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ianlee
post Apr 28 2016, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Apr 27 2016, 12:14 PM)
suggest me any good whey protein for keto? (high protein, low carb)
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I use ON Gold Standard Whey. Only 3g of carbs per scoop which should be low enough to keep you from hitting your daily carb limit.

Another good brand I've seen recommended is Dymatize Whey (1g of carb only per scoop) but it is constantly out of stock.
ianlee
post Apr 28 2016, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Apr 28 2016, 04:21 PM)
thanks

another q

do u guys experience intense pain at you forehead?
i've been in keto for almost 2 weeks
the pain start on 3rd days until now
hurt more during exercise & after exercise
sometimes feels like want to pitam

the doc said it just sinus and gave me pain killer but i don't have any flu tho
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Not sure if related to keto or not but make sure you drink enough water and also replenish your electrolytes (Drink some chicken broth)
ianlee
post May 26 2016, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 26 2016, 09:47 AM)
Nah. Not lawan buddy.

I'm NOT saying YOU'RE stupid.

I'm saying there's a lot of stuff online which is stupid.

You only look bigger from keto possibly because:-
1.Growth response as a beginner
2. Illusion because of being leaner
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Scientific Journal: The effects of ketogenic dieting on skeletal muscle and fat mass - Jacob T Rauch, Jeremy E Silva, Ryan P Lowery, Sean A McCleary, Kevin A Shields, Jacob A Ormes, Matthew H Sharp, Steven I Weiner, John I Georges, Jeff S Volek, Dominic P D’agostino, Jacob M Wilson.

Link: http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-11-S1-P40.pdf

Excerpt:
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Background

This is the first study ever to research very low carbohydrate ketogenic dieting (VLCKD) relative to a traditional high carbohydrate diet in resistance trained athletes.

Methods

Twenty-six college aged resistance trained men volunteered to participate in this study and were divided into VLCKD (5 % CHO, 75 % Fat, 20 % Pro) or a traditional western diet (55 % CHO, 25 % fat, 20 % pro). All subjects participated in a periodized resistance-training program 3x per week. Body fat and lean mass were determined via dual xray absorptiometry (DXA), while muscle mass was determined via ultrasonography analysis of the quadriceps. All measures were taken at week 0 and 11.

Results

Lean body mass increased to a greater extent in the VLCKD (4.3 ± 1.7 kgs ) as compared to the traditional group (2.2 kg ± 1.7).

Ultrasound determined muscle mass increased to a greater extent in the VLCKD group (0.4 ± 0.25 cm) as compared to the traditional western group (0.19 ± 0.26 cm). Finally fat mass decreased to a greater extent in the VLCKD group (-2.2 kg ± 1.2 kg) as compared to the traditional group (- 1.5 ± 1.6 kg).

Conclusions

These results indicate that VLCKD may have more favorable changes in LBM, muscle mass, and body fatness as compared to a traditional western diet in resistance trained males.


Also worth reading:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/can-you-bu...genic-diet.html
ianlee
post May 26 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 26 2016, 10:43 AM)
well that link also concludes by -
and that 1st study, why determine muscle mass by quads? instead of overall?
then again, imo...any diet still works...but one should select based on long term as its basically a life style change.
doing something that as that 2nd link only recommends for the short term is basically short changing urself.
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Maybe because the quads are the biggest muscle, hence easier to measure? I honestly don't know but all I was trying to do was to dispel the myth that it is IMPOSSIBLE to build muscle while on a low carb diet.

And yes, I agree that most diets work, it all depends on how committed you are smile.gif


ianlee
post May 26 2016, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 26 2016, 10:57 AM)
i guess so can build muscle, but is it optimal? probably not, and definitely not in the long term.
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Honestly curious why would you say that is. Granted, more long term studies need to be done (Probably will take a while as this way of eating isn't mainstream) but I wanna know why you think it isn't optimal

Anecdotally, I've seen many people who use Keto and build muscle in the long term (This guy is on keto for more than a decade https://www.instagram.com/darthluiggi)
ianlee
post May 26 2016, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 26 2016, 11:21 AM)
that guy - link broken btw - is probably on a higher protein ratio.

and before u go posting more links...
straight from the horse's mouth.
http://ketogains.com/2016/02/ketogains-ket...context-part-1/
anyway, im not really bothered to follow a low carb...cos i get headaches.
currently im following just a basic something like 35% protein / 25-30% fat / rest filled up by carbs...gonna see how this goes for next month tongue.gif
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Yeah it depends on your goals but the common denominator for keto is low carb.

And higher protein doesn't mean it isnt keto right?

Of course I agree it isn't for everyone, what's best is the diet you can stick to right? thumbsup.gif

Sidenote: I've tried keto in the past with great results, and just started keto again about 3 months ago. (Also, you probably have headaches due to low electrolytes, very common in early stages. Supplementing with some broth or sodium will help a lot)
ianlee
post May 26 2016, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 26 2016, 04:23 PM)
http://jcdfitness.com/2015/05/if-you-want-...-low-carb-trap/

Lastly. Evidence. Me on high carb diet.

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Literally NO ONE is disputing the fact that you can build muscle on high carbs, all I'm saying is that being on keto does not mean you CAN'T build muscle. There are studies that show you can build muscle on low carbs, just as well as you can on a high carb. For some people with insulin sensitivity (like myself) going high carb will be detrimental to my health. Is it honestly that hard to accept that different people react differently to certain diets?

I'm not trying to point score or anything. I'm offering a different view. Not everyone's physiology works well with Keto, the same goes for high carbs or any of the other thousands of diets out there.

 

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