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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V23 - Dead or Alive!

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kongjong
post May 18 2012, 10:05 AM

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Known Issues
1. [FLX]CVT light comes on while driving.
Indicates that the CVT is experiencing abnormal operation condition, cause by overheat, belt slip, pulley slip among other reasons. Usually the car will go into safe mode where your speed will be limited to 40km/h until the condition is corrected. If possible, pull over and wait for the warning light to expire, then drive to the nearest SC.

2. [FL/FLX]Rythmic knocking sound from rear wheels that follows vehicle speed.
The sound is from the drumbrake. So far no member who experienced this has been given an explanation as to why this occurs, except that it doesn't affect braking performance. Proceed to the nearest Proton Edar Service Center (NOT authorised SCs) or better yet, CoSE to have it replaced.

3. [FLX]CVT variants experience more than usual engine braking when going downhill
This is normal, as the CVT variant is tuned differently than a normal A/T car. When detecting that the car is going down a decline, the CVT will downshift, causing the RPM to shoot up and the engine to whine quite loudly. However, it is advised to ease your throttle control (press or release slowly and gently) to prevent belt slip.

above are the known issues stated on the 1st post. some questions here, hope some expert here to help.
1. is this happen to all saga cvt?
2. cvt faces the drumbrake problem also? can this being solve by service at SC? after service, will this problem back again and again with no real cure?
3. since this is normal, it simply means it isnt a problem, right?

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kongjong
post May 20 2012, 03:57 PM

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drumbrake problem seems no cure to it. some ppl comment as long as under warranty, saga users are allowed to exchange for new one foc. but the point is this not a long term solution. how abt after 3 years warranty? it the problem come once a month (conservative measure), exchange a new drumbrake + labor could cost more than RM50/100. will proton solves this problem thoroughly? i yet to own saga flx but plan to get one. if those problem remains, i had to postpone the plan. any idea abt those issues like drumbrake & dashboard sound? pls comment.

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post May 20 2012, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 20 2012, 04:02 PM)
Only RM50/100 for NEW drumbrake & labour charges?

Bro...that's VERY CHEAP man!!!  rclxm9.gif
Pleez dun complain, ok?  icon_rolleyes.gif

ps. My ole gen Saga Ori one costs RM400 each!! NOT including labour!!! sweat.gif
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RM50-100 jz a conservative guess. if we'll need to service the same stupid problems every month if 1 month cost 100, 12 months = RM1200. this amount eating into installment payment which is big disadvantage to take up a problematic car.

complain bcos i like this car & plan to have it once the problem solved on the new batch of saga.
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post May 21 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 20 2012, 11:56 PM)
I have no warranty. Call me a jerk, but my finding as below:

1) Got my car with screeching brake noise from the back. It consistently behave like this every now and then. As long as the car stationary for more than 2 hours, then the sound appear. Bring the car out, did several side brake drift, now its gone(so does my tyres blush.gif )

2) After I got rid of the brake screeching sound, another annoying weird sound appeared like something knocking back/forth when I hit/release brake hard, especially during cold start in the morning/late evening. I practice left foot braking(learn from Initial D Knight Kids Civic) to grind my brake pads, and it doesn't help much. Whenever its cold, the annoying sound came back. I drove to my mech ask him to release handbrake tension, now I no longer hear the brake sound anymore, but hand brake tarak makan anymore, need to pull atleast 5 tick to secure the car.

According to my mech, the handbrake cable is toooooooo damn loose(design problem). If tighten to normal handbrake angle, such as 2 ticks full stop, then the brake cylinder will be in tension even the brake is released. This is the cause of the screeching sound. Another problem is, since the brake cylinder in tension, after the brake pads grinds in well, the gab between the drum and the shoe is widen. Whenever brake/release can hear the cylinder pull back hard since the brakes is in tension.

Reason we advise people to claim is, since covered by warranty, might as well claim. If after warranty, will you still change brake pad every 3 months? I don't think so. If you really can't stand it, just let loose your handbrake a little bit. That should be fine already. By the way, found drum brake sets for RM45 at SOLO MOTOR in Sri Kembangan + RM10 labor charge at tyre shop across the street.
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nice one davidke20. rclxms.gif
davidke20 mentioned the brake issue happen every now and then shakehead.gif , which is a very annoying problem if i am on the car. vmad.gif
this is the best comment/advice i've been looking for. not trying to complain proton, jz want to know the solution or new batch of saga with no such issues, of cos prefer the latter.
want to clarify something here: is releasing the hand brake tension able solve the drumbrake issue?!
what if i tend to own CVT auto which uses P to park & lock car tyre, so i wont very much relying on hand brake, right?
can the handbrake cable replaced? roughly how much it cost? will this solve the whole problem then?

again, thank davidke20 for comment.

QUOTE(lhwj @ May 21 2012, 12:01 AM)
I think his point was, there shouldn't be any brake problems in the first place. No problem, no complaint 
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lhwj got me right. cheers, bro. it just kinda annoying whenever u press the brake, sound come. isnt it a function of horn, instead of brake?!!! hahaha.... tongue.gif
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post May 21 2012, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 21 2012, 10:13 AM)
In ole Saga days, it was widely known that there were 2 groups of vendors...a better supplier for higher end variants! rolleyes.gif
As such, buyers of lower end variants eg std specs cars, wld b fitted with lower quality items supplied @lower costs...thus more probs. sad.gif

However, it now appears it's a totally new scenario cos even top end variants eg FLX SE also suffer similar fate!!
Phew... doh.gif sweat.gif
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yes, zeone.
happen to FLX SE as well no excluding from standard 1.3 to 1.6 SE.
perhaps, those parts vendor being selected based on car range with consideration of cost mostly. cry.gif
anyway, i'm impressed by saga cvt series which makes me want to own one. drool.gif even perodua doesnt have it.
hahaha... think i need to be patient a bit till the issues gone... will its? hmm.gif
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post May 21 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 21 2012, 10:32 AM)
Yup, the Saga is truly Value for $$$$ car of good reasonably up2date tech specs. thumbup.gif
If only vendors given tender 2supply parts are of more integrity & responsibility when earning a living, then Proton cars wld b a very good choice!
Unfortunately, that has NOT been the case... sad.gif
Wld the present probs go away? hmm.gif
Mayb with vendors who hv a conscience & integrity when making profits....??
Your guess as good as anyone's... rolleyes.gif
Hv a good week, Bro! smile.gif
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the possibility those problems gone is 50:50, jz a wild guess. some may think, it's not possible while i think the possibility still there.
since most of the saga faces the same stupid issues, proton (or DRBHCOM) will look into it as the FOC warranty cost to them is relatively higher than replacing a quality one to buyers/saga owner. of cos subject to not the saga design issue. i dont think proton really willing to pay those FOC warranty for free for 3 years while under warranty which is very very costly to them (in the view of management, if i am one. hahahah.).

as a saga owner, sure we'll make use those 3 yrs warranty to replace anything has problem as frequent as possible so we'll feel value for money, rite? hahahaa.... at the same time irritated with it.

i did left a msg to proton edar FB on the issues as well, but dont think they will reply to nobody. hahaha. laugh.gif
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post May 21 2012, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Bobdog118 @ May 21 2012, 10:59 AM)
I don't think they will reply u in FB...lol They won't take risk to reply in public
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yes, u r right, bobdog.
hence, i only sent private msg in fb.


Added on May 21, 2012, 11:07 am
QUOTE(lhwj @ May 21 2012, 10:57 AM)
DRB will change a lot of the suppliers to their own ones.
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well, lhwj, this makes lot of senses. thumbup.gif

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post May 21 2012, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 21 2012, 12:22 PM)
Auto gear stuck at P to engage clutch brake. If you're at slope, great chance u spoil the clutch, and if it spoilt, you may find our car across the street, or worse if u @ Bt Ferringhi. Henbrek is utilize rubber to "giap" the metal, inorder to stop vehicle from moving,lease harm can do to the car. Even if u pull the car by force, the most it harm your tyre but that's it. So, don't try silly thing by apply "P" without henbrek brows.gif

The problem I encounter is NOT a case to case issue. Henbrek cable came in massive production, the designed is slightly over length(or the mounting of cable end not at the right place). To overcome this, redesign the cable/remount to the correct length. Will Plotong correct this in the long run? I don't think so. Their engineer rather keep their job to admit this tiny overlooked ERROR. Heard the brake cable actually share with PERSOGA also rclxms.gif but no problem with PERSOGA bcoz the length is correct. To customize a correct length cable will cost a bomb for any end user like u & me. Go ask those people who modify EG6 rear disc brake to ISWAGA, they have the exact same problem as us.

Previously I was so convinced with the brake pad issue, until my mech open up the drum found there are still very thick rubber in it, only we decided to release henbrek tension. Was originally thinking of add washer ring to the cable mounting to cheat a correct length, but thinking of after awhile when the brakepad makan nipis ady, the washer become loose & dancing, the metal rattling noise would make thing worse rclxms.gif For now, just go back to my mech & adjust henbrake, that will be next time when the brake start to make noise again icon_rolleyes.gif

On the side note, I think the brake thing really has to do with the driver. Numbnuts like me that always emergency brake tend to had it. Meanwhile, my colleague drove a FLX SE like makcik go pasar also kena blink.gif but the uncle at canteen driving a BLM like a lorry jual nasi lemak have no problem with his brake so far blink.gif 4 years now, 2nd set of brakepad. NEVER service at Plotong since new car. What can I say? If yong suey, be it Honga Aggord also got problem geh
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still the best comment/advice, davidke20.
conclude: the auto P must acts together with handbrake. cheers.
agree that if the core problem is the design of handbrake cable, most probably proton wont go for designing a new one to suit saga flx as designing could cost a lots. unless DRBHCOM want it solved or it simply cos by quality of the drumbrake.

want to know any of you face dashboard making noise problem other than drumbrake issue? this is another common problem to saga flx. (from my research: drumbrake and dashboard sound occur to many saga). sweat.gif
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post May 21 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(zamanjaafar @ May 21 2012, 01:22 PM)
well, almost 3 weeks using my 1.3 flx and so far so good.  but....

just one thing : sometimes when from P to R the gear stalk snaps in place proper, but the Reverse gear is not engaged.  When i release the brake and press the accelerator it goes forward, likely in neutral or forward, but not R.

After reset to P and then R for either once or twice, only then it reverse as usual
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i experienced the same on the R gear while i tested drive the saga few weeks back.
i was thought i didnt shift the gear nicely that time, while the salesperson touched the gear (not sure he re-shifted or wat), then only i can reversed the car.
now only i know this is also a problem to saga. sad.gif
zamanjaafar, was it happen most of the time or jz 1 or 2 times?
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post May 21 2012, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 21 2012, 01:46 PM)
Believe me, in Proton car, everything that can be dismantled. rotatable, open-able things will have possibility to vibrate and making noise, just depends on your luck.

This area including plastic door trim, dashboard, steering, center console, power windows, seats.....etc
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coolkwc, perhaps u mean everything. hahaha....
the dashboard problem is stated in "dares"'s blog: http://myflx.blogspot.com/.
but i jz aint sure whether the problem resolved...
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post May 21 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 21 2012, 02:14 PM)
Eh? that one turned out to be the exhaust ma, you refering to something else?
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hi dares, yes, it turn out exhaust problem as stated in ur blog but other also mentioning the dashboard sound which was your initial suspecting on something once upon a time.
may i know is the problem has been fully resolved by exchange the exhaust pipe?
can change at SC instead of COE? cos i stay in johor, no COE here.
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post May 21 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(mr_boonez @ May 21 2012, 04:32 PM)
guys,
my friend today just did 1st service his FLX at COE.. cost about rm180..
he said the SC pasang that magnet thing at oil filter..i think it's magsaver..

izzit worth it..can i ask the SA not to pasang that magnet if i go service my car there? that thing cost RM68!.. i wonder if it really have any effect..
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http://kereta.info/magsaver-neodymium-magn...inyak-magsaver/
the web said little impact on performance and not to the FC also.


Added on May 21, 2012, 5:01 pm
QUOTE(mr_boonez @ May 21 2012, 04:58 PM)
can we ask during service not to install that magnet thing?
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think they cant force customer to purchase products if customer doesnt agree to.

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post May 22 2012, 09:42 AM

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hi all, good morning.
want to know any idea where to get those historical interest rate for national car?
as i survey yesterday by calling to banks, technically most banks now offering relatively 3%+- for 5 / 7 / 9 yrs tenure.
is this consider low interest comparing to 5 years back? icon_question.gif
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post May 22 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 22 2012, 09:45 AM)
Off the top of my hear, I remember about just 1.5-2 years ago, when my friend bought her Viva with 7 year tenure - 4.1%.
For the Preve, someone has gotten as low as approx. 2.65%, I think. My Saga I got 2.94%, 6 months ago.
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preve definitely will enjoy lower interest compare to saga flx due to a higher price tag. 2.94% consider a good rate to me. mind to tell which bank is it?


QUOTE(mieza @ May 22 2012, 09:48 AM)
To me it is still high coz of living cost now different from 5years back.. Now gov encourage people to hav loan for long term coz it is easy to control them (work hard without knowing what happen surround you) sad.gif

Btw Muamalat bank offer 2.7%..
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Muamalat offers 2.7% for saga? really?
i got no idea abt islamic auto loan, islamic claims no interest but replace by admin (or else) charges to it. wats the difference?


by the way, i been calling MBB, PBB, HL (EON), AMMB, CIMB yesterday....
so far the LION offers relatively low rate around 2.95-2.99%.
anybody know what influence to the auto loan rate? i dont think it's coorelated to bank negara OPR rate cos OPR been standing still long time while auto loan up and down.
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post May 22 2012, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 22 2012, 10:20 AM)
1) I want to buy a car. Bank give me loan RM44,000. Bank give me interest RM13,200. So total I need to pay is RM57,200.

2) I want to buy a car. Bank buy the car RM44,000 and sell to me RM57,200. So total I need to pay is RM57,200.

See the different?

Btw the actual different is the source of money. Where the bank got money? In halal or haram ways.
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the last figure are the same. blush.gif
thank mieza provides a courtesy info here.
i called to justify, the rate offered by muamalat is 2.7% only!!!!
by giving the loan amount 44k with interest 2.7% & tenure 7 yrs. interest: $8316. installment: $623.
is my figure correct? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 22 2012, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 22 2012, 10:31 AM)
You're taking 100% loan?
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no, dares.
i m just taking mieza example amount 44k as illustration purposes.
muamalat said the minimum loan amount is 40k, with 2.7%, no matter tenure 5 / 7 / 9yrs. cheers.

is my installment figure wrong already? i calculate using calculator is 622 while i using online calculator is 575. blink.gif
http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/auto/a...calculator.aspx

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post May 22 2012, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 22 2012, 10:44 AM)
If conventional loan, early settlement got rebate, can reduce the future interest. Normally bank will charge u 1 time 3 months profit(interest only). For example if u have 3 years to go, suddenly boss gib u 10 years bonus & u wish to settle the car loan. 1 month instalment 623, principle 573, interest 50. 3 months profit meaning 150 to be paid in advance. The rest of the instalment are paid into principle for 573*36months.

Islamic loan is an AGREEABLE sales contract. Bank already sold you the car for that price, there is no way you can get discount even if u wish to settle it early.
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so the rebate in conventional loan is only applicable to full settlement? is advance payment will drag down the installment amount like mortgage flexi loan? tongue.gif
sorry for asking stupid question.
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post May 22 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(zamanjaafar @ May 22 2012, 10:54 AM)
i did some calculation before between 2.70 and 2.90 actually not much difference

the difference is more on the loan duration

for example, buy Saga 1.3 FLX with loan rm33000

(+figure in kurungan is the profit on top of our total loan)

if 2.90%

5 years
rm630/mth
total rm37785
(+rm4785)

7 years
rm472.61/month
totalĀ  rm39700
(+rm6700)

9 years
rm385.31/month
total rm41613
(+rm8613)

if 2.70%

5 years
rm624.25/month
total rm37455
(+rm4455)

7 years
rm467.11/month
total rm39237
(+rm6237.24)

9 years
rm379.81/month
total rm41019.48
(+rm 8019.48)
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as a savvy, every % count. mayb those couple hundred bucks not a big deal to u but we can use those $ on other thing.
as my research, current convential auto loan offered by mbb, pbb, ammb, HL (eon), the interest is now standing around 20% on the loan amount with 2.95-3% interest.
if taking muamalat into consideration with 2.7% interest, the total interest to loan amount easily drag down the % to below 20% of the loan amount. icon_idea.gif

example:
loan amount 40k.
MBB with 2.95% interest for 7yr loan = total interest 8260.
8260 / 40k x 100% = 20.65% (this is the profit margin for MBB bank).

Muamalat with 2.7% interest for 7 yrs loan = total interest 7560.
7560 / 40k x 100% = 18.9% (muamalat profit margin)

i take MBB as comparison to muamalat as i found MBB offers relatively lower rate compare to others big banks.
p/s i aint working with muamalat


Added on May 22, 2012, 11:15 am
QUOTE(dares @ May 22 2012, 10:44 AM)
FLX 1.3 Exec - RM45,211
D/P = RM4,500
Interest rateĀ  = 2.7% for 7 years
Monthly installment = RM 574.84
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hi dares, i am curious, is the current saga series has no color price range like last time?
solid color and metalic differ couple hundred bucks.
can i ask car dealer to insured lower insurance cover rate to lower my purchased price? tongue.gif

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post May 22 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 22 2012, 10:53 AM)
Actually Islamic loan also give rebate for early settlement..

Btw Islam do not allow anykind of riba like interest,bunga etc.. If you ask me, Islamic loan in Malaysia is NOT Islamic at all.. If gov really use Islam Laws, we will enjoy everything without interest smile.gif
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well all.
i called to confirmed that muamalat (islamic bank) does has rebates for early settlement as well.
and every extra payment to the monthly installment will be considered as advanced payment.
hence those advanced payment will contribute to shorten the tenure.
a shorten tenure leads to early settlement indirectly and at the end will have rebates on it. cool2.gif

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post May 22 2012, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 22 2012, 12:05 PM)
I read in some thread, a fella pay extra for a few months, then the bank call him to stop it. laugh.gif
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hahaha.... if lowyat forum got "like" feature, i'll like this. hahahaha.
i seen saga flx but unsure its 1.3 or 1.6, the dark red (unlike taxi taxi) looks very nice.
wat color is it? any idea?


Added on May 22, 2012, 12:24 pmi stay in a taman got a little hill up and down whenever i enter and exit the taman.
1. so the CVT will roar as the rpm rise when down sloping, right? is the cvt in proton acts the same way to those cvt in foreign car? (no offence, simply asking here).
2. will the SAT helps for a less roaring since is running regular auto transmission?

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