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 RON 95 CAUSED DAMAGES, Rumours has been spreading around.

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alg7_munif
post Aug 1 2012, 10:28 PM

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Google: Octane rating, knock sensor, ignition timing.

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alg7_munif
post Aug 2 2012, 05:33 AM

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Using RON 97 for Toyota Hybrid cars is even useless since most of the torque comes from the electric motor. The engine is mostly for charging and less for power.
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post Aug 2 2012, 03:00 PM

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Google: Mazda CX5 Compression Ratio, Fuel RON requirement.

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alg7_munif
post Oct 22 2012, 10:02 AM

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Found this article on the web and we should be thankful that we are not residing in the US.
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/regular-cars-t...e.html?page=all

QUOTE(izso @ Aug 24 2012, 09:56 PM)
I would love to do this. But it would be quite redundant and expensive.

Most modern cars these days need time for the ECU to adjust to the octane differences. Pump in RON95 and give it a day or 2 to adapt. Go dyno.

Then when almost empty fill with RON97 and drive around until it's almost empty then fill up with RON97 again. Go dyno.

That way the ECU will have plenty of time to adapt and it'll be close to fair depending on the conditions you go for the dyno.

These days people think the ECU adapts instantaneously... it doesn't unless you reset it and force it to relearn there and then or program it (if possible) to utilize the octane differences.
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Actually the ECU will adapt very quick based on the feedback from knock sensor. To simplify, this is how it works: the ECU will take a step forward towards the knocking point in every combustion cycle until the knock sensor detects a knocking then it will take a few steps back in a cycle. After that it will take a step forward again for every cumbustion cycle until knock is detected again. This process will be repeating again and again.

How it adapts to a lower RON: it detects a knock and take a few steps back, then when the knock is still detected, it takes another few steps back until knock is no longer detected. After that it will take a step forward again in every cycle until knock is detected again and it takes a few steps back.
alg7_munif
post Oct 23 2012, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Oct 23 2012, 06:05 PM)
Unfortunately the EURO standards are more for emissions control than outright performance. I'm more interested in the additional additives that they have put in for the new fuel but I have yet to check it out.


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Yes but that has nothing to do with R&D (you terpesong to R&D). It's all economics. Fuel stations will have to build additional holding tanks. Tankers will have to transport more fuel types. Not worth the few cents of savings to the public. Even now, stations serving RON97 is beginning to disappear but I'm sure they have some form of 'agreement' (gun to their head) with the gov that each brand must have XX amount of RON 97.

Therefore, it is not viable to provide RON92 in a subsidised market. Nothing to do with R&D.
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I've read somewhere before, probably on Paultan but can't find the article, it said that our fuel stations can have multiple type of fuel at the pumps without any problem or any additional investment. However there would still be some problem in term of keeping enough stock for the type of fuel that is most in demand.

Euro standard is indeed more for emission control but it also dictates a cleaner fuel requirement which will make your engine last longer and able to retain its power output better after a period of time.
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post Oct 23 2012, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 23 2012, 09:25 PM)
for older car using cis-e injection, the ign timing would restore within seconds after knocking stopped.
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This is what I meant before when I said the ECU will take a few steps back when knocking is detected and will take a step forward at a time after the knocking stops. Then when it detects the knocking again, it will repeat the same process. Just like sleepwalker said, if the engine is not designed to take advantage from high RON fuel, it won't be able to extract more performance from the higher RON fuel.

 

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