advanced operational systems and is kept in working order with sophisticated maintenance and repair technology, this does not mean that safety measures are infallible. When they first started operating, the maximum passenger-carrying speed allowed for these trains was 210 kph (130 mph). Strong competition with airlines, however, has led the JR companies to develop new Shinkansen models, each designed for faster speeds. Trains running at 300 kph (185 mph) were put into service in March 1997, and research has begun on magnetically levitated trains that will eventually go 500 kph (310 mph).

The faster trains travel, the more they shake and vibrate, imposing a greater load on the wheels and axles. Experts point out that at very high speeds, even a tiny flaw may result in a catastrophic breakdown.

Preparing for earthquakes, too, gives railway authorities cause for concern. Shinkansen railways employ an emergency braking system that is triggered when an earthquake occurs. The faster the train is moving, however, the longer the braking distance--and a longer braking distance means more time during which a moving train can actually be shaken by an earthquake.

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Over the past 45 years, the average delay is less than one minute - and that includes stoppages because of floods, earthquakes, accidents and natural disasters. Rail officials also note their safety record: There's never been a passenger fatality on the Shinkansen.


this one data till year 2010.. earthquake also did not accident, how japanese did that ??
chinese punya train tak earthquake pun banyak mampus hmm.gif

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this is a fact about Japanese shinkansen

Japan's Shinkansen trains began operation in 1964. In over 30 years of operations, the Shinkansen have recorded no fatal accidents among their more than 3 billion passengers. This legendary safety is supported by a multi-layered inspection and operation system.

data until year 1998 only  laugh.gif

face da fact !!!
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If China that lousy SIgnal company doesn't go error...China High Speed Rail still 0 Fatal Accident. If you consider human error mistake or train failure part cause accident..China still 0 record. China and Japan still Zero record.


That China accident is not China high speed rail company fault. Same as Japan govt denied Tohoku Earthquake causing one SHinkansen accidnet killing the people inside. They say is not thier fault...Blame the Earthquake .


If you say That signal company fault is China high speed rail fault...then I can told u Tohoku Earthquake also JR East Shinkansean fault ....killing half of train ppl inside

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Alright enough with this "Who's better train builder" stuff. Anything that human makes are bound to break, it is not if but when.
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so if built shinkansen must built special track like ERL?
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If China that lousy SIgnal company doesn't go error...China High Speed Rail still 0 Fatal Accident.    If you consider human error mistake or train failure part cause accident..China still 0 record.  China and Japan still Zero record.
That China accident is not China high speed rail company fault.    Same as Japan govt denied Tohoku Earthquake causing one SHinkansen accidnet killing the people inside.    They say is not thier fault...Blame the Earthquake .
If you say That signal company fault is China high speed rail fault...then I can told u Tohoku Earthquake also JR East Shinkansean fault ....killing half of train ppl inside
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 11:42 AM)
If China that lousy SIgnal company doesn't go error...China High Speed Rail still 0 Fatal Accident.    If you consider human error mistake or train failure part cause accident..China still 0 record.  China and Japan still Zero record.
That China accident is not China high speed rail company fault.    Same as Japan govt denied Tohoku Earthquake causing one SHinkansen accidnet killing the people inside.    They say is not thier fault...Blame the Earthquake .
If you say That signal company fault is China high speed rail fault...then I can told u Tohoku Earthquake also JR East Shinkansean fault ....killing half of train ppl inside
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earthquake is natural disaster, only god can predict it accurately

high speed rail company fault is human error, that one can predict accurately by using engineering math

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japan government is right, human can never challenge god's superiority of natural disaster but we can try to avoid it as best as we can and JAPAN JUST DID IT IN more than 45 years of shinkansen history !!

baru buat train terus accident pastu salahkan company orang lain .. apa punya perangai daaa doh.gif
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Don't care Japanese Shitkatsin kah or China CHR kah... but the most important just do it... The more we bising-bising /Ah Chi Ah Chor the more delay this project gonna be....darn to all the non stop arguement
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 11:40 AM)
At peak times, such as during the holiday seasons, shinkansen can become extraordinarily crowded, with usage rates of 200% (meaning that up to 100 people can be standing, in addition to seated passengers, in each carriage). Trains travel at speeds of up to 300 km/h (approx 187 mph) and the network has never suffered a serious accident.

Shinkansen punctuality is legendary: the average lateness per train on the Tokaido Shinkansen in 1999 was just 24 seconds! Another curiosity: all seats in the carriages can easily be rotated by passengers to either face the direction of travel or to form bays of four or six seats.

Safety in a World of 300-km/h shinkansen

Although each Shinkansen is equipped with world-class, advanced operational systems and is kept in working order with sophisticated maintenance and repair technology, this does not mean that safety measures are infallible. When they first started operating, the maximum passenger-carrying speed allowed for these trains was 210 kph (130 mph). Strong competition with airlines, however, has led the JR companies to develop new Shinkansen models, each designed for faster speeds. Trains running at 300 kph (185 mph) were put into service in March 1997, and research has begun on magnetically levitated trains that will eventually go 500 kph (310 mph).

The faster trains travel, the more they shake and vibrate, imposing a greater load on the wheels and axles. Experts point out that at very high speeds, even a tiny flaw may result in a catastrophic breakdown.

Preparing for earthquakes, too, gives railway authorities cause for concern. Shinkansen railways employ an emergency braking system that is triggered when an earthquake occurs. The faster the train is moving, however, the longer the braking distance--and a longer braking distance means more time during which a moving train can actually be shaken by an earthquake.

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Over the past 45 years, the average delay is less than one minute - and that includes stoppages because of floods, earthquakes, accidents and natural disasters. Rail officials also note their safety record: There's never been a passenger fatality on the Shinkansen.


this one data till year 2010.. earthquake also did not accident, how japanese did that ??
chinese punya train tak earthquake pun banyak mampus  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 11:26 AM)
This is accident cause by signal tower.....not Train manufacturer company // driver cause it......they blame the signal company already.  So CHina build train are safe.
Train accident everywhere also have.. Munich Maglev accident at Year 2012 March  Killing 23 on board....So now u say German train are unsafe? German tech are suck? 

China bullet train accident so far is that one only.
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About the China's bullet-train accident... I want to add: in any modern railway system, all components of a system must work well...not only the trains. Anyone who wants to bid for their bullet-train in Malaysia must now comes with a good system to manage them as well.

Since Japanese has proven beyond any doubt that their 1960s bullet-train system works up to this day without any single train accident due to signalling fault (which is also a part of its system) even for a country that is natural disaster-prone, I will choose Japanese technology over Chinese technology.

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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 10:47 AM)
earthquake is natural disaster, only god can predict it accurately

high speed rail company fault is human error, that one can predict accurately by using engineering math

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japan government is right, human can never challenge god's superiority of natural disaster but we can try to avoid it as best as we can and JAPAN JUST DID IT IN more than 45 years of shinkansen history !!

baru buat train terus accident pastu salahkan company orang lain .. apa punya perangai daaa  doh.gif
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You still don't get it.

That Signal Company are not under China High Speed Rail. They are different Company...how can u blame the High Speed Rail Company?

China High Speed rail until today still no Human Error. That signal show green light sure the drive accelerate foward. How can he know the front got another slow moving train? That dya is raining + 250km/h speed...impossible to you look foward...plus stopping a 250km/h train need almost 4 - 5 km to fully stop it.
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If China build, for sure still can afford but not daily-lah..probably weekly/monthly... If Japanese build....For sure the ticket price will be shitkaliao wan. One way journey from Tokyo to Kyoto if I'm not mistaken ~ RM800 liao doh.gif ..That's from ~ KL to ALor Setar? and if from KL to SG, most probably one way ~ RM600 liao rclxub.gif ...If China...Probably RM100 one way nia brows.gif bcos kenot lower than AA
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QUOTE(eclectice @ May 25 2012, 11:56 AM)
About the China's bullet-train accident... I want to add: in any modern railway system, all components of a system must work well...not only the trains. Anyone who wants to bid for their bullet-train in Malaysia must now comes with a good system to manage them as well.

Since Japanese has proven beyond any doubt that their 1960s bullet-train system works up to this day without any single train accident due to signalling fault (which is also a part of its system) even for a country that is natural disaster-prone, I will choose Japanese technology over Chinese technology.
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If the Japanese can competitively priced the ticket to China rate.. good liao.. but comparing the Shitkatliao price right now wth China CSR..is just like Sky & ground liao lor...
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QUOTE(eclectice @ May 25 2012, 11:56 AM)
About the China's bullet-train accident... I want to add: in any modern railway system, all components of a system must work well...not only the trains. Anyone who wants to bid for their bullet-train in Malaysia must now comes with a good system to manage them as well.

Since Japanese has proven beyond any doubt that their 1960s bullet-train system works up to this day without any single train accident due to signalling fault (which is also a part of its system) even for a country that is natural disaster-prone, I will choose Japanese technology over Chinese technology.
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cina baru buat bullet train 4 tahun terus accident ...
tak ada earthquake, train nak accident susah bro sebab dia ada landasan dia sendiri,
sepatutnya keretapi adalah sistem pengangkutan paling selamat di dunia


jepun buat bullet train lebih 30 tahun, tak pernah pula accident.. accident pun sebab earthquake??

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wasting money lah this bullet train..u want fast use plane better
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wasting money lah this bullet train..u want fast use plane better
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Plane is not fast.

Door-to-door KL-Singapore by flight is 3 hours.

KL-Singapore by train only 90 minutes and then, the station is at the heart of city, unlike LCCT and Changi.

It also can serve Malacca too.

Besides, flight sometimes delay.

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wasting money lah this bullet train..u want fast use plane better
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If you take into a/c the requirement on check-in time, waiting & upon arrival waiting for baggages..& even transport from airport to downtown....That's diff story liao... From my experience taking bullet train in China.. just walked in to the counter..buy a ticket and enter within 15min time..Thereafter once reaching destionation, just swicth to MRT to hotel.. damn fast... Check-in time, waiting time, waiting for luggages & trpt to airport - is the killer..
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Your point is valid because, usually people will compare between train fare and airplane fare. So, Malaysia government must take this into account in making the decision.
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QUOTE(eclectice @ May 25 2012, 12:10 PM)
Your point is valid because, usually people will compare between train fare and airplane fare. So,  Malaysia government must take this into account in making the decision.
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Plane fare is not cheap.

Just go to AirAsia, want to buy today ticket to Singapore, close to RM 200 (tax excluded)

Then, if tomorrow, still easily RM 120 (without tax too).

Taiwan can do it at RM 149, Taipei to Kaohsiung.

What about airport access time (from KL to LCCT), which often takes close to an hour?

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If China build, for sure still can afford but not daily-lah..probably weekly/monthly... If Japanese build....For sure the ticket price will be shitkaliao wan. One way journey from Tokyo to Kyoto if I'm not mistaken ~ RM800 liao  doh.gif ..That's from ~ KL to ALor Setar? and if from KL to SG, most probably one way ~ RM600 liao  rclxub.gif ...If China...Probably RM100 one way nia  brows.gif  bcos kenot lower than AA
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i think can take china bullet train if we have superior knowledge on how to avoid accidents..
like japanese just did with their shinkansen.. don't want china bullet train accident happen in malaysia

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QUOTE(stimix @ May 25 2012, 11:59 AM)
If China build, for sure still can afford but not daily-lah..probably weekly/monthly... If Japanese build....For sure the ticket price will be shitkaliao wan. One way journey from Tokyo to Kyoto if I'm not mistaken ~ RM800 liao  doh.gif ..That's from ~ KL to ALor Setar? and if from KL to SG, most probably one way ~ RM600 liao  rclxub.gif ...If China...Probably RM100 one way nia  brows.gif  bcos kenot lower than AA
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Yes.... I think if the train build by Japanese, I wonder how much will it be.

China build one, at least is affordable.

Actually now many Japanese brand also made in China so some parts might be imported from China with Japanese brand and install it at our train here but in term of the cost it will cost more if the project is taking by the Japanese.
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KL-Singapore by train only 90 minutes and then, the station is at the heart of city, unlike LCCT and Changi.
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Actually, many companies are no longer located in the city center these days. For Singapore, many are located in Ubi (near airport), Changi (near airport), Tampines (near airport), Ang Mo Kio (reasonably close to JB), Jurong East (close to Malaysia), Boon Lay (close to Malaysia), Tuas (close to Malaysia). Less than half of my work life so far was spent in a city office. As for residents, most stay outside the city center.
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QUOTE(hwt @ May 25 2012, 12:18 PM)
Actually, many companies are no longer located in the city center these days.  For Singapore, many are located in Ubi (near airport), Changi (near airport), Tampines (near airport), Ang Mo Kio (reasonably close to JB), Jurong East (close to Malaysia), Boon Lay (close to Malaysia), Tuas (close to Malaysia).  Less than half of my work life so far was spent in a city office.  As for residents, most stay outside the city center.
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What about KL when the airport is at least 60 km away from the city. Businesses are still at the heart of Klang Valley.
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to spend billion(not including songlap) just to satisfy some people, and to show the world we also have bullet train when our country is not that big/far and only can reduce the time around 1 hour? i call that bullshit. plane for me is more than enough.
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QUOTE(ysoon @ May 25 2012, 12:17 PM)
Yes....  I think if the train build by Japanese, I wonder how much will it be.

China build one, at least is affordable.

Actually now many Japanese brand also made in China so some parts might be imported from China with Japanese brand and install it at our train here but in term of the cost it will cost more if the project is taking by the Japanese.
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Yes....  I think if the train build by Japanese, I wonder how much will it be.

China build one, at least is affordable.

Actually now many Japanese brand also made in China so some parts might be imported from China with Japanese brand and install it at our train here but in term of the cost it will cost more if the project is taking by the Japanese.
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company besar2 diaorang pakai QC diaorang sendiri, orang diaorang sendiri.. diaorang sentiasa nak jaga nama baik diaorang.

japanese in the past, they even do harakiri, kill themself if they think they put shame into their own family name and the tradition.

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company besar2 diaorang pakai QC diaorang sendiri, orang diaorang sendiri.. diaorang sentiasa nak jaga nama baik diaorang.

japanese in the past, they even do harakiri, kill themself if they think they put shame into their own family name and the tradition.

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for me its either european tech or japanese tech.. we must aim for the best quality of technology transfer into our own malaysian people !!
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The the train is maintain by Japanese or euro ..the ticket will be so expensive...RM300 per way to Penang butterworth..u still take the train? with AA just offer 100 to Penang Airport.

Most Malaysian now still cannot effort that kind of ticket price

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QUOTE(keaizer @ May 25 2012, 12:22 PM)
to spend billion(not including songlap) just to satisfy some people, and to show the world we also have bullet train when our country is not that big/far and only can reduce the time around 1 hour? i call that bullshit. plane for me is more than enough.
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It is not being shown to the world. I believe having national high speed rail will force modal shift from road to rail. Air to rail.

Another thing. Taiwan is smaller than peninsular Malaysia, but they built high speed rail.

KL-Singapore combined population is 13 million people, and that does not include Seremban or Melaka etc.

Plane is simply inefficient. My experience plane vs rail, and I think it is time for us to have it, because I strongly believe it has the economic multiplier. KL-Singapore corridor is already one of the busiest in south east Asia. Besides, the proposal of HSR is nothing new, it was mooted way back in 1990's.

KL - Singapore is 3xx km, same as Taipei-Kaohsiung. Besides, it can be extended to the north as well.
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they should study Shinkanse to Kota Bharu.... i think that route will also be in high demand...
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I don't think so.

HSR line traffic usually more than 10 million passengers per year and I think KL-KB market is not large for that. Perhaps, time to consider ETS to Kuantan, then Terengganu and Kota Bharu.
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Planes still rely on fossil fuel to run. Fossil fuel price keeps changing from time to time and it gets worst when it is speculated and it is not sustainable.

Bullet trains rely on electricity but our country still generate it using fossil fuel .

However the cost overrun to manage a fleet of 100 or more planes against 1-to-5 bullet trains should be calculated properly over a number of years in operation.

Malaysia needs to move fast to a cheaper source of generating electricity.

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QUOTE(eclectice @ May 25 2012, 12:34 PM)
Planes still rely on fossil fuel to run. Fossil fuel price keeps changing from time to time and it gets worst when it is speculated.

Bullet trains rely on electricity but our country still generate it using fossil fuel .

However the cost overrun to manage a fleet of 100 or more planes against 1-to-5 bullet trains should be calculated properly over a number of years in operation.

Malaysia needs to move fast to a cheaper source of generating electricity.
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go nuclear?

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 25 2012, 12:26 PM)
The the train is maintain by Japanese or euro ..the ticket will be so expensive...RM300 per way to Penang butterworth..u still take the train?  with AA just offer 100 to Penang Airport.

Most Malaysian now still cannot effort that kind of ticket price
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HUMAN LIFE IS PRICELESS !!! every single malaysian life is very valuable asset to the future better nation building.

harga nyawa setiap warganegara malaysia adalah jauh lebih mahal dari harga tiket tu

accident baru je jadi akhir tahun 2011 tu.. n we are not lab rats ok.

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go nuclear?
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You bet...But, we can try like Nevada One solar grid.
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god only give one life to us, human... affordable or not but remember this

HUMAN LIFE IS PRICELESS !!! every single malaysian life is very valuable asset to the future better nation building.

harga nyawa setiap warganegara malaysia adalah jauh lebih mahal dari harga tiket tu

accident baru je jadi akhir tahun 2011 tu.. n we are not lab rats ok.
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BAWA BERTENANG HAC3LINE.

enough of ur anti-chinese statement.
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BAWA BERTENANG HAC3LINE.

enough of ur anti-chinese statement.
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saya tak anti chinese, tapi ini kan thread shinkansen.. so i stated why shinkansen is better than chinese made bullet train

and it have millionssssssssssss of reasonssssssssssss ... japan is also well known as train country
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saya tak anti chinese, tapi ini kan thread shinkansen.. so i stated why shinkansen is better than chinese made bullet train

and it have millionssssssssssss of reasonssssssssssss ... japan is also well known as train country
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Again economic factor should make sense.

Who gonna use the sevice if ticket price >RM500 in Malaysia.
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You bet...But, we can try like Nevada One solar grid.
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Let's says there are ten departures from KL to Singapore everyday, and ten in the opposite direction.  Each carries an average of 200 passengers.  Each passenger pays 50 MYR one way.

50 MYR/passenger x 200 passengers/train x 20 trains/day x 365 days/year x 10 years = 0.730b MYR

Assuming the cost of construction, equipment and ten years of operation is only 5b MYR, which is already a grossly underestimated figure, it takes about 68 years to recoup that cost.  Inclusive of interest, and by making the figure a little more realistic, and assuming it is run without profit, it should probably be at least 20b MYR, which takes 272 years to recoup.  To recoup it in 27.2 years, which is possibly more reasonable, the ticket price may have to be multiplied by ten, making it 500 MYR/passenger one way.
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It is gonna be more than 50 bucks buddy.

Maybe at least 300 or 400 per one way...
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QUOTE(eclectice @ May 25 2012, 12:34 PM)
Planes still rely on fossil fuel to run. Fossil fuel price keeps changing from time to time and it gets worst when it is speculated and it is not sustainable.

Bullet trains rely on electricity but our country still generate it using fossil fuel .

However the cost overrun to manage a fleet of 100 or more planes against 1-to-5 bullet trains should be calculated properly over a number of years in operation.

Malaysia needs to move fast to a cheaper source of generating electricity.
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Even if the railway line uses electricity from fossil fuel, per capita emission will always be lower than planes.

An eight car train can carry about 5xx people, while 737 can carry slightly under 190 passengers.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ May 25 2012, 03:05 AM)
shinkansen ?

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY TAX MONEY
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shinkansen?

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QUOTE(soulseeker6187 @ May 25 2012, 12:43 PM)
Again economic factor should make sense.

Who gonna use the sevice if ticket price >RM500 in Malaysia.
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camtu naik la airasia.. tony fernandes mesti gembira camni

tapi hati aku marah lagi ni dulu jepun offer teknologi roket jaxa-mitsubishi pada malaysia.. semua perancangan terus tak jadi sebab parlimen bising betul marah projek angkasawan yang objektif sebenarnya memang nak bawa masuk teknologi roket besar.. terus kena delay... shialll betul siapa pergi troll masa tu vmad.gif ... malaysia diberi penghormatan bawa research khas jaxa ke angkasa lepas kot masa tu masa projek angkasawan tu..

sekarang jepun offer shinkansen, jangan buat benda bodoh lagi la.. jangan ulang benda bodoh ni berulang kali vmad.gif

jangan kerana guruh di langit terus dibuang semua air di tempayan..
jangan jadi bodoh!! jepun punya teknologi shinkansen diakui amat hebat di dunia ni.
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I DONT THINK NAJIB WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS...AS THERE IS NO CHANCE FOR HIM TO SONGLAP A COUPLE OF BILLIONS TAXPAYERS MONEY THROUGH KICKBAKS/COMMISSION THROUGH HIS PROXY OR CRONY COMPANY....
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I DONT THINK NAJIB WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS...AS THERE IS NO CHANCE FOR HIM TO SONGLAP A COUPLE OF BILLIONS TAXPAYERS MONEY THROUGH KICKBAKS/COMMISSION THROUGH HIS PROXY OR CRONY COMPANY....
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Stop this politic nonsense.

If PR take over, there will be no songlap?

PR is just as corrupt as BN.
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Get this project rolling, prosperity shall come.
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Get this project rolling, prosperity shall come.
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Agreed

dont care either is PR or BN.

this project is the best for people interest.
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Untuk buat apa, buka mulut dan suap...?

Om, nom, nom, nom...
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hope it will be maintained by good company. i do not wish to have train derailed, especially a high speed train such as the bullet train
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if BN dont buy this...i buy...

Welcome SGD, Welcome USD
Welcome Kiasu ppl, Welcome Kiasi ppl

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if BN dont buy this...i buy...
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Someone says something about giving money to Japan... we are in international economic trades and deals, not in war.
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habis ko nak duit tu dapat ke orang jepun..mengalir ke luar negara
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I don't see your reasoning

In the longer run, you have economic multiplier within Malaysia.
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I DONT THINK NAJIB WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS...AS THERE IS NO CHANCE FOR HIM TO SONGLAP A COUPLE OF BILLIONS TAXPAYERS MONEY THROUGH KICKBAKS/COMMISSION THROUGH HIS PROXY OR CRONY COMPANY....
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Japanese also not that clean lah , they have to be clean with their money . But if getting such a deal means paying couple of hundred mil, theyll do it and earn back from interest because Malaysian gov is that stupid
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lu tau manyak duit alir ke luar negara oleh illigal imagrant a...

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it should a good thing right?
to have this type of transportation available in Malaysia
One point i want to stress out is, IF the project is implemented,
there must be a good maintenance scheme.

If not, then it will be such waste, having this tech, but no proper maintenance afterwords.
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We are already giving money directly and indirectly to Japan...Honda, Toyota, Denso, etc...whatever smile.gif
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No problem for Japan to do more project here.

The work ethics is high.

Plus their technologies are much more advanced than us
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Stop this politic nonsense.

If PR take over, there will be no songlap?

PR is just as corrupt as BN.
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power corrupts. the only thing we can do is to not allow ppl to be in power for too long.

in US, the president can only max stay 2 terms. then must change.

here, they rule for 50 years d. and where we are? from an asian tiger, become an asian kucing. i think we are the sick asian kucing now d, not just kucing.

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 12:12 PM)
Plane fare is not cheap.

Just go to AirAsia, want to buy today ticket to Singapore, close to RM 200 (tax excluded)

Then, if tomorrow, still easily RM 120 (without tax too).

Taiwan can do it at RM 149, Taipei to Kaohsiung.

What about airport access time (from KL to LCCT), which often takes close to an hour?
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The Taiwan high speed rail system is probably heavily subsidized by the government. According to reports, it almost went into bankruptcy after operating for two years, and was subsequently taken over by the government.

Near-bankruptcy of the Taiwan High Speed Rail Corporation: What Went Wrong?
International Journal of Business and Management
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School of Business and Design, Swinburne University of Technology
Jalan Simpang Tiga 93350 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
http://ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/ijbm/.../view/6370/6325

A government probably has to be ready to bail out a private high-speed rail system when necessary. I do not mean such a system should not be built, as it has obvious benefits. It is just that the government needs to have the money even if it is started as a private project.

Some countries are facing problems with their high speed railways
Posted by Andrew Bodman on July 12, 2011
http://stophs2.org/news/2719-countries-hsr...-speed-railways

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The Taiwan high speed rail system is probably heavily subsidized by the government.  According to reports, it almost went into bankruptcy after operating for two years, and was subsequently taken over by the government.

Near-bankruptcy of the Taiwan High Speed Rail Corporation: What Went Wrong?
International Journal of Business and Management
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http://ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/ijbm/.../view/6370/6325
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But remember, the construction cost of THSR was high for a few reasons:

- Majority of the section is elevated and tunnel

- Integration of Japanese system with European system which causes delay and cost overrun
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QUOTE(chickenshit36 @ May 25 2012, 02:42 PM)
power corrupts. the only thing we can do is to not allow ppl to be in power for too long.

in US, the president can only max stay 2 terms. then must change.

here, they rule for 50 years d. and where we are? from an asian tiger, become an asian kucing. i think we are the sick asian kucing now d, not just kucing.
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Ur point somewhat true.

But Malaysian politics sucks .

Singapork gov have rule since forever.but their corruption still low.
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if like dat everyone go sg kerja already
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ May 25 2012, 02:51 PM)
if like dat everyone go sg kerja already
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oh like this cancel la shinkansen.. later more brain drain.

cancel la shinkansen camni
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ May 25 2012, 02:51 PM)
if like dat everyone go sg kerja already
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Not really.
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really?
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with high ticket price u expect many people will fork out money to travel ondaily basis
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with high ticket price u expect many people will fork out money to travel ondaily basis
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the pricing not announce yet.. if kerja sg shud b no prob pay the price. The gaji in sg will more than you kerja kl even after pay the price
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oh like this cancel la shinkansen.. later more brain drain.

cancel la shinkansen camni
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ May 25 2012, 03:04 PM)
the pricing not announce yet.. if kerja sg shud b no prob pay the price. The gaji in sg will more than you kerja kl even after pay the price
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Even pricing not annouced yet but if u see the trend of prices in japan, i doubt people will travel daily.
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Economic-of-scale wise, Malaysia, Singapore and Taiwan may have or having a problem with ticket prices to think of if compared to Japan and China since they have a bigger population and country size.
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QUOTE(eclectice @ May 25 2012, 03:09 PM)
Economic-of-scale wise, Malaysia, Singapore and Taiwan may have or having a problem with ticket prices to think of if compared to Japan and China since they have a bigger population and country size.
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It is proposed for the line to be "at-grade" and coastal, meaning the actual construction cost will be far lower.
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Tokyo to Hiroshima in western Japan which is about 900km apart. A normal Shinkansen will cost about JPY18,000, which is approximately RM720.

Kuala Lumpur --- > Singapore : is about 315km

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raw calculation

RM720 / 900km = RM0.80

RM0.80 x 315km = RM252 ... the ticket price based on japanese shinkansen, from KL to Singapore
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 03:18 PM)
Tokyo to Hiroshima in western Japan which is about 900km apart. A normal Shinkansen will cost about JPY18,000, which is approximately RM720.

Kuala Lumpur --- > Singapore : is about 315km

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raw calculation

RM720 / 900km = RM0.80

RM0.80 x 315km = RM252 ... the ticket price based on japanese shinkansen, from KL to Singapore
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and thats like 5 X more than bus and 2 X more than plane.
who gonna use this with that kind of price.
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kampung, the train system from paris to london is more expensive than air travel as well.

however, ppl still take it because its convenient as it sends them right to city center.

do u think it will be the same here? our lcct is in sepang quite far. if they price tickets more expensive than air asia, still will have business.
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maybe shinkansen will lalu bawah bangunan menara warisan merdeka ??
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QUOTE(chickenshit36 @ May 25 2012, 03:26 PM)
kampung, the train system from paris to london is more expensive than air travel as well.

however, ppl still take it because its convenient as it sends them right to city center.

do u think it will be the same here? our lcct is in sepang quite far. if they price tickets more expensive than air asia, still will have business.
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The national plan of HSR in Malaysia has always suggested KL station should be KL Sentral.

Considering Klang Valley itself is getting more metro lines, the future of HSR seems to be good and its competitiveness is "assured".
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 11:19 AM)
Different case.

ERL track record is excellent.

Monorail wheel case was way back in 2003, and now we are able to export monorail to India and Brazil.

At the end of the day, when we need it, we should build it.

Besides, it is not as if the bullet train is managed by KTM anyway.

SRT in Thailand is not perfect, but they still able to run Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link with different service level.
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Monorail wheel case was back in 2003, but a lady got mangled by the monorail just a month and a half ago only, fractured jaw, broken teeth etc.

ERL track record is "excellent" because they have less than 20% capacity during off peak hours, and *maybe* 80% capacity at peak hours, and that's just to South City. AND they're not even making a profit, as passengers at KLIA had to foot the ERL from the ticket even if they don't use the ERL!

End of the day do we build it if we need it? Yes. But in m'sia people forget that after you build it, you need to care for it. You don't just give birth to a baby to play with it and forget to feed it and change its diapers, right?
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QUOTE(pml_318 @ May 25 2012, 01:12 PM)
切符はどこで買えますか? laugh.gif
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nahhh Japan transportation documentary especially about shinkansen... in english


JAPAN HAVE THE MOST EFFICIENT TRAIN SYSTEM IN THIS WORLD !!

punctuality is always #1 in japan !!!
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QUOTE(annalies @ May 25 2012, 03:07 PM)
wow.
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here is special documentary of japanese bullet train engineering : SHINKANSEN


one the most difficult engineering is how to counter natural disaster like earthquake like in japan
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ May 25 2012, 05:18 PM)
as passengers at KLIA had to foot the ERL from the ticket even if they don't use the ERL!
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Not sure if this is true. In any case, people are supposed to fund expensive public transport infrastructures, even if they do not use them. If they feel penalized, they can always use the infrastructure that they indirectly fund. This is an acceptable way in some pretty well-run countries. I do not feel anything wrong, if it is used by KLIA and ERL. It is only if doing so increases the airfare, say, from 500 MYR to 1000 MYR, that it becomes a concern. But this has not happened so far.

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now work at sg can stay at kl ready
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 25 2012, 03:18 PM)
Tokyo to Hiroshima in western Japan which is about 900km apart. A normal Shinkansen will cost about JPY18,000, which is approximately RM720.

Kuala Lumpur --- > Singapore : is about 315km

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raw calculation

RM720 / 900km = RM0.80

RM0.80 x 315km = RM252 ... the ticket price based on japanese shinkansen, from KL to Singapore
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you are not suppose to count like that. JR tickets have distance discount when travelling more than 300km, and next tier at 600km.

Tokyo -> Nagoya would be a better example. 366km, ¥10,580.

so without converting currency, KL->singapore should be more or less RM100, which is a good price.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ May 25 2012, 02:53 AM)
http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/articl...E3E2E2E2;av=ALL
- The Japanese government will conduct its own feasibility studies on KL-Singapore high speed train project

- They want to try to help Japanese firms to enter this project

- One of which, Japanese government may provide financing through JBIC (Japan Bank for International Cooperation) should JR East or JR Central wins the project

- It is estimated that KL-Singapore high speed train line length will be 400 km, journey time of 90 minutes, compared to current rail service which now takes 7 hours

- Greater KL has 7 million people while Singapore has 5 million people
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If this come true that would be nice but the ticket will sure be expansive...
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QUOTE(skincladalien @ May 26 2012, 02:39 PM)
you are not suppose to count like that. JR tickets have distance discount when travelling more than 300km, and next tier at 600km.

Tokyo -> Nagoya would be a better example. 366km, ¥10,580.

so without converting currency, KL->singapore should be more or less RM100, which is a good price.
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Tokyo -> Nagoya .. last time is about ¥10,800, so now rate like that ah ??

convert to Ringgit Malaysia is about RM 427.40

but working in japan earning ¥10,000 is like earning RM100 working in malaysia laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kacanghijau12 @ May 26 2012, 02:45 PM)
If this come true that would be nice but the ticket will sure be expansive...
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not really, skincladalien have a good point by economic of scale it should be around RM100 travelling from KL to singapore if based on japanese experience
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Kampung2005, ada peluang besar akan ada pengumuman rasmi projek shinkansen Malaysia masa perasmian projek bersama kerajaan Malaysia dan kerajaan Jepun, Malaysia-Japan International Institute of Technology biggrin.gif
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http://www.nst.com.my/latest/najib-to-laun...in-june-1.86240

timing dia memang kena.. nak rasmi Malaysia-Japan International Institute of Technology awal bulan depan je pun laugh.gif

sekarang tender MRT, dah ada 31 syarikat dah confirm lawan untuk menang tender tu
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1Malaysia Shinkansen.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 26 2012, 04:11 PM)
Kampung2005, ada peluang besar akan ada pengumuman rasmi projek shinkansen Malaysia masa perasmian projek bersama kerajaan Malaysia dan kerajaan Jepun, Malaysia-Japan International Institute of Technology  biggrin.gif
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http://www.nst.com.my/latest/najib-to-laun...in-june-1.86240

timing dia memang kena.. nak rasmi Malaysia-Japan International Institute of Technology awal bulan depan je pun  laugh.gif

sekarang tender MRT, dah ada 31 syarikat dah confirm lawan untuk menang tender tu
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While in Indon, Japan already conduct feasibility studies.... rclxms.gif
Msia still dreaming oh wai... cry.gif
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QUOTE(hack3line @ May 26 2012, 01:47 PM)
Tokyo -> Nagoya .. last time is about ¥10,800, so now rate like that ah ??

convert to Ringgit Malaysia is about RM 427.40

but working in japan earning ¥10,000 is like earning RM100 working in malaysia  laugh.gif
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Nop...A office Boy in Japan 1 Year salaries just 100,000 Yen around...Mean one month is less than 10,000 Yen. Alot ppl in Japan ned work 2 job only cna survive..

Unless those Otaku.....no plan to get car or wife or house

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 26 2012, 07:51 PM)
Nop...A office Boy in Japan 1 Year salaries just 100,000 Yen around...Mean one month is less than 10,000 Yen.  Alot ppl in Japan ned work 2 job only cna survive..

Unless those Otaku.....no plan to get car or wife or house
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dunno about office boy but malaysia students teaching english language in japan usually earn about 3,000 yen per hour

meaning that if they teach 4 hours english in japan only, they already got more than 10,000 yen like what u said.

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good planning stage.....hail it!! hope for the extension bullet train track all the way to north.....