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Roshie
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Aug 1 2012, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(Goldiger79 @ Aug 1 2012, 02:26 AM) Hi Roshi, thank you. I never though of taking out so much water from the tank. Because I don't store aged water. Basically, I can assume sponge and mechanical filters can use tap water but biological media must use tank water? No worries bro. Yeah, basically we don't wanna disrupt the beneficial bacteria inside the biological filter. In my experience, I found it safe enough to wash the sponge (the one at the filter intake) with tap water. But be sure to NOT let the media out too long it may dry up and kill all those precious little thing Oh if you wanna be sure, you can also use dechlorinator or conditioner on tap water to give you the extra safe water for cleaning the filter.
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Goldiger79
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Aug 1 2012, 11:18 AM
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Setup a new planted tank substrate. Good read by Francis Xavier. I been reading his post since yesterday at plantedtank forum. Maybe weijie bro can include in first page with substrate post  Francis Xavier explains carefully why we use each element (5 element) and how much to use. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(Francis Xavier;1776294) Getting Started with the Substrate
Earlier I mentioned that professional's "cheat," and the first step towards cheating to stack the odds in your favor is having a killer substrate system.
If you refer to my previous major post, I went over a series of three steps towards starting out right with your planted aquarium. Step one: Bacteria & step two: Chemistry is the area where you will want to focus the most on when setting your substrate.
Of course, Step three: nutrients is wildly covered by Aqua Soil Amazonia, and doesn't need much to talk about: it really just is the work horse of growing plants.
Side Story: Awhile back I had a customer come in and ask about Amazonia, saying he wanted to give it a try. He had been using eco-complete and flourite for years and I told him a simple fact: "if you can grow plants in eco-complete and flourite well, you will be a god with aqua soil." Sure enough he showed me a few photographs of his plantings, and he could indeed grow plants quite well with eco-complete and flourite.
Sure enough he got some aqua soil, and for a while I hadn't heard back from him, and to be honest, had completely forgotten about him. Well, the other day he comes back and shares his enthusiastic results with Amazonia saying that the plants grew so fast that he was able to achieve in 3 months what took him 2 years to grow using the other substrates.
Alternatives to Aqua Soil: Hagen has recently released a new product, Fluval Substrate. Third party testimony says that it grows plants fairly well, however I have not had any first hand experience with this product and cannot honestly give a side by side comparison, though I'm sure others can.
Back to Basics: Starting the Substrate
Aqua Soil leaches a lot of acidity. If you refer to the previous post, you know the effects of excessive acidity: the plants are burned at the root. While aqua soil by itself does not provide enough acid to burn plants out, plants -do- wildly benefit by a way to neutralize the acidity at the root level.
Penac P & Penac W: Add three spoons of each
These two additives come in first, and they do precisely two things: neutralize the over-acidification of soil and rapidly oxygenate the water at the substrate level.
This means two things for you: plant roots grow easier and are more healthy and it means that the initial rapid oxygenation helps spurn bacterial growth immensely.
Adding Penac P (spoon comes included with all ADA additives):

Spread Penac P evenly against the bottom pane of glass:

On top of Penac P, add Penac W in the same way, and you'll have something that looks like this:

Tourmaline BC: add ten spoons
Referring back to Step 1, it's important we foster bacterial growth and longevity as quickly as possible to get the aquarium as stable as possible so we do not have to deal with major algae outbreaks.
The best way to think of Tourmaline BC is to think of it as a high purity carbon (which it's not, but it does a similar task) which purifies water and helps in the break down of toxicity, waste, etc.
Adding Tourmaline BC:

Now your Aquarium should look like this after 10 spoons of Tourmaline:

The importance of tourmaline is that it helps to break down the waste that builds up over time in the substrate and makes it harder for plant roots to grow.
Next up: Adding Power Sand
In Nano-aquaria, Power sand is not necessarily needed due to size, however in this case I want some heavy slope, so using power sand helps to stabilize the soil and slope for build up without break down.
However, normally what Power Sand does is serve as a "home" for the bacteria to thrive in: like biological filter media it provides a highly porous surface area which allows these bacteria to thrive. Meaning that when plant roots reach and attach to power sand their roots essentially become super charged!
Power Sand also contains peat, so it has extra nutritional additives to the aquarium, but again, Amazonia does the bulk of the work on this front.
Spread the Power Sand evenly across the bottom, and leave the front open to prevent power sand from being seen in the viewing panel:

Adding Bacter 100: The Bacteria - 3 spoons minimum, I used 10
Next up, Add Bacter 100. This is the dormant bacteria which will do all of the heavy lifting with promoting healthy roots through synergistic bacteria. It is not possible to over dose this additive.
Spread it evenly so that the Bacter will thrive in the Power Sand.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7060/6833533...a8700c7e0_z.jpg
Bacter 100 spread evenly over power sand (you can also put this underneath power sand on the glass, either or works):
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/6979654...a267e7660_z.jpg
Another use for Bacter 100 is to eliminate cyano-bacteria should it appear in the tank, apply directly on top of it and it will eat it away.
Add Clear Super: 3 spoons, food for bacteria.
Clear Super is simply a food source for the bacteria. Until the aquarium becomes established we have to add a food source for them to grow and thrive, otherwise the bacteria will die off.
Add three spoons of Clear Super over Bacter 100:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/6833534...3aa385c45_z.jpg
The Completed Substrate system:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7205/6979663...2d233ce8a_z.jpg
Last Steps: Adding Aqua Soil
For a nano aquarium we use powder type since it allows smaller plants to spread roots easier as well as to keep the perspective in the Nano aquarium properly in place.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7050/6979668...4ccdc463e_z.jpg
Afterwards, use a tool, such as Sand Flattener to smooth out the substrate and keep the substrate line straight in the front.
Do the Additives really do anything?
The key to long term healthy plants is root health. The additives precisely promote this type of growth and health. For comparison sake here are two examples of two aquariums with and without additives and their roots.
These aquariums have been up for the same amount of time, same dosing, same lighting, same core products (aqua soil), while not an exact one for one, it's a broad illustration that you can evaluate for yourself the differences (it's more about the overall picture here) :
With no additives (please forgive the reflection, lots of light in the room!) :
Take note of the root growth and cyano bacteria in substrate:
glosso:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7047/6987670...4beccf95d_z.jpg
Blyxa and Rotala Stems:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7064/6841547...0f5d4888a_z.jpg
Now, with additives:
Hair Grass (note, hair grass has pretty insane root growth regardless, pay more attention to the overall substrate 'health') :
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6841548...fe46edf17_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7047/6841546...8302bbee3_z.jpg
Exercise: Read over this post a few times, take notes if you'd like, and share what you're working on or if you're starting an aquarium and would like to follow play-by-play link back here! P.S. if you've found these techniques valuable, help share the information with new comers by linking back here in your own journals when you use my techniques! Source = http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showpost...94&postcount=25
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kimimaro_kun
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Aug 1 2012, 11:27 AM
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i'm thinking of replacing the glosso in my nano tank with other foreground plant.
failed to make the glosso carpet nicely make me really stress.
but i dont want to invest more money on light. 16w is enough already for my nano tank..
any suggestion? about those hair grass, they really need high light??
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calvin_ng
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Aug 1 2012, 11:33 AM
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Japanese dwarf hairgrass need cold water below 27*c mine in my 4ft seems not growing hahaha too hot... Glosso will grow maybee you try to pump in more co2... it some how works for me
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arrow
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Aug 1 2012, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(Goldiger79 @ Aug 1 2012, 09:41 AM) When washing HOB filter last night. I take out my HOB from tank. Taking it out disturb the tank a bit. Because my intake pipe got sponge to prevent frys suck in. The sponge let go dust so the dust make the water cloudy bit. After that I bring HOB to toilet, pour all the tank water and bio ring into a pail. I use the same tank water to wash bio ring and sponge. But the tank water is dirty so when I put back HOB inside my tank and run, all the dirt that stuck back in the sponge and bio ring flow into the tank make whole tank dusty cloudy. Of course it settle after some time. But is this right method? Will it harm my fish and plants? Anything I do wrong? fish no harm , plant just get dirty, shrimps may suffer. Get one 11L mineral water to store dechlorinated water for tank topup and wash your stuff(filter etc). Put some filter floss near the hob outlet , will trap most fine debris, throw and replace new one everytime you clean filter, the used floss can be use to seed your new eheim 2217 with bacteria in the future. Since you already have a running tank, you should now seed some filter media for your new 4ft tank, this will reduce the new tank cycling time significantly. You can use a small internal breeding tank, put some new filter media and arrange it under the HOB water outlet. When you ready to setup the new tank , transfer the seeded media to your filter or just move the whole breeding tank to your new tank, put it under the filter output outlet.
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Goldiger79
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Aug 1 2012, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(arrow @ Aug 1 2012, 12:21 PM) fish no harm , plant just get dirty, shrimps may suffer. Get one 11L mineral water to store dechlorinated water for tank topup and wash your stuff(filter etc). Put some filter floss near the hob outlet , will trap most fine debris, throw and replace new one everytime you clean filter, the used floss can be use to seed your new eheim 2217 with bacteria in the future. Since you already have a running tank, you should now seed some filter media for your new 4ft tank, this will reduce the new tank cycling time significantly. You can use a small internal breeding tank, put some new filter media and arrange it under the HOB water outlet. When you ready to setup the new tank , transfer the seeded media to your filter or just move the whole breeding tank to your new tank, put it under the filter output outlet. Hello arrow bro  One of my fish look sad plus weak. Maybe because the water I put in not dechlorinated in big amount. Usually I put tap water inside they also fine. But now I know, next time keep a big bottle of declhorinated. But keeping this aged water, I thought should provide aeration also. Hmm Okok, next time I will use a filter floss, I always thought want to try DIY a sponge at the outloet of HOB but don't know how do it. Hmm, your idea use filter media put in interna breeding tank very good! I will absolutely do that
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arrow
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Aug 1 2012, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Goldiger79 @ Aug 1 2012, 01:42 PM) Hello arrow bro  One of my fish look sad plus weak. Maybe because the water I put in not dechlorinated in big amount. Usually I put tap water inside they also fine. But now I know, next time keep a big bottle of declhorinated. But keeping this aged water, I thought should provide aeration also. Hmm Okok, next time I will use a filter floss, I always thought want to try DIY a sponge at the outloet of HOB but don't know how do it. Hmm, your idea use filter media put in internal breeding tank very good! I will absolutely do that  Only get those internal breeding tank with SUCTION CUP, size vary depend on your tank. I use this (refer picture) for my 40cm tank water top-up , new filter media seeding, nitrate sucking plant sanctuary, temporary shrimps refuge camp, during new tank setup(pouring in of water [Throw away those dirty soil plastic bag].  Move the breeding tank up and down to adjust/minimize the flow of water to the soil. What you mean with this "Maybe because the water I put in not dechlorinated in big amount. Usually I put tap water inside they also fine. ?? Don't play play with water, ALWAYS use dechlorinated water, you run the risk of killing all the good bacteria in your tank/filter. And during new tank setup when you put ADA 5 elements - Bacter 100 under the substrate, you just render it useless by pouring in UN-dechlorinated water which kill all the dormant Bacter 100 bacteria. This post has been edited by arrow: Aug 1 2012, 04:15 PM
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deric79k
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Aug 1 2012, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Aug 1 2012, 05:39 AM) theres a few sellers selling them in the lyn pet sectiongot it free from a friend when i was in Miri last 2 weeks. well, they arent as good as those SAE, ottos or yamatoes~, but they still eat my hair algae on the wall of my tank, i find they are much more gentle, unlike ottos, they dont swim here swim there, swim up or down when transferred to a new place, but just slowly 'melekat' at the tank dindings this one i can safely say, they are shrimp safe like ottos lol. not 100% sure, but from the looks of their mouth it seems they cant even open wide enuff to eat those shrimp eggs btw, where to get very fine brown sand? or where can self collect from the wild? looking like the one in the desert type. heard they are not very suitable for aquascaping since they are too fine? Whose the one sell?
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kimimaro_kun
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Aug 2 2012, 06:59 AM
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QUOTE(arrow @ Aug 1 2012, 04:01 PM) Only get those internal breeding tank with SUCTION CUP, size vary depend on your tank. I use this (refer picture) for my 40cm tank water top-up , new filter media seeding, nitrate sucking plant sanctuary, temporary shrimps refuge camp, during new tank setup(pouring in of water [Throw away those dirty soil plastic bag]. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Move the breeding tank up and down to adjust/minimize the flow of water to the soil. What you mean with this "Maybe because the water I put in not dechlorinated in big amount. Usually I put tap water inside they also fine. ?? Don't play play with water, ALWAYS use dechlorinated water, you run the risk of killing all the good bacteria in your tank/filter. And during new tank setup when you put ADA 5 elements - Bacter 100 under the substrate, you just render it useless by pouring in UN-dechlorinated water which kill all the dormant Bacter 100 bacteria. thx for the info sifu arrow... QUOTE(deric79k @ Aug 1 2012, 09:05 PM) blue grass aquatic.. you can find him in FB and also pet store
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deric79k
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Aug 2 2012, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(kimimaro_kun @ Aug 2 2012, 06:59 AM) thx for the info sifu arrow... blue grass aquatic.. you can find him in FB and also pet store Thanks
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bartbarb
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Aug 2 2012, 11:51 AM
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Anyone use those commercial hang-on Cooling Fan before? Is it really that effective, or it just the same as a DIY dc fan ?
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arrow
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Aug 2 2012, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Aug 1 2012, 09:05 PM) AI also selling borneo sucker, bro flipmode and sang gemok both bought 4 each  . price quite cheap less than rm5 per tail.
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Goldiger79
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Aug 2 2012, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(arrow @ Aug 1 2012, 04:01 PM) Only get those internal breeding tank with SUCTION CUP, size vary depend on your tank. I use this (refer picture) for my 40cm tank water top-up , new filter media seeding, nitrate sucking plant sanctuary, temporary shrimps refuge camp, during new tank setup(pouring in of water [Throw away those dirty soil plastic bag].  Move the breeding tank up and down to adjust/minimize the flow of water to the soil. What you mean with this "Maybe because the water I put in not dechlorinated in big amount. Usually I put tap water inside they also fine. ?? Don't play play with water, ALWAYS use dechlorinated water, you run the risk of killing all the good bacteria in your tank/filter. And during new tank setup when you put ADA 5 elements - Bacter 100 under the substrate, you just render it useless by pouring in UN-dechlorinated water which kill all the dormant Bacter 100 bacteria. Can I ask how determine dechlorinated water!!! Killing bacteria scared me! Dechlorinated is take tap water put somewhere else + anti-chlorine ocrrect? I only have 1rm bottle aquadine. Can recommend a good quality to me? arrow can give guide how to prepare the water? I never though of this.
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arrow
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Aug 2 2012, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(Goldiger79 @ Aug 2 2012, 02:07 PM) Can I ask how determine dechlorinated water!!! Killing bacteria scared me! Dechlorinated is take tap water put somewhere else + anti-chlorine ocrrect? I only have 1rm bottle aquadine. Can recommend a good quality to me? arrow can give guide how to prepare the water? I never though of this.  I prepare by putting anti~chlorine into big mineral bottle 11L with tap water, left it overnight, but sometime I use it straight away.  , no harm so far. I use seachem prime(cheaper in long run) though you paid more first around rm45 for 250ml, lot of ppl using nutrafin, so you can try that as well. Dont use API stress coat,it leave a slime white smelly coat at the bottom my mineral bottle. you only have 2 tank, buy a better antichlorine can last very long, use your rm1 aquadine for your guppy tank. and get 2 big big mineral bottle.
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jctasoga
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Aug 2 2012, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(bartbarb @ Aug 2 2012, 11:51 AM) Anyone use those commercial hang-on Cooling Fan before? Is it really that effective, or it just the same as a DIY dc fan ? i saw in japan aquarium shop, no cooling fan, it was 28c. on the comparison side, cooling fan on same size aquarium, its 26c. 2c difference. the aquarium is nano 1ft type. Added on August 2, 2012, 3:51 pmfor those with small aquarium ie nano tanks, u can actually put an inverted (upside down) 1 liter bottle like our coca-cola bottle and it will auto top up as the water reduces. some scientific term to it.. but it works! i may try it on my 4ft tank.. haha This post has been edited by jctasoga: Aug 2 2012, 03:51 PM
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TSweijie
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Aug 2 2012, 04:08 PM
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jctasoga:
what is the ambient temperature? it is highly affect the performance of cooling fan.
yeps thats another alternative for auto-top. but for sure it wouldnt look nice if you have a coca-cola bottle on top of your nano tank.
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kimimaro_kun
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Aug 2 2012, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Aug 2 2012, 03:43 PM) for those with small aquarium ie nano tanks, u can actually put an inverted (upside down) 1 liter bottle like our coca-cola bottle and it will auto top up as the water reduces. some scientific term to it.. but it works! i may try it on my 4ft tank.. haha can you draw some diagram for that? long holidays is coming.. you maybe can patent it and claim your royalty...
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deric79k
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Aug 2 2012, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(bartbarb @ Aug 2 2012, 11:51 AM) Anyone use those commercial hang-on Cooling Fan before? Is it really that effective, or it just the same as a DIY dc fan ? I use the ac fan 120mm x120mm the size
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LuQEE
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Aug 2 2012, 10:15 PM
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i miss alot of spams these days... company wont let me excess the forums..what did i miss?
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bartbarb
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Aug 2 2012, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Aug 2 2012, 09:22 PM) I use the ac fan 120mm x120mm the size how effective it was, it said able to drop down til 4c max
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