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post May 22 2012, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ May 22 2012, 08:56 PM)
I wonder if the pepper spray is legal
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post May 22 2012, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(trent666 @ May 22 2012, 06:50 PM)
I've been doing some research on knives and swords. I've consulted the laws, lawyers and cops.

The law you need to refer to is CORROSIVE AND EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES AND OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ACT 1958

Details here:
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Punishment under SECTION 6 (1):
- Maximum two year jail term and whipping.

My interpretation:
1. The law does not describe how "long" the knife has to be to be considered a dangerous weapon.
2. The law clearly stipulates that balisongs/switchblades (both understood by the law as flick knife) and the gravity knives are illegal.
3. The law clearly stipulates that anything designed to stab or pierce flesh is illegal.
4. Swords of all type are strictly forbidden.
5. Swords or other forbidden items are only legal if they are where they are designed to be - e.g. Sword at a Martial Arts Dojo, Parang at a garden shed instead of your car etc

Conclusion:
1. Penknives/pocketknives, by nature of being small and designed for non-lethal use, are not illegal.
2. Multi-tools are designed to be *multi-tools* and thus the knife was not designed for lethal use.
3. Single-hand operated folding knives are subjective.
- If I were to carry one, I would choose a model that is not designed for stabbing (single-sided blade, includes serrated blade. See sample here.)
- Probably not recommended for our ambigous laws.
4. Cops have the discretion to decide whether your penknife etc is forbidden under this law.
5. Even a baton/T-baton/cota can be considered a weapon.

Additional notes:
1. No. I can't import the sword I wanted.
2. I carry a Leatherman Style CS on my keychain*.
3. I equip a small letter opener in the car for practical reasons.
4. I have two SAKs which I keep at home for home use and they have travelled with me overseas (check-in lugguage).

Hope this helps and I look foward to hearing feedback.

*My keychain is my primary self-defence weapon and I hold it whenever I'm in dodgy places.
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nice info. what do u think of this blade in the pocket everyday? it seem safe but also can be use against us by cops interpretation right?
http://www.swissmar.com/can/active/wenger/ranger.htm


Added on May 22, 2012, 9:59 pm
QUOTE(' or 1=1 -- @ May 22 2012, 09:55 PM)
pepper spray is legal smile.gif
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only if use for self defense.

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post May 23 2012, 01:36 AM

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I remember reading in the newspaper last time, there was a guy who got arrested for caring a penknife. He said it was just for his own protection but the police said it's illegal to carry those things around.
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post May 23 2012, 11:38 AM

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that's the reason why we need to discuss this matter and learn what's our right . according to trent666, it's legal since Swiss Army Knife is not the gravity knife or any dangerous blade . a pencil can be a stab knife to , can tell the polis also what different does it make . I suppose the polis don't know the law as stipulated out by trent666. under which ordinance, tell the polis that it's illegal?
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i always have swiss knife under my motorcycle seat, i don't bring it around in my pocket. is it legal?
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post May 24 2012, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(arif85124 @ May 24 2012, 11:01 AM)
i always have swiss knife under my motorcycle seat, i don't bring it around in my pocket. is it legal?
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according to law , nope.
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post May 24 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(trent666 @ May 22 2012, 06:50 PM)
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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 22 2012, 09:58 PM)
nice info. what do u think of this blade in the pocket everyday? it seem safe but also can be use against us by cops interpretation right?
http://www.swissmar.com/can/active/wenger/ranger.htm


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only if use for self defense.
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good info, i just wondering about this topic, to consider myself to bring any kind of weapon for family protection...
i got the baton/cota in my car, that just to big n heavy to bring along while walking....

later i wanna buy besball bat n store inside my home for protection...
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QUOTE(alienfighter @ May 24 2012, 02:16 PM)
good info, i just wondering about this topic, to consider myself to bring any kind of weapon for family protection...
i got the baton/cota in my car, that just to big n heavy to bring along while walking....

later i wanna buy besball bat n store inside my home for protection...
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i have pepper spray in the car and home but there's a problem with it. Instead of paralyzing the criminal action with pepper spray, it may provoke them further if the aggressor overcame the stink. I noticed the Bersih Video and many who got sprayed are still able to run around and not cripple on the spot. i begin to doubt pepper spray.

having a baton or baseball bat is not a total solution in combating a criminal who has a better weapon grade like parang or machete. u will only provoke them . if your weapon is not great don't even take it out.
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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 24 2012, 03:12 PM)
i have pepper spray in the car and home but there's a problem with it. Instead of paralyzing the criminal action with pepper spray, it may provoke them further if the aggressor overcame the stink. I noticed the Bersih Video and many who got sprayed are still able to run around and not cripple on the spot. i begin to doubt pepper spray.

having a baton or baseball bat is not a total solution in combating a criminal who has a better weapon grade like parang or machete. u will only provoke them . if your weapon is not great don't even take it out.
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i aware that, if we realize that our weapon can't compare to them, better don't try...
for me, the baton/baseball bat is a "at least" weapon to protect yourself..

my friend even store golf club in his car... hahhaa
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post May 27 2012, 04:42 PM

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i always carry a paring knife with me and a 9inch chef knife as it in my bag the whole time.
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my experience or rather my dad n i
at this 1 time when i'm around 8/9 we got stop by police officer near the border.they check our car n when they ask us to step out for them to search the whole car my dad told them that we carry a parang right below the driver's seat.when ask why dad said something like this.
kreta bagi bini bawak, takut jugak dia bawa kreta balik malam sorang.
they police officer let us go.
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once i travel with my bro n family, got roadblock then police saw the parang under the seat.. the police just told "sorok skit bang, sarung jgn lupa". if family car i think they also give consideration a bit..
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post May 30 2012, 11:22 PM

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the problem with people carrying weapon like parang in the car is that when encounter with a welding robber, do they know how to use the parang or not. according to expert, most victim were murdered either by their own weapon or provoke the robber to kill them faster than they thought.


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post May 31 2012, 02:13 PM

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How about kitchen knife. It is design to cut meat or fruits not to stab. Is it legal to bring it along?

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post Jun 1 2012, 10:38 AM

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yes understood. a knife has it purposes also. so bringing the knife that suit the objective has a solid ground to prove its purpose. a multi tool knife for urban and outdoor carry different message. so i guess , we don't want to get caught carrying some of the outdoor huge knife and tell the officer that your purpose of carrying this knife is to cut wood or safety belt.
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legal lah, kalau " pisau mainan" (toy) rclxm9.gif brows.gif
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post Sep 21 2012, 03:31 AM

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Sorry for my long abscence from this thread. I've spoken to policemen and lawyers before on this topic and in conclusion, the application of the law in this country is, at best, inconsistent.

The fellows patrolling the streets and manning roadblocks range from the constables fresh out of Pulapol up until a Sergeant and the occasional Sergeant Major and Sub-Inspector out for... erm... fresh air.

So don't expect these people to know the exact details or nuances of the law or even the existence of a particular law, which I've experienced first hand before (non-knife related case. Don't worry, I was never charged. I'm innocent tongue.gif).

Ultimately, a lot will depend on how you explain during your 112 statement that the knife you are carrying was not designed, nor do you intend it, for lethal use.

Now, as pointed out by Low7, the SELF DEFENCE plea did not work in court. This is because there is no provisions in the CORROSIVE AND EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES AND OFFENSIVE WEAPONS ACT 1958, he should have explained that it was for work purposes and the judge would have to set him free.

Hackwire: I will not carry the Wenger Ranger. Long blade, pointed tip and single-handed operation does not help your case when you are in court.

The funny thing about criminal court is that: As the accused, the only thing you need to prove to the court is REASONABLE DOUBT. If your job requires you to cut boxes, carrying a pen knife is perfectly acceptable. If you are a sushi chef, you can explain that you need to bring the knife home for sharpening. I'm an angler. I always have a fishing rod in my boot. My leatherman's main purpose is to cut fishing line smile.gif

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KEEPING WEAPONS IN YOUR CAR

As pointed out by some of you, yes, the police seem to turn a blind eye to the parangs, baseball bats and batons in a car. But not all the time. As mentioned by the others, there was reasons for this - "family car" etc. If it was a car with dodgy looking ahbengs/rajus/alis, it might be a different story.

I have a friend who keeps a bat in the car while my relative keeps a large screwdriver with a nicely homemade holder at the drivers seat. They have both been searched, but they were released after a few questions by the side of the road.

I conclude, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the police have reasons to believe that the two examples above do not have any illegitimate use of the items.

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FINAL THOUGHTS

I'm keen on Benchmade and Spyderco. Problem is, they look really "ganas" and I don't think it can be part of my EDC.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by trent666: Sep 21 2012, 03:34 AM
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i use to have multipurpose pocket knnfe , my parents disilke i have, when i put didnt notice they took away like nothing happen
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QUOTE(hackwire @ May 24 2012, 03:12 PM)
i have pepper spray in the car and home but there's a problem with it. Instead of paralyzing the criminal action with pepper spray, it may provoke them further if the aggressor overcame the stink. I noticed the Bersih Video and many who got sprayed are still able to run around and not cripple on the spot. i begin to doubt pepper spray.

having a baton or baseball bat is not a total solution in combating a criminal who has a better weapon grade like parang or machete. u will only provoke them . if your weapon is not great don't even take it out.
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the pepper spray u have might be pirated goods.
try to get 1 from watson..or some other reputable self defense shop.
the 1 from watson, trust me, will put u down on bended knees even if you so much as take a sniff from 0.5mtr apart..
u can try experimenting it..
so long as it hit that person's face or upper body parts, there is NO way he can still stand.
The best way is to try it on urself. else i am jst a keyboard wrrior...

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